The Evolution of Handwriting
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Meltdown99 said:There are still some professions that use cursive writing...
Cursive writing should be taught.
If people do not learn cursive writing, are we going to need to transcribe historical documents into the print form so they can read them?
This just another example of people wanting technology to rule their lives.
Not everything needs to be digital.
1st they tried to do away with phonics now they want to away with cursive writing.
How do you confuse a millennial? Ask to read them to read cursive writing or drive a stick...lol...thankfully I can do both.Haha! No kidding!Or ask them to:-Start a fire with one match or wet wood.-Sharpen a knife.-Treat an injured person for shock or make a tourniquet.-Use a compass.-Build a shelter.-Find clean water in the wild.-Change a flat tire.-Set up a budget.-Parallel park.-Know how to shut off your water, gas and electricity.-Change a car's oil.-Mend clothing.To be fair, it's not just millennials who aren't familiar with many basic skills.
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Excellent list.brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:There are still some professions that use cursive writing...
Cursive writing should be taught.
If people do not learn cursive writing, are we going to need to transcribe historical documents into the print form so they can read them?
This just another example of people wanting technology to rule their lives.
Not everything needs to be digital.
1st they tried to do away with phonics now they want to away with cursive writing.
How do you confuse a millennial? Ask to read them to read cursive writing or drive a stick...lol...thankfully I can do both.Haha! No kidding!Or ask them to:-Start a fire with one match or wet wood.-Sharpen a knife.-Treat an injured person for shock or make a tourniquet.-Use a compass.-Build a shelter.-Find clean water in the wild.-Change a flat tire.-Set up a budget.-Parallel park.-Know how to shut off your water, gas and electricity.-Change a car's oil.-Mend clothing.To be fair, it's not just millennials who aren't familiar with many basic skills.
We can add reading a map. I remember many a family vacation with Mom and Dad, and Dad driving with the map on his lap...lol...Even 40 years ago there was distracted driving...never an accident though.
You are right. People are losing basic skills. And that is sad. I am confident I could build a fire, make suitable shelter and if there is water nearby catch my dinner...all thanks to my Dad.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Being able to read handwriting isn't the same as being able to do it yourself.
(and I'm not sure I'd rank cursive writing on any level near basic survival skills!)0 -
hedonist said:Being able to read handwriting isn't the same as being able to do it yourself.
(and I'm not sure I'd rank cursive writing on any level near basic survival skills!)Hypothetical situation: You're in danger and locked in a cage. A person you know who can save you walks by the cage and you slip them a note. Turns out that person can only read cursive. Now you've had it!OK, maybe a bit of a stretch?
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Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Umm, you don't have to learn to write in cursive to read it.Meltdown99 said:There are still some professions that use cursive writing...
Cursive writing should be taught.
If people do not learn cursive writing, are we going to need to transcribe historical documents into the print form so they can read them?
This just another example of people wanting technology to rule their lives.
Not everything needs to be digital.
1st they tried to do away with phonics now they want to away with cursive writing.
How do you confuse a millennial? Ask to read them to read cursive writing or drive a stick...lol...thankfully I can do both.
Millennials can absolutely read cursive lol
I was just told this weekend by a primary teacher that phonetic reading is the only endorsed method, rote memorization is a no-no.
You mostly get your information from your own head, don't you? lolPost edited by rgambs onMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
annoys the hell out of me. it's the previous generation's job to teach the next. it's not like the baby boomers or gen x'ers taught themselves how to write cursive or start a fire.PJ_Soul said:Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?
every generation seems to have this pervasive attitude that the next batch of young whipper snappers are useless and lazy. it was the same with mine, it was most likely the same for my parents, etc. all because technology started to advance at such a rate that things are done differently than the generation prior. I see memes about asking a millennial how to use a rotary phone, and all the laughter that follows. how about the laughter from the millennial towards us having to spend 5 minutes dialing a phone?
yes, there are some issues with millennial (primarily with lack of independence), but that falls squarely in the lap of their parents and how they were raised.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
rgambs said:I am not a fan of the push to bring back cursive and penmanship.
I'm 33, so that surely has something to do with it.
On the other hand, I'm a pretty old-fashioned man of the land who believes the only true investments are in good soil and durable tools. I'm also a huge literature and reading fellow, and my favorite works all came when penmanship was very important... so that lends itself to the nostalgia of penmanship.
Still, time moves forward and we have to look at the sensibility of things and I don't see any in focusing on penmanship.
I have two major gripes.
The first one is that cursive education is a mind numbing exercise in rote memory and repetition given at an age when children should be grappling with new ideas and building imaginative capacities. There's some compelling evidence that we teach children to read earlier than optimal, and I tend to believe it. True or not, I don't think cursive handwriting is important enough to be taught until adolescence at the earliest, and by then the obsolescence and futility are too painfully obvious for anyone but the artistic souls who will find their way to it on their own anyways.
The second gripe isn't just with cursive, but with the endeavor to make everyone's penmanship aesthetically pleasing.
It's a waste of time. You can improve illegible handwriting into legibility, but you can never, ever teach someone like me make "pretty" handwriting. It's exactly like singing, a crappy singer can work themselves to the bone to learn to sing in key, but they will never, ever turn themselves into a truly good singer. It's a natural talent, and while it should be encouraged heartily where it's found, it should never be expected from everyone. Legibility should be the standard, and no more. Everyone should be taught to think, speak, and write in grammatically correct sentences. Anything beyond that is a specialty to be chosen.This bothers me way more than cursive handwriting ever will! If I had a fucking penny for every time someone improperly used the word "of" instead of "have" (e.g. I could of been rich), I'd be the wealthiest mother fucker in the galaxy!Legibility is definitely a close second to proper grammar. It's a shame I work with adults whose handwriting I can't read.Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 250 -
it really does amaze me how grammatically terrible a good portion of the population is.HesCalledDyer said:rgambs said:I am not a fan of the push to bring back cursive and penmanship.
I'm 33, so that surely has something to do with it.
On the other hand, I'm a pretty old-fashioned man of the land who believes the only true investments are in good soil and durable tools. I'm also a huge literature and reading fellow, and my favorite works all came when penmanship was very important... so that lends itself to the nostalgia of penmanship.
Still, time moves forward and we have to look at the sensibility of things and I don't see any in focusing on penmanship.
I have two major gripes.
The first one is that cursive education is a mind numbing exercise in rote memory and repetition given at an age when children should be grappling with new ideas and building imaginative capacities. There's some compelling evidence that we teach children to read earlier than optimal, and I tend to believe it. True or not, I don't think cursive handwriting is important enough to be taught until adolescence at the earliest, and by then the obsolescence and futility are too painfully obvious for anyone but the artistic souls who will find their way to it on their own anyways.
The second gripe isn't just with cursive, but with the endeavor to make everyone's penmanship aesthetically pleasing.
It's a waste of time. You can improve illegible handwriting into legibility, but you can never, ever teach someone like me make "pretty" handwriting. It's exactly like singing, a crappy singer can work themselves to the bone to learn to sing in key, but they will never, ever turn themselves into a truly good singer. It's a natural talent, and while it should be encouraged heartily where it's found, it should never be expected from everyone. Legibility should be the standard, and no more. Everyone should be taught to think, speak, and write in grammatically correct sentences. Anything beyond that is a specialty to be chosen.This bothers me way more than cursive handwriting ever will! If I had a fucking penny for every time someone improperly used the word "of" instead of "have" (e.g. I could of been rich), I'd be the wealthiest mother fucker in the galaxy!Legibility is definitely a close second to proper grammar. It's a shame I work with adults whose handwriting I can't read.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Some professional still use cursive... as every lawyer I have needed writes in cursive. Nothing digital there. Most Dr. I have had have used cursive. The last time I was in the hospital the dr. and nurses were writing in cursive...rgambs said:
Umm, you don't have to learn to write in cursive to read it.Meltdown99 said:There are still some professions that use cursive writing...
Cursive writing should be taught.
If people do not learn cursive writing, are we going to need to transcribe historical documents into the print form so they can read them?
This just another example of people wanting technology to rule their lives.
Not everything needs to be digital.
1st they tried to do away with phonics now they want to away with cursive writing.
How do you confuse a millennial? Ask to read them to read cursive writing or drive a stick...lol...thankfully I can do both.
Millennials can absolutely read cursive lol
I was just told this weekend by a primary teacher that phonetic reading is the only endorsed method, rote memorization is a no-no.
You mostly get your information from your own head, don't you? lolGive Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:
Some professional still use cursive... as every lawyer I have needed writes in cursive. Nothing digital there. Most Dr. I have had have used cursive. The last time I was in the hospital the dr. and nurses were writing in cursive...rgambs said:
Umm, you don't have to learn to write in cursive to read it.Meltdown99 said:There are still some professions that use cursive writing...
Cursive writing should be taught.
If people do not learn cursive writing, are we going to need to transcribe historical documents into the print form so they can read them?
This just another example of people wanting technology to rule their lives.
Not everything needs to be digital.
1st they tried to do away with phonics now they want to away with cursive writing.
How do you confuse a millennial? Ask to read them to read cursive writing or drive a stick...lol...thankfully I can do both.
Millennials can absolutely read cursive lol
I was just told this weekend by a primary teacher that phonetic reading is the only endorsed method, rote memorization is a no-no.
You mostly get your information from your own head, don't you? lol
Really? You've been blessed with good health then I'm guessing?
Most doctors don't write much at all anymore, there is no reason to write something down only to have to enter it digitally later. Much more efficient to work through a laptop.
That's off-point anyways, just because a few old-timers in a few careers still cling to cursive, there's no reason they NEED cursive at all, which makes countless hours drilling it into kids a collosal waste of time in a world that moves far faster than it did when that was the standard.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
yeah, my doc has been printing my scripts for years. I can't remember the last time I saw a written one.rgambs said:Meltdown99 said:
Some professional still use cursive... as every lawyer I have needed writes in cursive. Nothing digital there. Most Dr. I have had have used cursive. The last time I was in the hospital the dr. and nurses were writing in cursive...rgambs said:
Umm, you don't have to learn to write in cursive to read it.Meltdown99 said:There are still some professions that use cursive writing...
Cursive writing should be taught.
If people do not learn cursive writing, are we going to need to transcribe historical documents into the print form so they can read them?
This just another example of people wanting technology to rule their lives.
Not everything needs to be digital.
1st they tried to do away with phonics now they want to away with cursive writing.
How do you confuse a millennial? Ask to read them to read cursive writing or drive a stick...lol...thankfully I can do both.
Millennials can absolutely read cursive lol
I was just told this weekend by a primary teacher that phonetic reading is the only endorsed method, rote memorization is a no-no.
You mostly get your information from your own head, don't you? lol
Really? You've been blessed with good health then I'm guessing?
Most doctors don't write much at all anymore, there is no reason to write something down only to have to enter it digitally later. Much more efficient to work through a laptop.
That's off-point anyways, just because a few old-timers in a few careers still cling to cursive, there's no reason they NEED cursive at all, which makes countless hours drilling it into kids a collosal waste of time in a world that moves far faster than it did when that was the standard.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Doctors can't print?? Some of you are acting like using cursive is the only way to get letters onto paper with a pen....Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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I think my cursive is pretty nice looking.
However, it can look different from day to day...or even hour.
c'est la vieSo I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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huh? no one is acting like that at all. of course they can. but IN MY EXPERIENCE, when doc's used to write Rx's, they actually wrote in cursive.PJ_Soul said:Doctors can't print?? Some of you are acting like using cursive is the only way to get letters onto paper with a pen....By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Relax. It is called jokes...jeeshPJ_Soul said:Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?Give Peas A Chance…0 -
PJ_Soul said:Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?Because boomers are the best and we changed the world and everyone else SUCKS!Oh, alright... I'll concede your point. Truth is, "We're all bozos on the bus". OK, but seriously, to me it's not a clear cut generational thing, it's more a continuum that has taken place over the entire era that began with the industrial revolution. During that time, people in developed countries have gradually and continually been losing the ability to perform basic skills with decreasing efficiency and fewer aesthetically pleasing results. This, I truly believe."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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You’re right we are getting further and further away from knowing basic skills. I will also add that people are becoming way too dependent on the government for their existence. For fuck sake’s people are wanting universal basic income because they somehow think that there will be no jobs in five years.brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?Because boomers are the best and we changed the world and everyone else SUCKS!Oh, alright... I'll concede your point. Truth is, "We're all bozos on the bus". OK, but seriously, to me it's not a clear cut generational thing, it's more a continuum that has taken place over the entire era that began with the industrial revolution. During that time, people in developed countries have gradually and continually been losing the ability to perform basic skills with decreasing efficiency and fewer aesthetically pleasing results. This, I truly believe.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I agree, but even more, I'd say people are becoming WAY to dependent on their electronics. Almost everything is run by a computer of some sort and when the power goes down many people are basically helpless, like they themselves have been unplugged. I don't think this is going to turn out well. And that means me too. Without power, I cannot do the on-line portion of my book business.Meltdown99 said:
You’re right we are getting further and further away from knowing basic skills. I will also add that people are becoming way too dependent on the government for their existence. For fuck sake’s people are wanting universal basic income because they somehow think that there will be no jobs in five years.brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?Because boomers are the best and we changed the world and everyone else SUCKS!Oh, alright... I'll concede your point. Truth is, "We're all bozos on the bus". OK, but seriously, to me it's not a clear cut generational thing, it's more a continuum that has taken place over the entire era that began with the industrial revolution. During that time, people in developed countries have gradually and continually been losing the ability to perform basic skills with decreasing efficiency and fewer aesthetically pleasing results. This, I truly believe.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I believe that people will actually adjust pretty quickly if the power actually goes out for an extended period of time (or indefinitely!). When everyone knows the power is going to come back on in hours or a couple of days, it really sucks and they are just waiting anxiously. But if some cataclysmic happens so that power is actually gone for good or more than a week or something, I believe that people are pretty damned adaptable when push comes to shove. Obviously in this scenario we'd all be dealing with the breakdown of society in general, because the financial system would collapse... But I don't think people would be "lost" for very long because they can't watch TV or surf the web or use electric lights. They'd go into survival mode pretty quick for the most part IMO, rather than curling into a ball. Everything would change.brianlux said:
I agree, but even more, I'd say people are becoming WAY to dependent on their electronics. Almost everything is run by a computer of some sort and when the power goes down many people are basically helpless, like they themselves have been unplugged. I don't think this is going to turn out well. And that means me too. Without power, I cannot do the on-line portion of my book business.Meltdown99 said:
You’re right we are getting further and further away from knowing basic skills. I will also add that people are becoming way too dependent on the government for their existence. For fuck sake’s people are wanting universal basic income because they somehow think that there will be no jobs in five years.brianlux said:PJ_Soul said:Why all this idiotic millennial hatred or shaming?? WTF?Because boomers are the best and we changed the world and everyone else SUCKS!Oh, alright... I'll concede your point. Truth is, "We're all bozos on the bus". OK, but seriously, to me it's not a clear cut generational thing, it's more a continuum that has taken place over the entire era that began with the industrial revolution. During that time, people in developed countries have gradually and continually been losing the ability to perform basic skills with decreasing efficiency and fewer aesthetically pleasing results. This, I truly believe.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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