Donald Trump
Comments
-
And China.mickeyrat said:
comfort women in korea?mcgruff10 said:
Do you fully understand what the Japanese did to civilians? Read up on the Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 and let me know if you think they are still innocent.dignin said:
Would you think differently if the enemy had purposefully dropped bombs on your civilian family?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
If that doesn't fit the definition of atrocity I don't know what to tell you.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
eveywhere they had a presence I suspect.mcgruff10 said:
And China.mickeyrat said:
comfort women in korea?mcgruff10 said:
Do you fully understand what the Japanese did to civilians? Read up on the Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 and let me know if you think they are still innocent.dignin said:
Would you think differently if the enemy had purposefully dropped bombs on your civilian family?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
If that doesn't fit the definition of atrocity I don't know what to tell you.
_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
Japan somehow got a huge pass in the “pure evil” market that Germany and that Nazis got (deservedly so). Mainly due to the US bringing them into the fold to stop the spread of communism.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
-
Plus they made kick ass stereo receivers in the 60's and 70's, so that really changed people's attitudes. Once BMW started the M series, Americans forgot that they hated Germany.Jason P said:Japan somehow got a huge pass in the “pure evil” market that Germany and that Nazis got (deservedly so). Mainly due to the US bringing them into the fold to stop the spread of communism.
Perhaps I'm only speaking for myself.0 -
The Japanese did some real messed up stuff during world war 2 and it often gets overlooked because of the Holocaust.Jason P said:Japan somehow got a huge pass in the “pure evil” market that Germany and that Nazis got (deservedly so). Mainly due to the US bringing them into the fold to stop the spread of communism.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Easy for you to say considering your country was too cowardly to fight one of the evilest empires in world history, let me know when your country has the spine to step up to defeat evil, which will never happen, you could not even commit to war in your backyard...keep sticking to the we are neutral line. I am absolutely proud that Canada stepped and did its part to bring the Nazi's down...1.1 million Canadians served from a population of 13 million...Spiritual_Chaos said:
I'm tired of war. I want my brothers home.Meltdown99 said:
The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate. When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time. She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.
- How about we just slaughter ~250.000 civilians?
*brothers come home*Give Peas A Chance…0 -
mmm...I love a good nut shot.Meltdown99 said:
Easy for you to say considering your country was too cowardly to fight one of the evilest empires in world history, let me know when your country has the spine to step up to defeat evil, which will never happen, you could not even commit to war in your backyard...keep sticking to the we are neutral line. I am absolutely proud that Canada stepped and did its part to bring the Nazi's down...1.1 million Canadians served from a population of 13 million...Spiritual_Chaos said:
I'm tired of war. I want my brothers home.Meltdown99 said:
The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate. When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time. She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.
- How about we just slaughter ~250.000 civilians?
*brothers come home*
0 -
I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.mrussel1 said:
Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot. I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band. It's all so much fun.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.
I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.
I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.
Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things.
Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.
all good. Fridens liljor.
Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Nice strawman. I never once said the Japanese military were innocent. I know my history thanks.mcgruff10 said:
Do you fully understand what the Japanese did to civilians? Read up on the Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 and let me know if you think they are still innocent.dignin said:
Would you think differently if the enemy had purposefully dropped bombs on your civilian family?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
If that doesn't fit the definition of atrocity I don't know what to tell you.
You said dropping nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians was not an atrocity. You still stand by that? Because that was what we are discussing.
0 -
Yep, they're mine. What's yours is a surrender. Great job. Pat your grandparents on the back. If everyone took Sweden's position, what would Europe look like today?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.mrussel1 said:
Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot. I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band. It's all so much fun.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.
I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.
I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.
Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things.
Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.0 -
Japan doing shitty stuff =/= The US getting a A-OK in slaughtering 250.000 civilians"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
-
Do you have a few iron crosses in the attic as a thanks for helping transport munitions to the Eastern Front for the Nazis? That was very helpful, it more efficiently cleared the way for the Einsatzgruppen to do its dirty work.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.mrussel1 said:
Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot. I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band. It's all so much fun.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.
I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.
I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.
Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things.
Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.
all good. Fridens liljor.0 -
"Snus" would be legal in all countries, and not just Sweden as now:mrussel1 said:
Yep, they're mine. What's yours is a surrender. Great job. Pat your grandparents on the back. If everyone took Sweden's position, what would Europe look like today?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.mrussel1 said:
Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot. I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band. It's all so much fun.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.
I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.
I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.
Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things.
Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.
(Nice of you to pull n Sweden... when did this conversation be about Sweden? Or even the US taking part in WW2? You seem a bit hostile.)"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
They'd either be speaking German or Russian.mrussel1 said:
Yep, they're mine. What's yours is a surrender. Great job. Pat your grandparents on the back. If everyone took Sweden's position, what would Europe look like today?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.mrussel1 said:
Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot. I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band. It's all so much fun.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.
I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.
I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.
Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things.
Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Nice deflection.Spiritual_Chaos said:
"Snus" would be legal in all countries, and not just Sweden as now:mrussel1 said:
Yep, they're mine. What's yours is a surrender. Great job. Pat your grandparents on the back. If everyone took Sweden's position, what would Europe look like today?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.mrussel1 said:
Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot. I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band. It's all so much fun.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.
I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.
I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.
Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things.
Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.
(Nice of you to pull n Sweden... when did this conversation be about Sweden? Or even the US taking part in WW2? You seem a bit hostile.)0 -
Do you have jars of bones from children being burned alive by napalm in Vietnam in yours?mrussel1 said:
Do you have a few iron crosses in the attic as a thanks for helping transport munitions to the Eastern Front for the Nazis? That was very helpful, it more efficiently cleared the way for the Einsatzgruppen to do its dirty work.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.mrussel1 said:
Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot. I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band. It's all so much fun.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.
I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.
I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.
Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things.
Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.
all good. Fridens liljor."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
You re making illogical comparisons and it is pretty evident that you don't have an open mind at all nor understand the gravity of Japanese atrocities in World War 2. All you care about is showing how the United States is wrong in every situation. However in this situation the US was definitely right and to be honest your opinion means nothing since your chicken shit country did nothing to help out the rest of Europe in their time of need except help arm the Nazis. Nice work.Spiritual_Chaos said:Japan doing shitty stuff =/= The US getting a A-OK in slaughtering 250.000 civiliansI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I think we are. That is in a lot of ways we got to go on...I'm sure you or McGruff will correct me, but I believe the US figured casualties would be in and around a million...so your grandfather's assertion is likely correct. That is good that he got home and hopefully lived a really good life. All Uncles got home safely...and all of them lived into their 70' and 80's. I got an Uncle (Dad's brother) that served in the US Navy, never did get the story as to why...as you know, most war vets say very little...mrussel1 said:
I think we're on the same page here. My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine. He would have definitely been part of the invasion force. He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland. He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.Meltdown99 said:
The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate. When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time. She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.
My Mom's 2 brothers were to be re-deployed the Pacific operations, which never did happen because of the bomb.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Have I in this discussion put forth an opinion about Sweden or the US joining/not joining WW2?mrussel1 said:
Nice deflection.Spiritual_Chaos said:
"Snus" would be legal in all countries, and not just Sweden as now:mrussel1 said:
Yep, they're mine. What's yours is a surrender. Great job. Pat your grandparents on the back. If everyone took Sweden's position, what would Europe look like today?Spiritual_Chaos said:
I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.mrussel1 said:
Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot. I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band. It's all so much fun.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?mrussel1 said:
Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans. Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty. He was against the War Guilt clause specifically. Try again.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.mcgruff10 said:
Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland. At that point Japan had already killed millions.Spiritual_Chaos said:
In what way did the Japanese start WW2?mcgruff10 said:
Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this? They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?dignin said:
You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War.
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings. Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.
Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika.
Hehe.
Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.
"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors".
No need to kill all the fun.
I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.
I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.
I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.
Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things.
Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.
(Nice of you to pull n Sweden... when did this conversation be about Sweden? Or even the US taking part in WW2? You seem a bit hostile.)
mr whatsaboutism"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Estimates were definitely in the millions and the war would have went on for a few more years. Yes the US killed hundreds of thousands in the atomic bomb droppings but millions more would have died on both sides. Crazy thing is that the Japanese still didn't want to surrender after the second bomb,. I have read countless accounts of soldiers on both sides that didn't believe that the Japanese surrendered.Meltdown99 said:
I think we are. That is in a lot of ways we got to go on...I'm sure you or McGruff will correct me, but I believe the US figured casualties would be in and around a million...so your grandfather's assertion is likely correct. That is good that he got home and hopefully lived a really good life. All Uncles got home safely...and all of them lived into their 70' and 80's. I got an Uncle (Dad's brother) that served in the US Navy, never did get the story as to why...as you know, most war vets say very little...mrussel1 said:
I think we're on the same page here. My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine. He would have definitely been part of the invasion force. He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland. He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.Meltdown99 said:
The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate. When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.mcgruff10 said:
I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up. I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2. Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etcMeltdown99 said:
The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well. I am not going to debate it either. Because there is nothing to debate...mcgruff10 said:
Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this. I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt. however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.Meltdown99 said:
If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US. Why is that so hard for you to see. By the way, WW2 is over. Japan is a good friend of the west. Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...mcgruff10 said:
My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time. She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.
My Mom's 2 brothers were to be re-deployed the Pacific operations, which never did happen because of the bomb.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 149K Pearl Jam's Music and Activism
- 110.1K The Porch
- 278 Vitalogy
- 35.1K Given To Fly (live)
- 3.5K Words and Music...Communication
- 39.2K Flea Market
- 39.2K Lost Dogs
- 58.7K Not Pearl Jam's Music
- 10.6K Musicians and Gearheads
- 29.1K Other Music
- 17.8K Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
- 1.1K The Art Wall
- 56.8K Non-Pearl Jam Discussion
- 22.2K A Moving Train
- 31.7K All Encompassing Trip
- 2.9K Technical Stuff and Help