Donald Trump

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

Would you think differently if the enemy had purposefully dropped bombs on your civilian family?

If that doesn't fit the definition of atrocity I don't know what to tell you.

Do you fully understand what the Japanese did to civilians?  Read up on the Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 and let me know if you think they are still innocent.  

comfort women in korea?

And China.

eveywhere they had a presence I suspect.

Jason P said:

Japan somehow got a huge pass in the “pure evil” market that Germany and that Nazis got (deservedly so).  Mainly due to the US bringing them into the fold to stop the spread of communism.  

Plus they made kick ass stereo receivers in the 60's and 70's, so that really changed people's attitudes.  Once BMW started the M series, Americans forgot that they hated Germany.  
Perhaps I'm only speaking for myself.  

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  

I'm tired of war. I want my brothers home.
- How about we just slaughter ~250.000 civilians?



*brothers come home* 

Easy for you to say considering your country was too cowardly to fight one of the evilest empires in world history, let me know when your country has the spine to step up to defeat evil, which will never happen, you could not even commit to war in your backyard...keep sticking to the we are neutral line.  I am absolutely proud that Canada stepped and did its part to bring the Nazi's down...1.1 million Canadians served from a population of 13 million...

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

In what way did the Japanese start WW2?

Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika. 

Hehe.

Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor.  A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.  At that point Japan had already killed millions.  

Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.

Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.

Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans.  Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty.  He was against the War Guilt clause specifically.  Try again.  

Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?

"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors". 

No need to kill all the fun.

I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.

Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot.  I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band.  It's all so much fun.  

I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.

I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.

I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.

Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things. 

Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.

all good. Fridens liljor.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

In what way did the Japanese start WW2?

Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika. 

Hehe.

Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor.  A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.  At that point Japan had already killed millions.  

Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.

Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.

Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans.  Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty.  He was against the War Guilt clause specifically.  Try again.  

Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?

"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors". 

No need to kill all the fun.

I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.

Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot.  I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band.  It's all so much fun.  

I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.

I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.

I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.

Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things. 

Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.

Yep, they're mine.  What's yours is a surrender.  Great job.  Pat your grandparents on the back.  If everyone took Sweden's position, what would Europe look like today?  

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

In what way did the Japanese start WW2?

Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika. 

Hehe.

Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor.  A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.  At that point Japan had already killed millions.  

Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.

Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.

Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans.  Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty.  He was against the War Guilt clause specifically.  Try again.  

Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?

"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors". 

No need to kill all the fun.

I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.

Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot.  I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band.  It's all so much fun.  

I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.

I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.

I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.

Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things. 

Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.

all good. Fridens liljor.

Do you have a few iron crosses in the attic as a thanks for helping transport munitions to the Eastern Front for the Nazis?  That was very helpful, it more efficiently cleared the way for the Einsatzgruppen to do its dirty work.  

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

In what way did the Japanese start WW2?

Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika. 

Hehe.

Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor.  A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.  At that point Japan had already killed millions.  

Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.

Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.

Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans.  Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty.  He was against the War Guilt clause specifically.  Try again.  

Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?

"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors". 

No need to kill all the fun.

I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.

Haha, blaming the US for starting the worst war in history, one which many of our family members were affected by directly, is a real riot.  I can never get enough of you trashing the US while you are on a US website dedicated to a US band.  It's all so much fun.  

I guess you see some point in some way of branding the band in this nationalistic thing of yours.

I see them as Pearl Jam. Not the olympic team of musicians from the USA.

I also do not really care what country the server is where this website is being stored. I also do not have problem with a great band being from the US. Or the five of my five favorite movies. Or a copywriter named Bob I worked with once. But I guess you see it in a different way.

Also, I have not blamed the US for starting WW2. You have a problem understanding text and the different uses of it. Subtext. Sarcasm. Witty-ness. Those kind of things. 

Your family members being affected by WW2 concerns me not in the context of my comment. And should not.

all good. Fridens liljor.

Do you have a few iron crosses in the attic as a thanks for helping transport munitions to the Eastern Front for the Nazis?  That was very helpful, it more efficiently cleared the way for the Einsatzgruppen to do its dirty work.  

Do you have jars of bones from children being burned alive by napalm in Vietnam in yours?

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  

I think we're on the same page here.  My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine.  He would have definitely been part of the invasion force.  He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland.  He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.  

I think we are.  That is in a lot of ways we got to go on...I'm sure you or McGruff will correct me, but I believe the US figured casualties would be in and around a million...so your grandfather's assertion is likely correct.  That is good that he got home and hopefully lived a really good life.  All Uncles got home safely...and all of them lived into their 70' and 80's.  I got an Uncle (Dad's brother) that served in the US Navy, never did get the story as to why...as you know, most war vets say very little...

My Mom's 2 brothers were to be re-deployed the Pacific operations, which never did happen because of the bomb.