Canadian Politics Redux

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    A more accurate representation of how things went down with the Normal case.

    https://www.timescolonist.com/you-are-free-to-leave-how-the-case-against-mark-norman-ended-1.23816275

    OTTAWA — Vice-Admiral Mark Norman had walked up to the entrance of the Ottawa courthouse dozens of previous times over the past year, yet this time was different: This would be the last time.

    Like on all those other occasions, the military's former second-in-command was dressed in full uniform as he approached the courthouse's heavy glass doors with his wife Beverly and lawyers Marie Henein and Christine Mainville.

    Just outside the doors, he was greeted by an unexpected supporter: outgoing Liberal MP and former lieutenant-general Andrew Leslie, who was revealed just last week as a potential defence witness.

    "General," Norman said. "Good morning. Good to see you."

    "Morning, Admiral," Leslie replied, shaking Norman's hand and giving him a brief embrace.

    Courtroom 37 was already packed with journalists, supporters and a group of students by the time Norman and his team arrived and took their seats near the front. A few minutes later, everyone stood as Justice Heather Perkins-McVey entered.

    And then federal Crown prosecutor Barbara Mercier stood and delivered a history lesson about the case.

    How it all started with "obvious leaks to the media" about a cabinet decision in November 2015, delaying sole-source contract with Quebec-based Davie Shipbuilding for an interim support ship for the navy.

    How those leaks "really had serious effects and it did cause concern for the government," which prompted an internal probe, which led to an RCMP investigation that included interviews with 30 witnesses.

    How the Public Prosecution Service of Canada "did a thorough analysis of the evidence and the law" and made a "considered decision to lay the charge of breach-of-trust against Vice-Admiral Mark Norman" in March 2018.

    How prosecutors believed then that they had a reasonable prospect of conviction, even though the bar for proving without a reasonable doubt any crime has occurred is "rightfully high," and is even higher with breach of trust.

    And then, Mercier continued, how Norman's lawyers came forward with "a volume of information" in March that "provided greater context to the conduct of Vice-Admiral Norman" and revealed "a number of complexities in the process."

    "Based on new information, we have come to the conclusion that given the particular situation involving Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, there is no reasonable prospect of conviction," Mercier concluded.

    "It continues to be our view that some of Vice-Admiral Norman's actions were ... secretive and inappropriate," she added. "However, inappropriate does not mean criminal."

    Then it was Henein's turn. This decision, to stay the proceedings, was months in the making, Henein said, and a demonstration of Crown prosecutors' having "acted in the highest traditions of the bar."

    "There has not been a day that Vice-Admiral Norman has walked into this court that we did not have the utmost confidence that this court would be impartial," she added, before noting that the case had been exhausting for her, for Norman and for his family.

    Nonetheless, "we were prepared to fight to the end," Henein said. "He did nothing inappropriate. He did nothing criminal."

    And then, after many months of silence, it was Norman's turn to rise and address the court. His comments focused on thanking Perkins-McVey and the court staff.

    "My only regret," he told the judge, "is that we would have met under different circumstances."

    Perkins-McVey was the last to speak, and she reflected on how only the day before, she had received yet another package of documents from the government to review and decide whether they were relevant to the case and should be released.

    "I know that all counsel have worked very hard to get to the point and that this decision was made after much reflection and consideration," she said.

    "Vice-Admiral Norman, you entered a plea of not guilty. You are presumed to be innocent and you remain so. You are free to leave."


    As an interesting aside, it appears that all of the primary officials of the court and legal system in this case are women - judge, Crown, and defense. 

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    edited May 2019
    Literally no one with a brain in BC could possible be surprised by this. And we all know we have the BC Liberals to thank for it, since they just sat back and knowingly let it happen over the 16 straight years they were in power (I'm sure some also actually profited from it). Vancouver is literally the money laundering capital of the world (mainly used by China, and yes, the Chinese government has involvement as well).

    Report finds $5B laundered through B.C. real estate in 2018






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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Veterans Affairs bungles VE-Day video by showing Nazis
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-affairs-nazis-video-ve-day-1.5130515

    Walter Dorn, a professor of defence studies at the Canadian Forces College and at the Royal Military College told CBC News it's unclear if there are any Canadian troops in the footage. 

    "Some of the images show German uniforms," Dorn said. "What's most notable is the eagle just above a Nazi symbol worn just above the right brevet."


    My gosh...what an insult...
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Maybe Trudeau has a problem with female lawyers...


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Maybe Trudeau has a problem with female lawyers...


    Huh. Seems like the last time you commented on lawyers, they were all the scum of the earth. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739


    LOL...that is a pretty damn good insult...
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Maybe Trudeau has a problem with female lawyers...


    Huh. Seems like the last time you commented on lawyers, they were all the scum of the earth. 
    And guess what, my opinion hasn't changed about lawyers...but unfortunately, at some point, most of us need a lawyer at some point...still does not mean what his particular lawyer said wasn't the truth...but still these lawyers billed us for 500 grand...and if the other side was playing fairly and turned over the requested documents this likely would have never gotten this far.

    Now take for the example of Guy Paul Morin a working stiff who paid 100 of thousands in legal fees to prove his innocence.  Just because I agreed with a particular statement from a lawyer does not mean I support the profession and their greedy ways...


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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Maybe Trudeau has a problem with female lawyers...


    Huh. Seems like the last time you commented on lawyers, they were all the scum of the earth. 
    Do you question every poster intentions on here, with what you perceive as a misstep to try to corner people...or is it just me?  Because you are a real piece of work in my eyes...
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    And I'm sure your gang of buddies will be here to defend you Monday...
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Maybe Trudeau has a problem with female lawyers...


    Huh. Seems like the last time you commented on lawyers, they were all the scum of the earth. 
    Do you question every poster intentions on here, with what you perceive as a misstep to try to corner people...or is it just me?  Because you are a real piece of work in my eyes...
    I generally respond to posts that I think display misinformation, untruths or ignorance. If you are paying attention on this board, you will see that your posts are not the only ones I comment on. However, it’s interesting that you seem to believe you’re being singled out. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856


    LOL...that is a pretty damn good insult...
    So, now we’re laughing at the developmentally disabled?
     
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Maybe Trudeau has a problem with female lawyers...


    Huh. Seems like the last time you commented on lawyers, they were all the scum of the earth. 
    Do you question every poster intentions on here, with what you perceive as a misstep to try to corner people...or is it just me?  Because you are a real piece of work in my eyes...
    And lay off the personal insults. I’ve never insulted you but you seem to feel justified in insulting me. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739


    Pretty sad that he treated a 38 year Canadian forces veteran without an apology...but hands a terrorist 10.5 million. 
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  • Meltdown99
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    The Crime Minister strikes again...

    Roy Green: Is Vice-Admiral Mark Norman a victim of a petty streak of anger?

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5262361/roy-green-is-vice-admiral-mark-norman-a-victim-of-a-petty-streak-of-anger/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalToronto&fbclid=IwAR0LMvKIgMv2JRTY4hHNaCJXRbr1sxQGavf_OU8OBfTg5QcRxZchPMAnRSs

    Specifically, in 2017, Trudeau’s words were that the matter would “likely end up before the courts.” In February 2018, the prime minister of Canada spoke with even greater conviction. Norman’s case would “inevitably” lead to “court processes.”

    What makes these statements by Trudeau particularly relevant is that Norman was not criminally charged until March of 2018.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
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  • erebus
    erebus Posts: 618
    Have not heard a peep from the NDP or Scheer and apparently he is on tour

    would be interested to hear their actual platforms and solutions as opposed to just Liberal bashing. The Democrats in the US are making the same mistake against Trump

    i want to hear your (political leaders) ideas, not what is wrong with the other person
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,758
    edited May 2019
    All they've got is liberal bashing. No facts needed. And it's working. Canadians are the new Americans as far as politics go.
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