Donald Trump

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

What if the Vietnamese who were tired of their uncles being sent to the war dropped two nuclear bombs on Boston and New York to end it?

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

What if the Vietnamese who were tired of their uncles being sent to the war dropped two nuclear bombs on Boston and New York to end it?

That's honestly a silly analogy for so many reasons.  First off, the Japanese were fighting a war of aggression that they started in the entire region.  

I'd say not stopping a war to stay in office feels kind of aggressive too.

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  

I think we're on the same page here.  My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine.  He would have definitely been part of the invasion force.  He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland.  He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.  

Yeah my grandfather had just fought the Nazis and was training for the invasion of Japan. No way he was coming home alive. 
Was your grandfather wounded in those battles?

My uncle, not grandfather.  My GF was a soldier in the Polish-Ukrainian war.  My uncle George was a marine.  Interestingly, he went missing (or lost I suppose) on an island and was declared dead to his family.  Then he was found and got right back into the action as it moved closer to Japan.  My other uncle was captured at the Battle of the Bulge and spent the rest of the war in a stalag.  

Wow that's crazy.  My grandfather was also at the Battle of the Bulge, who knows the two of them could have known one another.  

He was 99th Infantry.  I believe that was a Bragg unit.  They were right on the front lines in Belgium and took the brunt of the offensive.  

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

The dropping of the bomb will always be up for a debate.  When it comes to the dropping of the bomb, I always side with my mother's opinion.

My mother had 2 brothers who were in Europe at the time.   She always said people were tired of war, herself included, and she wanted her brothers home safe...both served multiple years in Europe as most did.  

I think we're on the same page here.  My uncle was an island hopper, grunt marine.  He would have definitely been part of the invasion force.  He told me he would have never come home had he invaded the mainland.  He had already been through Tarawa and Okinawa, among other stops.  

Yeah my grandfather had just fought the Nazis and was training for the invasion of Japan. No way he was coming home alive. 
Was your grandfather wounded in those battles?

My uncle, not grandfather.  My GF was a soldier in the Polish-Ukrainian war.  My uncle George was a marine.  Interestingly, he went missing (or lost I suppose) on an island and was declared dead to his family.  Then he was found and got right back into the action as it moved closer to Japan.  My other uncle was captured at the Battle of the Bulge and spent the rest of the war in a stalag.  

Wow that's crazy.  My grandfather was also at the Battle of the Bulge, who knows the two of them could have known one another.  

He was 99th Infantry.  I believe that was a Bragg unit.  They were right on the front lines in Belgium and took the brunt of the offensive.  

My grandfather was in Bastogne so he was with the 101st.  I don't know much about what he did since he passed away when I was in second grade.  

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

In what way did the Japanese start WW2?

Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika. 

Hehe.

Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor.  A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.  At that point Japan had already killed millions.  

Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.

Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

In what way did the Japanese start WW2?

Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika. 

Hehe.

Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor.  A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.  At that point Japan had already killed millions.  

Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.

Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.

Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans.  Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty.  He was against the War Guilt clause specifically.  Try again.  

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

In what way did the Japanese start WW2?

Hitler rushed to get his army ready after he surprisingly heard on the radio about the Pearl Harbour attack? "Hurry up with the jew-hating leaflets" people heard him yell while running into his study to design the swastika. 

Hehe.

Um, they invaded China in the 1930's and then attacked the US at Pearl Harbor.  A lot of scholars argue that the war started here although the official start of World War 2 was on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.  At that point Japan had already killed millions.  

Scholars also say, the winning team after WW1 started WW2 by putting Germany in a position where Hitler-labeled nationalism had soil to grow. That was in the 10s.

Check-mate Japan. Now the US started WW2.

Doh...except England and France were the forces behind the Treaty of Versailles, not the Americans.  Wilson wanted the Fourteen Points to be the basis of the treaty.  He was against the War Guilt clause specifically.  Try again.  

Without the punchline "Now the US started WW2.", how would the point of my comment come across as lovingly?

"Check-mate Japan. Now France, and England and a bunch of other countries - including the US - lay a foundation through their peace terms for the possibility of the Germany people to accept authoritarianism which you can see as a thread leading up Germany attacking it's neighbors". 

No need to kill all the fun.

I stand by my comment. Among a bunch of stiffs.

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Smellyman said:

mcgruff10 said:

I wonder if our president is taking his own advice:

If American Presidents discussed American atrocities they'd have a lot of 'splainin to do

What part of Pearl Harbor was an America atrocity?

If the US President's want to bring up wrongdoing by other countries towards the US, then the line of other countries that have grievances against the US would be very extensive and the atrocities committed by the US towards other countries far outweigh any atrocities committed against the US.  Why is that so hard for you to see.  By the way, WW2 is over.  Japan is a good friend of the west.  Trump is a fucking idiot for bringing up that attack...

Dissagree but I am definitely not debating this.  I didn’t realize world war 2 was over, thanks for letting me know Capt.  however I am still wondering what part of Pearl Harbor is an American atrocity.  

The original post that started this conversation was referring to atrocities committed by the US towards other countries. In the case of Japan specifically, some might say dropping 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, were atrocities as well.  I am not going to debate it either.  Because there is nothing to debate...

I don't think dropping two nuclear bombs was an atrocity, to me it was the way to end the war against an enemy that wouldn't give up.  I definitely think Japan out atrocitied (word? lol) us during World War 2.  Rape of Nanking, treatment of prisoners of war....etc

You might think differently if it was Japan who had dropped nuclear bombs on two American cities to end the war.

Not to mention the firebombing of Japanese civilians throughout the war. Maybe check out the doc The Fog Of War. 

Are you trying to imply that Japan was innocent in this?  They started world war 2, what did you want the us to do?
I know all about the firebombings and how more people were killed in those bombings than in the nuclear bomb droppings.  Even with all those people dying in the firebombings Japan still didn’t surrender.  

Would you think differently if the enemy had purposefully dropped bombs on your civilian family?

If that doesn't fit the definition of atrocity I don't know what to tell you.