14 years and counting...

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Some info on ongoing family separations:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/02/border-family-separations-trump-administration-border-patrol/3563990002/

Ugh...I just don't see the logic in separating children from their parents. Detain them together, deport them together. 

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

Every administration in the last 40 years is responsible. None of them have been successful is slowing down the problem. 

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

Every administration in the last 40 years is responsible. None of them have been successful is slowing down the problem. 

I don't think that's true. There have been ebbs and flows. But no administration has went out of their way to make a problem at the border get worse for political purposes, except this one, which has been well documented.

This isn't a situation as they are all bad so this President gets a pass. This one is by far the worst.