The Evolution of Handwriting

PJ_Soul

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think anyone paying that much of a markup on anything is being ripped off (and I don't think I need those making the purchases to feel like they are being ripped off to think this). I do not automatically think someone who is simply paying more at one place than at another is.

I don't understand why you are so dismissive sometimes. You are a pleasure to have discussions with but when you take a stance sometimes, you refuse to think anyone who disagrees can possibly be making decisions on their own.

Your statement is basically saying that anyone who thinks differently than you is brainwashed by the greeting card industry and isn't really thinking for themselves because, unlike you, we have not opened our minds wide enough to realize what societal pressures are forcing us to do. I reject that sort of thinking. I could accept your opinion as different than mine if you were not so insulting to my intelligence. I'm not being led about by the mind police and you are not more enlightened than me. We have a different opinion, we don't have different levels of consciousness. 

So much for where I agree with you. So stubborn sometimes, Alli. Definitely a Taurus, for sure.

I'm not being stubborn or dismissive. I'm just stating my own opinion about greeting cards being a rip off. I also never said that someone disagreeing isn't making decisions on their own - I'm actually not sure why you're saying that. Of course people are making decisions on their own - I don't see how that has anything to do with what I've said though!

I am also absolutely NOT saying that anyone who thinks differently than me is brainwashed, and if that is how you've interpreted my perspective, I suppose I'm doing a bad job of expressing myself. And for the record, I buy greeting cards, lol. I do not think I am brainwashed! And your hyperbole in your post tells me that you are taking everything I said with MUCH more weight than it was intended.

I feel like the real confusion is simply coming from different ways of defining what a rip off is TBH.

Perhaps I have read you wrong. Perhaps we think a rip off is different. I really don't know and it really doesn't matter in the long  run. 

It does to me - I actually think I deserve a little more credit that what you just laid on me - your assumptions about where my head is at are disturbing to me! (And I edited my reply btw)

hedonist

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

People who choose to pay for something most definitely can still be getting ripped off. Very easily. Especially with greeting cards, since most people are made to feel that it's rude in certain situations to NOT buy a nice greeting card.

To me it isn’t rude but looks awfully cheap. IMO

Either/or. Social pressures/expectations have a strong influence on people.

If I go into a card store in order to find a perfect card for someone because it gives me pleasure sending or giving it & the recipient will get pleasure from receiving it, then I'm not being ripped off. I am making a conscious decision to enter that store. I have my choice of type of card and price of card. I am not feeling pressure. It is an enjoyable experience. If I don't buy the card for the person, the world will not end. But the right card can have a strong emotional reaction between you and the recipient. I buy cards on random days more than on holidays, just because I'm thinking of someone. It is different than a text or a gif or comment on-line. 

It's the same as saying someone going to Starbucks is getting ripped off because society says coffee is better there even though it is cheaper elsewhere, or you can make it at home. It's a choice. People who purchase organic goods, expensive cars, eco-friendly products,  name brand clothing, high end electronic and technological equipment could all be considered being ripped off by someone who doesn't value that choice. One could say that the price is worth the health value, environmental benefit or superior enjoyment of use from the product, but it could still be seen as a rip off by someone who finds those items to be ridiculous, unnecessary, peer driven and over priced.  

If you don't value greeting cards, then buying one would be a rip-off to you. We all make purchasing decisions based upon our particular value system and what gives us the most enjoyment.

Some of my most prized possessions are greeting cards that I have received. And on topic with the thread, when someone writes something personal in the card, it makes it even  more special. I've lost many family members so cards that I have saved from them are very dear to me. Being able to see their handwriting on the cards is like having a piece of them still alive. You cannot put a price on that for me. Someone else may throw out every card they receive as soon as they look at it.  Neither is a correct or incorrect reaction. Different strokes. 

A good example is about a week ago, when my dog died. Several days later, I received a sympathy card from the vet where we had brought her body. We had only been there once before when my mom's dog had an infection, so this was completely unexpected. Actually, when my last dog died, the vet we used regularly who put her down didn't send us anything afterwards. And I didn't expect anything. The card had a very sweet sentiment and was on recycled parchment type paper which was very pretty. This could be cynically looked at as just an advertisement, but I was touched.

Even more,  on the inside of the card,  they had pressed impressions of Chelsea's paw prints with her name underneath. There was no way they could have known but my son wanted her paw print to use for a tattoo but it was just not feasible for several reasons. The card was so special and brought both joy and tears. I think it was very kind of them, and to have Chelsea's paw prints is a gift. Though it may be their practice whenever this situation occurs, it does not take away from what it meant to us. This is the power of a personal message and a card. 

I do agree with your argument in two instances, but I'm teary eyed after my last paragraph, so I'll 'save it for later'. 

I still have and occasionally look through the cards and letters from my dad. They resonate HIM, and will be with me until I die.

And kudos to your vet.  All should be so heart-full

PJ_Soul

(BTW, I did already say, but for those of you who think I'm dead inside or something, I'll reiterate that I do value the sentiment of greeting cards .... And I still think they are a rip off, lol. I really don't think them being a rip off has any impact on the meaning they might hold for people)

bootlegger10

hedonist said:

Random cards are the best and among my most cherished.  It matters not to me if it's bought or looks like something a three-year-old would make.  The intent and warm energy are there, regardless of the conduit (and for that, I'm thankful).

Oh, and circling back to the cannibalism issue, while I've never had a hankering for it, I hope I'd do what's necessary to survive.  Long-term hunger can do a number on the mind.  I remember my dad telling me when he was fighting in WWII, starving and hunkered in a foxhole for lengths of time, he and his mission partner would describe in detail the most delectable meals.  Probably played a huge part in his - and now my - need to not waste food, or anything in general.

This was the first post in this thread that I read.  There is much confusion.

njnancy

PJ_Soul said:

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think anyone paying that much of a markup on anything is being ripped off (and I don't think I need those making the purchases to feel like they are being ripped off to think this). I do not automatically think someone who is simply paying more at one place than at another is.

I don't understand why you are so dismissive sometimes. You are a pleasure to have discussions with but when you take a stance sometimes, you refuse to think anyone who disagrees can possibly be making decisions on their own.

Your statement is basically saying that anyone who thinks differently than you is brainwashed by the greeting card industry and isn't really thinking for themselves because, unlike you, we have not opened our minds wide enough to realize what societal pressures are forcing us to do. I reject that sort of thinking. I could accept your opinion as different than mine if you were not so insulting to my intelligence. I'm not being led about by the mind police and you are not more enlightened than me. We have a different opinion, we don't have different levels of consciousness. 

So much for where I agree with you. So stubborn sometimes, Alli. Definitely a Taurus, for sure.

I'm not being stubborn or dismissive. I'm just stating my own opinion about greeting cards being a rip off. I also never said that someone disagreeing isn't making decisions on their own - I'm actually not sure why you're saying that. Of course people are making decisions on their own - I don't see how that has anything to do with what I've said though!

I am also absolutely NOT saying that anyone who thinks differently than me is brainwashed, and if that is how you've interpreted my perspective, I suppose I'm doing a bad job of expressing myself. And for the record, I buy greeting cards, lol. I do not think I am brainwashed! And your hyperbole in your post tells me that you are taking everything I said with MUCH more weight than it was intended.

I feel like the real confusion is simply coming from different ways of defining what a rip off is TBH.

Perhaps I have read you wrong. Perhaps we think a rip off is different. I really don't know and it really doesn't matter in the long  run. 

It does to me - I actually think I deserve a little more credit that what you just laid on me - your assumptions about where my head is at is disturbing to me!

I do feel like you dismiss opinions that don't align with yours, at times. It may be in the way that you express something that you truly believe. But I would never have believed that you buy greeting cards from what you had written. I felt like you just dismissed what I had written instead of something like 'yes, I think it is an entire rip off but there are other people who are okay with that so they feel differently'.  Without that, I was just left with you doubling down on your opinion. 

And you said that people are being ripped off even if they don't know they are being ripped off. That left me completely unvalidated, like I didn't know that cards are expensive which would make me an idiot. It's kind of the same when you talk about religion and brainwashing. People are brainwashed even if they don't realize it. That is your opinion. But you will not give an inch on anyone else's explanation. If you've been to a Catholic School, you are brainwashed but don't realize it and it's kind of insulting. This was that some sort of feeling about a much much more trivial subject.  

 When I buy gluten free food for my son, I know I'm getting ripped off. If someone needs a sponge for their boat and there is only a boat store,  they are getting ripped off because they are being charged for a  'boat sponge'. I don't feel the same in this instance.  I didn't expect to change your mind, but I did think you would give some sort of validation that another opinion could be valid.  And I give weight to what you say because I respect and like you. 

PJ_Soul

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think anyone paying that much of a markup on anything is being ripped off (and I don't think I need those making the purchases to feel like they are being ripped off to think this). I do not automatically think someone who is simply paying more at one place than at another is.

I don't understand why you are so dismissive sometimes. You are a pleasure to have discussions with but when you take a stance sometimes, you refuse to think anyone who disagrees can possibly be making decisions on their own.

Your statement is basically saying that anyone who thinks differently than you is brainwashed by the greeting card industry and isn't really thinking for themselves because, unlike you, we have not opened our minds wide enough to realize what societal pressures are forcing us to do. I reject that sort of thinking. I could accept your opinion as different than mine if you were not so insulting to my intelligence. I'm not being led about by the mind police and you are not more enlightened than me. We have a different opinion, we don't have different levels of consciousness. 

So much for where I agree with you. So stubborn sometimes, Alli. Definitely a Taurus, for sure.

I'm not being stubborn or dismissive. I'm just stating my own opinion about greeting cards being a rip off. I also never said that someone disagreeing isn't making decisions on their own - I'm actually not sure why you're saying that. Of course people are making decisions on their own - I don't see how that has anything to do with what I've said though!

I am also absolutely NOT saying that anyone who thinks differently than me is brainwashed, and if that is how you've interpreted my perspective, I suppose I'm doing a bad job of expressing myself. And for the record, I buy greeting cards, lol. I do not think I am brainwashed! And your hyperbole in your post tells me that you are taking everything I said with MUCH more weight than it was intended.

I feel like the real confusion is simply coming from different ways of defining what a rip off is TBH.

Perhaps I have read you wrong. Perhaps we think a rip off is different. I really don't know and it really doesn't matter in the long  run. 

It does to me - I actually think I deserve a little more credit that what you just laid on me - your assumptions about where my head is at is disturbing to me!

I do feel like you dismiss opinions that don't align with yours, at times. It may be in the way that you express something that you truly believe. But I would never have believed that you buy greeting cards from what you had written. I felt like you just dismissed what I had written instead of something like 'yes, I think it is an entire rip off but there are other people who are okay with that so they feel differently'.  Without that, I was just left with you doubling down on your opinion. 

And you said that people are being ripped off even if they don't know they are being ripped off. That left me completely unvalidated, like I didn't know that cards are expensive which would make me an idiot. It's kind of the same when you talk about religion and brainwashing. People are brainwashed even if they don't realize it. That is your opinion. But you will not give an inch on anyone else's explanation. If you've been to a Catholic School, you are brainwashed but don't realize it and it's kind of insulting. This was that some sort of feeling about a much much more trivial subject.  

 When I buy gluten free food for my son, I know I'm getting ripped off. If someone needs a sponge for their boat and there is only a boat store,  they are getting ripped off because they are being charged for a  'boat sponge'. I don't feel the same in this instance.  I didn't expect to change your mind, but I did think you would give some sort of validation that another opinion could be valid.  And I give weight to what you say because I respect and like you. 

Okay, well, to straighten things out, I absolutely do express my own opinion strongly and confidently, but I am NEVER dismissive of anyone's opinion, whether they agree with me or not. Even if I think someone else's opinion is nuts (doesn't apply here), I'm not dismissive of the nutzo opinion, lol. I honestly think "at times" you might think that simply because when I happen to be responding, I don't have the time to type more, so I'm just being brief and sticking with limited points because of that. Not dismissive. I often don't have time (or the fortitude, sometimes) to deal with and consider every little nuance of my post or those of others, that's all, and sometimes may not address everything brought up in the post I'm responding to. Your posts are always VERY thought out and detailed, which I know many appreciate, myself included, but I'm just not in the position to always reciprocate equally! Also, as I don't really require much validation of my own opinions to feel comfortable with them, I'm not necessarily inclined to go out of my way to specifically validate other people's opinions. I just take it for granted that we're disagreeing and, and that's that. No big deal. The very fact that we are even having a conversation seems like enough validation to me.

I did say that people are being ripped off even if they don't think they are being ripped off. That definitely is only about how I define being ripped off. To me it's not about the feelings or attitudes of the people at all, or how happy or satisfied one might feel in the purchase. It's simply about the difference between the cost of production vs the retail price!

As for religion and brainwashing... well, yes, I'm perfectly aware that is insulting to religious people, but I can't help that. It's completely unavoidable, because I think just the belief in the existence of God alone is the result of being brainwashed, and I see no alternative to that fact (as I see it). I think that people are taught to believe in God and whatever dogma that goes with it in their religion, and that is brainwashing by definition (I do not think everyone who has gone to Catholic School is brainwashed though... I'm pretty sure Atheists have attended such schools). I don't intend to insult anyone saying that, it just is what it is. I can't help it. If I'm to be honest about my own beliefs about it, I can't get around that. I have to just accept that that will insult people who believe in God. It's not a reflection of my personality or my feelings about opinions in general. That's a very specific topic and doesn't reflect my attitude about other things.

I like you very much.... I just wish you wouldn't think the worst of me when you find yourself disagreeing with my opinions or my delivery or whatever, because your conclusions about what I meant here were really quite monstrous IMO. Just ask me what I meant maybe, because if you think I'm being THAT unreasonable, there is likely just a misunderstanding happening.

hedonist

bootlegger10 said:

hedonist said:

Random cards are the best and among my most cherished.  It matters not to me if it's bought or looks like something a three-year-old would make.  The intent and warm energy are there, regardless of the conduit (and for that, I'm thankful).

Oh, and circling back to the cannibalism issue, while I've never had a hankering for it, I hope I'd do what's necessary to survive.  Long-term hunger can do a number on the mind.  I remember my dad telling me when he was fighting in WWII, starving and hunkered in a foxhole for lengths of time, he and his mission partner would describe in detail the most delectable meals.  Probably played a huge part in his - and now my - need to not waste food, or anything in general.

This was the first post in this thread that I read.  There is much confusion.

Ha!

njnancy

PJ_Soul said:

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

njnancy said:

Perhaps I have read you wrong. Perhaps we think a rip off is different. I really don't know and it really doesn't matter in the long  run. 

It does to me - I actually think I deserve a little more credit that what you just laid on me - your assumptions about where my head is at is disturbing to me!

I do feel like you dismiss opinions that don't align with yours, at times. It may be in the way that you express something that you truly believe. But I would never have believed that you buy greeting cards from what you had written. I felt like you just dismissed what I had written instead of something like 'yes, I think it is an entire rip off but there are other people who are okay with that so they feel differently'.  Without that, I was just left with you doubling down on your opinion. 

And you said that people are being ripped off even if they don't know they are being ripped off. That left me completely unvalidated, like I didn't know that cards are expensive which would make me an idiot. It's kind of the same when you talk about religion and brainwashing. People are brainwashed even if they don't realize it. That is your opinion. But you will not give an inch on anyone else's explanation. If you've been to a Catholic School, you are brainwashed but don't realize it and it's kind of insulting. This was that some sort of feeling about a much much more trivial subject.  

 When I buy gluten free food for my son, I know I'm getting ripped off. If someone needs a sponge for their boat and there is only a boat store,  they are getting ripped off because they are being charged for a  'boat sponge'. I don't feel the same in this instance.  I didn't expect to change your mind, but I did think you would give some sort of validation that another opinion could be valid.  And I give weight to what you say because I respect and like you. 

Okay, well, to straighten things out, I absolutely do express my own opinion strongly and confidently, but I am NEVER dismissive of anyone's opinion, whether they agree with me or not. Even if I think someone else's opinion is nuts (doesn't apply here), I'm not dismissive of the nutzo opinion, lol. I honestly think "at times" you might think that simply because when I happen to be responding, I don't have the time to type more, so I'm just being brief and sticking with limited points because of that. Not dismissive. I often don't have time (or the fortitude, sometimes) to deal with and consider every little nuance of my post or those of others, that's all, and sometimes may not address everything brought up in the post I'm responding to. Your posts are always VERY thought out and detailed, which I know many appreciate, myself included, but I'm just not in the position to always reciprocate equally! Also, as I don't really require much validation of my own opinions to feel comfortable with them, I'm not necessarily inclined to go out of my way to specifically validate other people's opinions. I just take it for granted that we're disagreeing and, and that's that. No big deal. The very fact that we are even having a conversation seems like enough validation to me.

I did say that people are being ripped off even if they don't think they are being ripped off. That definitely is only about how I define being ripped off. To me it's not about the feelings or attitudes of the people at all, or how happy or satisfied one might feel in the purchase. It's simply about the difference between the cost of production vs the retail price!

As for religion and brainwashing... well, yes, I'm perfectly aware that is insulting to religious people, but I can't help that. It's completely unavoidable, because I think just the belief in the existence of God alone is the result of being brainwashed, and I see no alternative to that fact (as I see it). I think that people are taught to believe in God and whatever dogma that goes with it in their religion, and that is brainwashing by definition (I do not think everyone who has gone to Catholic School is brainwashed though... I'm pretty sure Atheists have attended such schools). I don't intend to insult anyone saying that, it just is what it is. I can't help it. If I'm to be honest about my own beliefs about it, I can't get around that. I have to just accept that that will insult people who believe in God. It's not a reflection of my personality or my feelings about opinions in general. That's a very specific topic and doesn't reflect my attitude about other things.

I like you very much.... I just wish you wouldn't think the worst of me when you find yourself disagreeing with my opinions or my delivery or whatever, because your conclusions about what I meant here were really quite monstrous IMO. Just ask me what I meant maybe, because if you think I'm being THAT unreasonable, there is likely just a misunderstanding happening.

I really wasn't thinking the worst of you so I'm sorry that my description was so heavy handed. I was trying to figure out a way to explain myself without being offensive and I did not succeed, so I apologize for making you sound like someone that you aren't.  

I think that your first paragraph explains where we got crossed. I get very into discussions and when I receive a short reply I feel like the discussion has been ended. I wasn't sure what you meant and I almost replied 'Huh?' to your post, but instead I went the dismissive route. Should have gone with my instinct for Huh. 

I do not know how to respond to a short response like that sometimes and in the future I will ask what you mean. I don't expect you to respond to every point I made - I know that I write in a discussion style more than most and I don't usually have short responses. If I'm not in the mood to engage, I usually just skip posting. Short posts are a work in progress for me. Sometimes I see a short response as a dismissal of my opinion when the poster is just being brief. I need to work on knowing how to respond to those posts. Being dismissed is something that bothers me due to RL experience, so that hit a nerve, even though I now realize you weren't doing that.  


I am sorry for offending you and for thinking you were being so unreasonable. We have different styles of communication and different triggers, or at least I have some, so I'll work on asking instead of assuming the worst in the future. I know you will discuss your POV with anyone. I was just taken off guard this time and things went sideways.   I REALLY did not think you were monstrous and I am sorry that my words were so strong. I didn't mean to cast you in a negative light, even though that's what I did. I can only try to do better in the future. 


EDIT - I also missed a bunch of posts which would have changed how I viewed things. 

brianlux

Today was C's birthday.   She loves getting cards.  Guess what?  I got her a card!  Ah!, but better yet, I gave her a big fat gift card for her favorite nursery/garden shop.  AND a really cool jigsaw puzzle.  AND made a fabulous dinner (we more often than not go vegetarian but tonight, filet mignon on the rare side-- perfect!)  AND cake.  AND a fine bottle of wine.

Did I mention I also get her a card?  LOL.

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Today was C's birthday.   She loves getting cards.  Guess what?  I got her a card!  Ah!, but better yet, I gave her a big fat gift card for her favorite nursery/garden shop.  AND a really cool jigsaw puzzle.  AND made a fabulous dinner (we more often than not go vegetarian but tonight, filet mignon on the rare side-- perfect!)  AND cake.  AND a fine bottle of wine.

Did I mention I also get her a card?  LOL.

the big question is.....did you get ripped off? LOL

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Today was C's birthday.   She loves getting cards.  Guess what?  I got her a card!  Ah!, but better yet, I gave her a big fat gift card for her favorite nursery/garden shop.  AND a really cool jigsaw puzzle.  AND made a fabulous dinner (we more often than not go vegetarian but tonight, filet mignon on the rare side-- perfect!)  AND cake.  AND a fine bottle of wine.

Did I mention I also get her a card?  LOL.

the big question is.....did you get ripped off? LOL

No, but the wine was so good I did get a little ripped.

HughFreakingDillon

LOL

PJ_Soul

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

njnancy said:

PJ_Soul said:

njnancy said:

Perhaps I have read you wrong. Perhaps we think a rip off is different. I really don't know and it really doesn't matter in the long  run. 

It does to me - I actually think I deserve a little more credit that what you just laid on me - your assumptions about where my head is at is disturbing to me!

I do feel like you dismiss opinions that don't align with yours, at times. It may be in the way that you express something that you truly believe. But I would never have believed that you buy greeting cards from what you had written. I felt like you just dismissed what I had written instead of something like 'yes, I think it is an entire rip off but there are other people who are okay with that so they feel differently'.  Without that, I was just left with you doubling down on your opinion. 

And you said that people are being ripped off even if they don't know they are being ripped off. That left me completely unvalidated, like I didn't know that cards are expensive which would make me an idiot. It's kind of the same when you talk about religion and brainwashing. People are brainwashed even if they don't realize it. That is your opinion. But you will not give an inch on anyone else's explanation. If you've been to a Catholic School, you are brainwashed but don't realize it and it's kind of insulting. This was that some sort of feeling about a much much more trivial subject.  

 When I buy gluten free food for my son, I know I'm getting ripped off. If someone needs a sponge for their boat and there is only a boat store,  they are getting ripped off because they are being charged for a  'boat sponge'. I don't feel the same in this instance.  I didn't expect to change your mind, but I did think you would give some sort of validation that another opinion could be valid.  And I give weight to what you say because I respect and like you. 

Okay, well, to straighten things out, I absolutely do express my own opinion strongly and confidently, but I am NEVER dismissive of anyone's opinion, whether they agree with me or not. Even if I think someone else's opinion is nuts (doesn't apply here), I'm not dismissive of the nutzo opinion, lol. I honestly think "at times" you might think that simply because when I happen to be responding, I don't have the time to type more, so I'm just being brief and sticking with limited points because of that. Not dismissive. I often don't have time (or the fortitude, sometimes) to deal with and consider every little nuance of my post or those of others, that's all, and sometimes may not address everything brought up in the post I'm responding to. Your posts are always VERY thought out and detailed, which I know many appreciate, myself included, but I'm just not in the position to always reciprocate equally! Also, as I don't really require much validation of my own opinions to feel comfortable with them, I'm not necessarily inclined to go out of my way to specifically validate other people's opinions. I just take it for granted that we're disagreeing and, and that's that. No big deal. The very fact that we are even having a conversation seems like enough validation to me.

I did say that people are being ripped off even if they don't think they are being ripped off. That definitely is only about how I define being ripped off. To me it's not about the feelings or attitudes of the people at all, or how happy or satisfied one might feel in the purchase. It's simply about the difference between the cost of production vs the retail price!

As for religion and brainwashing... well, yes, I'm perfectly aware that is insulting to religious people, but I can't help that. It's completely unavoidable, because I think just the belief in the existence of God alone is the result of being brainwashed, and I see no alternative to that fact (as I see it). I think that people are taught to believe in God and whatever dogma that goes with it in their religion, and that is brainwashing by definition (I do not think everyone who has gone to Catholic School is brainwashed though... I'm pretty sure Atheists have attended such schools). I don't intend to insult anyone saying that, it just is what it is. I can't help it. If I'm to be honest about my own beliefs about it, I can't get around that. I have to just accept that that will insult people who believe in God. It's not a reflection of my personality or my feelings about opinions in general. That's a very specific topic and doesn't reflect my attitude about other things.

I like you very much.... I just wish you wouldn't think the worst of me when you find yourself disagreeing with my opinions or my delivery or whatever, because your conclusions about what I meant here were really quite monstrous IMO. Just ask me what I meant maybe, because if you think I'm being THAT unreasonable, there is likely just a misunderstanding happening.

I really wasn't thinking the worst of you so I'm sorry that my description was so heavy handed. I was trying to figure out a way to explain myself without being offensive and I did not succeed, so I apologize for making you sound like someone that you aren't.  

I think that your first paragraph explains where we got crossed. I get very into discussions and when I receive a short reply I feel like the discussion has been ended. I wasn't sure what you meant and I almost replied 'Huh?' to your post, but instead I went the dismissive route. Should have gone with my instinct for Huh. 

I do not know how to respond to a short response like that sometimes and in the future I will ask what you mean. I don't expect you to respond to every point I made - I know that I write in a discussion style more than most and I don't usually have short responses. If I'm not in the mood to engage, I usually just skip posting. Short posts are a work in progress for me. Sometimes I see a short response as a dismissal of my opinion when the poster is just being brief. I need to work on knowing how to respond to those posts. Being dismissed is something that bothers me due to RL experience, so that hit a nerve, even though I now realize you weren't doing that.  


I am sorry for offending you and for thinking you were being so unreasonable. We have different styles of communication and different triggers, or at least I have some, so I'll work on asking instead of assuming the worst in the future. I know you will discuss your POV with anyone. I was just taken off guard this time and things went sideways.   I REALLY did not think you were monstrous and I am sorry that my words were so strong. I didn't mean to cast you in a negative light, even though that's what I did. I can only try to do better in the future. 


EDIT - I also missed a bunch of posts which would have changed how I viewed things. 

You are lovely Nancy, all is good, I am glad you don't think I'm a monster, haha, and it's always great to talk things though IMO. And I'm afraid this is another brief response, I'M SORRY! I love writing long, detailed posts myself, but as some know, I almost exclusively post here while I'm also working at the office, LOL. I am a super-multi-tasker and I do this to keep my hyper-stimulated as I sit at a desk all day (at a job I actually really enjoy). I jump back and forth between my work and here a lot, so unless it's very slow in the office or I'm between projects or something, I sometimes have to get it in in short bursts. But that doesn't make me appreciate what others are saying any less. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Today was C's birthday.   She loves getting cards.  Guess what?  I got her a card!  Ah!, but better yet, I gave her a big fat gift card for her favorite nursery/garden shop.  AND a really cool jigsaw puzzle.  AND made a fabulous dinner (we more often than not go vegetarian but tonight, filet mignon on the rare side-- perfect!)  AND cake.  AND a fine bottle of wine.

Did I mention I also get her a card?  LOL.

the big question is.....did you get ripped off? LOL

The answer is necessarily yes!

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Today was C's birthday.   She loves getting cards.  Guess what?  I got her a card!  Ah!, but better yet, I gave her a big fat gift card for her favorite nursery/garden shop.  AND a really cool jigsaw puzzle.  AND made a fabulous dinner (we more often than not go vegetarian but tonight, filet mignon on the rare side-- perfect!)  AND cake.  AND a fine bottle of wine.

Did I mention I also get her a card?  LOL.

the big question is.....did you get ripped off? LOL

The answer is necessarily yes!

The Great Greeting Card Debate!        

 Just remember if you do send a card, SIGN IN CURSIVE!

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Today was C's birthday.   She loves getting cards.  Guess what?  I got her a card!  Ah!, but better yet, I gave her a big fat gift card for her favorite nursery/garden shop.  AND a really cool jigsaw puzzle.  AND made a fabulous dinner (we more often than not go vegetarian but tonight, filet mignon on the rare side-- perfect!)  AND cake.  AND a fine bottle of wine.

Did I mention I also get her a card?  LOL.

the big question is.....did you get ripped off? LOL

The answer is necessarily yes!

The Great Greeting Card Debate!        

 Just remember if you do send a card, SIGN IN CURSIVE!

that's actually pretty much the only time I use cursive. 

oftenreading

Is it even a signature if it’s not in cursive? 

njnancy

oftenreading said:

Is it even a signature if it’s not in cursive? 

No it's not. On forms it usually says PRINT NAME and SIGN NAME. I suppose someone could print in both places but they'd be better off just doing a squiggly line like I do on those supermarket check out machines. 

PJ_Soul

njnancy said:

oftenreading said:

Is it even a signature if it’s not in cursive? 

No it's not. On forms it usually says PRINT NAME and SIGN NAME. I suppose someone could print in both places but they'd be better off just doing a squiggly line like I do on those supermarket check out machines. 

I think a signature can actually be anything you want it to be. It could be a drawing of something if you wanted. And now that I type that, I rather regret not thinking to do that myself, lol, when I was designing my own signature.

Meltdown99

On those UPS keypads, I just give them a squiggly line...