14 years and counting...

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Some info on ongoing family separations:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/02/border-family-separations-trump-administration-border-patrol/3563990002/

Ugh...I just don't see the logic in separating children from their parents. Detain them together, deport them together. 

The prison industrial complex political benefactor require payback.
 

oftenreading

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

PJPOWER

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

oftenreading

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

Certainly not as much discussion, but I do see articles about it. The numbers have gone down, and I suspect that most people, like you, thought it wasn't occurring any more. 

dignin

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

PJPOWER

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The Juggler

Funny to see Trump admit he's not building any new all but just renovating the current one this morning...I wonder if he even realizes what he tweeted

josevolution

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-05-21/federal-wall-funding-of-1-57-billion-yields-1-7-miles-of-fence
Here’s our tax $ at work man with such great progress it should be done in 2040

dignin

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

PJPOWER

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

“Your boys”...lol, I guess i’ll claim too tired to respond now too.
But I am with you on holding administrations accountable to get some reform of the immigration system, just haven’t seen many good ideas.

josevolution

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1131331255683997697?s=21
6th child died back in sept 2018 I guess never reported damn not sure what can be said anymore..

cincybearcat

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

I think it’s absolutely that the current admin does not have a holistic plan. I think it’s absolutely true that the Republican Party does not have a holistic plan. I and believe it’s also true that the democrats do not really have a holistic plan and the willingness to actually do it when they have power. That said - this admins approach has been awful, so despite me having about 0% faith that anyone on the democrat side has the plan and fortitude to actually do something, it’s better than what we got right now.

mace1229

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

Every administration in the last 40 years is responsible. None of them have been successful is slowing down the problem. 

dignin

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

Every administration in the last 40 years is responsible. None of them have been successful is slowing down the problem. 

I don't think that's true. There have been ebbs and flows. But no administration has went out of their way to make a problem at the border get worse for political purposes, except this one, which has been well documented.

This isn't a situation as they are all bad so this President gets a pass. This one is by far the worst.

josevolution

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

Every administration in the last 40 years is responsible. None of them have been successful is slowing down the problem. 

I don't think that's true. There have been ebbs and flows. But no administration has went out of their way to make a problem at the border get worse for political purposes, except this one, which has been well documented.

This isn't a situation as they are all bad so this President gets a pass. This one is by far the worst.

💯 % agreed 

Halifax2TheMax

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

Every administration in the last 40 years is responsible. None of them have been successful is slowing down the problem. 

I don't think that's true. There have been ebbs and flows. But no administration has went out of their way to make a problem at the border get worse for political purposes, except this one, which has been well documented.

This isn't a situation as they are all bad so this President gets a pass. This one is by far the worst.

Particularly in light of Team Trump Treason running on the issue, demonizing immigrants and pronouncing the wall as the only viable solution to stem the flow he created and even with both houses of Congress for his first two years, couldn’t get anything done other than shutting down the gubmint, stealing money from other agencies to pay for repairs and renovations to existing barriers and not build a damn thing. The emperor has no clothes.                                                             

                                      

josevolution

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1131938441032343552?s=21
Great care these kids receive in America ha ...

josevolution

https://www.newsweek.com/senator-lindsey-graham-roll-out-new-bill-allowing-detention-migrant-children-1425086
Now we have this vile human trampling the immigrants yet yet he will vote to ban abortions! 

The Juggler

mace1229 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

josevolution said:

mattsl1983 said:

I’m not exactly sure of the point of this topic. Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal immigration?  There is a huge difference.  Immigration itself can’t be lumped into one broad post without defining what immigration you are asking about.  That is if you are interested in actually talking about issues and problems.

What ? Yes we all know immigration needs reform ! Are you ok with kids dying in captivity? Are you ok with kids sleeping on the ground with tin foil blankets etc etc are you ok with separating kids from parents? All easy ?s you are either ok with it or your not ..

There's currently like 52,000 migrants in "captivity." I put captivity in quotations because...are they "captured?" Or are they allowed to turn and go back? I ask that seriously because I don't know the answer. And nobody wants to see kids sleeping on the ground in tin foil blankets. But what is the US government to do? Give immediate free room and board to every migrant seeking asylum? They can't do that. But the migrants keep coming and coming. And now there's no room for them all, and that's why there are pictures of kids sleeping on ground.

The separation of kids and families is moronic. I don't think they're doing that anymore (though I'm not sure), but the damage is already done. Many of those kids that were separated from their families around the time of the mid-term election will never see their families again. That's horrible.

Children are still being separated from their families. The Trump administration is exploiting loopholes that were meant to be for rare circumstances. Is anyone surprised?

I am actually a little surprised. I thought there might be enough of a humanitarian outcry/backlash that they'd stop doing this, if for no other reason, political points. 

If you read the article, you can see that Nielsen reports that they stopped doing it because there was no political percentage in it; not because it was vile and inhumane, but because it wasn't politically useful. And yet, the practice continues, under the guise of "protecting children". 

And that’s unsurprising part: that they don’t give a fuck if it doesn’t hurt then politically. Where has all the outcry gone? The left was up in arms about the family separations during the mid-terms, but I haven’t heard much since.

I’m guessing “the left” doesn’t have much in the way of an alternative plan?

The left is getting exhausted trying to make the right do the right thing.

It might be the time for Trump voters such as yourself to try and hold your representatives to account. That might actually do something, they sure don't give a fuck what anyone on the left thinks.

So...what is “the left’s” alternative “right” plan regarding immigration reform?  Your retort is that the left is tired?  Really?

The left has offered plenty of plans for immigration reform, some of it bi-partisan (Flake and others). 

Your boys McConnell and Trump have no interest to getting a deal done as shown by their actions.

This is a manufactured crisis by design, as has been shown here on this thread many times. Maybe you just aren't paying attention?

So, are you with me in holding the current administrations feet to the fire? They've had 2+ years to fix this problem and its only gotten exponentially worse. 

Every administration in the last 40 years is responsible. None of them have been successful is slowing down the problem. 

Immigration flow was decreasing for the last decade prior to the last couple years. Pretty ironic....