The Evolution of Handwriting

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?

Because boomers are the best and we changed the world and everyone else SUCKS!

Oh, alright... I'll concede your point.  Truth is, "We're all bozos on the bus".   

OK, but seriously, to me it's not a clear cut generational thing, it's more a continuum that has taken place over the entire era that began with the industrial revolution.  During that time, people in developed countries have gradually and continually been losing the ability to perform basic skills with decreasing efficiency and fewer aesthetically pleasing results.  This, I truly believe.

You’re right we are getting further and further away from knowing basic skills.  I will also add that people are becoming way too dependent on the government for their existence. For fuck sake’s people are wanting universal basic income because they somehow think that there will be no jobs in five years.

I agree, but even more, I'd say people are becoming WAY to dependent on their electronics.  Almost everything is run by a computer of some sort and when the power goes down many people are basically helpless, like they themselves have been unplugged.  I don't think this is going to turn out well. And that means me too.  Without power, I cannot do the on-line portion of my book business.

I believe that people will actually adjust pretty quickly if the power actually goes out for an extended period of time (or indefinitely!). When everyone knows the power is going to come back on in hours or a couple of days, it really sucks and they are just waiting anxiously. But if some cataclysmic happens so that power is actually gone for good or more than a week or something, I believe that people are pretty damned adaptable when push comes to shove. Obviously in this scenario we'd all be dealing with the breakdown of society in general, because the financial system would collapse... But I don't think people would be "lost" for very long because they can't watch TV or surf the web or use electric lights. They'd go into survival mode pretty quick for the most part IMO, rather than curling into a ball. Everything would change.

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?

Because boomers are the best and we changed the world and everyone else SUCKS!

Oh, alright... I'll concede your point.  Truth is, "We're all bozos on the bus".   

OK, but seriously, to me it's not a clear cut generational thing, it's more a continuum that has taken place over the entire era that began with the industrial revolution.  During that time, people in developed countries have gradually and continually been losing the ability to perform basic skills with decreasing efficiency and fewer aesthetically pleasing results.  This, I truly believe.

You’re right we are getting further and further away from knowing basic skills.  I will also add that people are becoming way too dependent on the government for their existence. For fuck sake’s people are wanting universal basic income because they somehow think that there will be no jobs in five years.

I agree, but even more, I'd say people are becoming WAY to dependent on their electronics.  Almost everything is run by a computer of some sort and when the power goes down many people are basically helpless, like they themselves have been unplugged.  I don't think this is going to turn out well. And that means me too.  Without power, I cannot do the on-line portion of my book business.

I believe that people will actually adjust pretty quickly if the power actually goes out for an extended period of time (or indefinitely!). When everyone knows the power is going to come back on in hours or a couple of days, it really sucks and they are just waiting anxiously. But if some cataclysmic happens so that power is actually gone for good or more than a week or something, I believe that people are pretty damned adaptable when push comes to shove. Obviously in this scenario we'd all be dealing with the breakdown of society in general, because the financial system would collapse... But I don't think people would be "lost" for very long because they can't watch TV or surf the web or use electric lights. They'd go into survival mode pretty quick for the most part IMO, rather than curling into a ball. Everything would change.

Sure, I agree, if you are talking about like a quarter of the population.  At most.
If the power is truly out, and society really breaks down...yeah, 9 out of 10 people are going to perish in the first 5 years.  
Most people wouldn't make it out of a major metro, they would be trapped and fall prey to depravity.  What are people going to eat?  I would struggle mightily to eat and I have a farm.
Canned goods are gone in the first few weeks, dried provisions in the first few months. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?

Because boomers are the best and we changed the world and everyone else SUCKS!

Oh, alright... I'll concede your point.  Truth is, "We're all bozos on the bus".   

OK, but seriously, to me it's not a clear cut generational thing, it's more a continuum that has taken place over the entire era that began with the industrial revolution.  During that time, people in developed countries have gradually and continually been losing the ability to perform basic skills with decreasing efficiency and fewer aesthetically pleasing results.  This, I truly believe.

You’re right we are getting further and further away from knowing basic skills.  I will also add that people are becoming way too dependent on the government for their existence. For fuck sake’s people are wanting universal basic income because they somehow think that there will be no jobs in five years.

I agree, but even more, I'd say people are becoming WAY to dependent on their electronics.  Almost everything is run by a computer of some sort and when the power goes down many people are basically helpless, like they themselves have been unplugged.  I don't think this is going to turn out well. And that means me too.  Without power, I cannot do the on-line portion of my book business.

I believe that people will actually adjust pretty quickly if the power actually goes out for an extended period of time (or indefinitely!). When everyone knows the power is going to come back on in hours or a couple of days, it really sucks and they are just waiting anxiously. But if some cataclysmic happens so that power is actually gone for good or more than a week or something, I believe that people are pretty damned adaptable when push comes to shove. Obviously in this scenario we'd all be dealing with the breakdown of society in general, because the financial system would collapse... But I don't think people would be "lost" for very long because they can't watch TV or surf the web or use electric lights. They'd go into survival mode pretty quick for the most part IMO, rather than curling into a ball. Everything would change.

Sure, I agree, if you are talking about like a quarter of the population.  At most.
If the power is truly out, and society really breaks down...yeah, 9 out of 10 people are going to perish in the first 5 years.  
Most people wouldn't make it out of a major metro, they would be trapped and fall prey to depravity.  What are people going to eat?  I would struggle mightily to eat and I have a farm.
Canned goods are gone in the first few weeks, dried provisions in the first few months. 

yeah, but this has nothing to do with modern electronics. the type of person that can survive after an earth altering event mostly died long before we even had tv. 

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?

Because boomers are the best and we changed the world and everyone else SUCKS!

Oh, alright... I'll concede your point.  Truth is, "We're all bozos on the bus".   

OK, but seriously, to me it's not a clear cut generational thing, it's more a continuum that has taken place over the entire era that began with the industrial revolution.  During that time, people in developed countries have gradually and continually been losing the ability to perform basic skills with decreasing efficiency and fewer aesthetically pleasing results.  This, I truly believe.

You’re right we are getting further and further away from knowing basic skills.  I will also add that people are becoming way too dependent on the government for their existence. For fuck sake’s people are wanting universal basic income because they somehow think that there will be no jobs in five years.

I agree, but even more, I'd say people are becoming WAY to dependent on their electronics.  Almost everything is run by a computer of some sort and when the power goes down many people are basically helpless, like they themselves have been unplugged.  I don't think this is going to turn out well. And that means me too.  Without power, I cannot do the on-line portion of my book business.

I believe that people will actually adjust pretty quickly if the power actually goes out for an extended period of time (or indefinitely!). When everyone knows the power is going to come back on in hours or a couple of days, it really sucks and they are just waiting anxiously. But if some cataclysmic happens so that power is actually gone for good or more than a week or something, I believe that people are pretty damned adaptable when push comes to shove. Obviously in this scenario we'd all be dealing with the breakdown of society in general, because the financial system would collapse... But I don't think people would be "lost" for very long because they can't watch TV or surf the web or use electric lights. They'd go into survival mode pretty quick for the most part IMO, rather than curling into a ball. Everything would change.

Sure, I agree, if you are talking about like a quarter of the population.  At most.
If the power is truly out, and society really breaks down...yeah, 9 out of 10 people are going to perish in the first 5 years.  
Most people wouldn't make it out of a major metro, they would be trapped and fall prey to depravity.  What are people going to eat?  I would struggle mightily to eat and I have a farm.
Canned goods are gone in the first few weeks, dried provisions in the first few months. 

Yes, like I said, society would collapse. I was just talking about how people would adapt specifically to having no electronics. They wouldn't be bemoaning that stuff; they'd go into survival mode. That of course doesn't mean that they'd all survive. However, I don't think 9 out of 10 would die within 5 years. More than 10% of the population would make it for sure. Also, technology/power would make a come back at some point. It's not like all knowledge and skill would disappear along with the power. But of course, it would be fucking horrific - a real deadly shit show. But again, humans are adaptable. I do not believe society would devolve into a permanent Mad Max situation, lol.

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

This is really surprising that a thread about cursive writing is now a survivalist thread...that never happens here on the AMT...never.  LOL

If you can build shelter, make fire and hunt and fish for your own food...then you can survive.  Just not a lot of people who can perform these skills consistently enough to survive...

In the event of a nuclear war, well the food supply will be contaminated..so we all going to die anyways... 

Diverting from the main topic? Yeah, that never happens here, haha!

Question is, how many people would survive by hunting and gathering in this modern age.  Depends on where you live.  The population of North America is 4 or 5 hundred million people.  I don't know that there is enough wildlife to feed that many people.  Without agriculture, many would starve. (Plus, the wildlife would be decimated in not time.)

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

This is really surprising that a thread about cursive writing is now a survivalist thread...that never happens here on the AMT...never.  LOL

If you can build shelter, make fire and hunt and fish for your own food...then you can survive.  Just not a lot of people who can perform these skills consistently enough to survive...

In the event of a nuclear war, well the food supply will be contaminated..so we all going to die anyways... 

Diverting from the main topic? Yeah, that never happens here, haha!

Question is, how many people would survive by hunting and gathering in this modern age.  Depends on where you live.  The population of North America is 4 or 5 hundred million people.  I don't know that there is enough wildlife to feed that many people.  Without agriculture, many would starve. (Plus, the wildlife would be decimated in not time.)

not to mention how much of the resources (hunted wildlife) would be wasted from people knowing how to hunt but not knowing how to harvest everything that can be harvested properly. 

"hey, we can put these antlers on the front of our car"
"our car has no gas, idiot, what about the fur?"
"damn, I used that when I went to the washroom, sorry"
"shit, cletus, now we're all going to freeze to death"

LOL

At some point, the taboo subject of cannibalism might come into play.  I mention that not out of fondness for the subject, but from having recently read a book called Desperate Passage, a book about the Donner Party. In that book, author Ethan Rarick takes a few pages to talk about how cannibalism has occurred more often than many realize, especially in situations where, faced with starvation in a survival situation, many times people have consumed those who did not survive in order for themselves to survive.  It's a fascinating but unsettling subject.  I told my wife about what I'd read and she said (in all seriousness), "If we were in a survival situation and I died, I hope you would use my body in order to survive."  I changed the subject very quickly. 

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

This is really surprising that a thread about cursive writing is now a survivalist thread...that never happens here on the AMT...never.  LOL

If you can build shelter, make fire and hunt and fish for your own food...then you can survive.  Just not a lot of people who can perform these skills consistently enough to survive...

In the event of a nuclear war, well the food supply will be contaminated..so we all going to die anyways... 

Diverting from the main topic? Yeah, that never happens here, haha!

Question is, how many people would survive by hunting and gathering in this modern age.  Depends on where you live.  The population of North America is 4 or 5 hundred million people.  I don't know that there is enough wildlife to feed that many people.  Without agriculture, many would starve. (Plus, the wildlife would be decimated in not time.)

not to mention how much of the resources (hunted wildlife) would be wasted from people knowing how to hunt but not knowing how to harvest everything that can be harvested properly. 

"hey, we can put these antlers on the front of our car"
"our car has no gas, idiot, what about the fur?"
"damn, I used that when I went to the washroom, sorry"
"shit, cletus, now we're all going to freeze to death"

LOL

At some point, the taboo subject of cannibalism might come into play.  I mention that not out of fondness for the subject, but from having recently read a book called Desperate Passage, a book about the Donner Party. In that book, author Ethan Rarick takes a few pages to talk about how cannibalism has occurred more often than many realize, especially in situations where, faced with starvation in a survival situation, many times people have consumed those who did not survive in order for themselves to survive.  It's a fascinating but unsettling subject.  I told my wife about what I'd read and she said (in all seriousness), "If we were in a survival situation and I died, I hope you would use my body in order to survive."  I changed the subject very quickly. 

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

This is really surprising that a thread about cursive writing is now a survivalist thread...that never happens here on the AMT...never.  LOL

If you can build shelter, make fire and hunt and fish for your own food...then you can survive.  Just not a lot of people who can perform these skills consistently enough to survive...

In the event of a nuclear war, well the food supply will be contaminated..so we all going to die anyways... 

Diverting from the main topic? Yeah, that never happens here, haha!

Question is, how many people would survive by hunting and gathering in this modern age.  Depends on where you live.  The population of North America is 4 or 5 hundred million people.  I don't know that there is enough wildlife to feed that many people.  Without agriculture, many would starve. (Plus, the wildlife would be decimated in not time.)

not to mention how much of the resources (hunted wildlife) would be wasted from people knowing how to hunt but not knowing how to harvest everything that can be harvested properly. 

"hey, we can put these antlers on the front of our car"
"our car has no gas, idiot, what about the fur?"
"damn, I used that when I went to the washroom, sorry"
"shit, cletus, now we're all going to freeze to death"

LOL

At some point, the taboo subject of cannibalism might come into play.  I mention that not out of fondness for the subject, but from having recently read a book called Desperate Passage, a book about the Donner Party. In that book, author Ethan Rarick takes a few pages to talk about how cannibalism has occurred more often than many realize, especially in situations where, faced with starvation in a survival situation, many times people have consumed those who did not survive in order for themselves to survive.  It's a fascinating but unsettling subject.  I told my wife about what I'd read and she said (in all seriousness), "If we were in a survival situation and I died, I hope you would use my body in order to survive."  I changed the subject very quickly. 

There are a lot of movies that assume people would resort to joining roaving cannibal hoards that actually hunt and kill other people if society broke down... I'm really not sure if this is a realistic idea or not. Of course I know cannibalism itself is realistic, a la The Donner Party and the rugby team, but would folks actually go around hunting people for food?? I mean, there are a lot of places in the world that have experienced a lot of death due to starvation in our life times. I never really heard about those starving people going around and killing others in order to eat them.

FTR, I'm happy to become dinner for others who need food, but only if they don't actually slaughter me for the meat!

Rarick talks about how in the days of traveling across the oceans having to be done by large sailing ships, wrecks occurred more often and survivors stuck on row boats or desert Islands would sometime draw lots to see who would be killed for food.  It was an unsettling section of the book, for sure.