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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    Checking the air pressure in your tires every few months will increase mileage and make travel more safe.  Save the planet and lives. 
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Jason P said:
    I think Canada’s fleet of bass boats could take that fucker in the Philippines out in under a week.  You guys should try it just to send a message. 
    Our Navy consists of a canoe, 2 guys, some poutine, 2 paddles, and maybe a gun...maybe, more likely a hockey stick.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited April 2019
    Jason P said:
    Getting a programmable thermostat will cut your energy consumption down.  They are under $100 and will pay for themselves in a few months. 
    Agreed...
    Post edited by Meltdown99 on
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    The quote feature on this website sucks...who designed this website?  A grade 8 student could do a better...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,548
    https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1121048781766709248?s=21
    Interesting chart ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Netflix is lying about those falling walruses. It's another 'tragedy porn' climate hoax
    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/netflix-is-lying-about-those-falling-walruses-its-another-tragedy-porn-climate-hoax/wcm/a75131aa-21bc-4a0a-a2dc-69cca7d9a85a?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR28v6BTkWtezwVM0qSJOd4vQrDok_3duhoTwZuEsbJ3vvPouRiGNwkr1oQ#Echobox=1556118732

    Might help the eco cause if they quit lying...kind of makes them look desperate.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    Meltdown99 said:
    Netflix is lying about those falling walruses. It's another 'tragedy porn' climate hoax
    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/netflix-is-lying-about-those-falling-walruses-its-another-tragedy-porn-climate-hoax/wcm/a75131aa-21bc-4a0a-a2dc-69cca7d9a85a?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR28v6BTkWtezwVM0qSJOd4vQrDok_3duhoTwZuEsbJ3vvPouRiGNwkr1oQ#Echobox=1556118732

    Might help the eco cause if they quit lying...kind of makes them look desperate.
    I don't get my environmental news from places like Netflix any more than I get political news from Facebook, so I don't know or care if they are lying.  The article you posted implies polar bears are no longer endangered... so guess  who is lying?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Netflix is lying about those falling walruses. It's another 'tragedy porn' climate hoax
    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/netflix-is-lying-about-those-falling-walruses-its-another-tragedy-porn-climate-hoax/wcm/a75131aa-21bc-4a0a-a2dc-69cca7d9a85a?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR28v6BTkWtezwVM0qSJOd4vQrDok_3duhoTwZuEsbJ3vvPouRiGNwkr1oQ#Echobox=1556118732

    Might help the eco cause if they quit lying...kind of makes them look desperate.
    I don't get my environmental news from places like Netflix any more than I get political news from Facebook, so I don't know or care if they are lying.  The article you posted implies polar bears are no longer endangered... so guess  who is lying?
    I do not really care where you get your info from.  It was just an article...maybe chill a little.  

    Plenty of people including 1st nations people who live in the polar bear habitat say the bears are fine...I will believe them over any with European blood...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Netflix is lying about those falling walruses. It's another 'tragedy porn' climate hoax
    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/netflix-is-lying-about-those-falling-walruses-its-another-tragedy-porn-climate-hoax/wcm/a75131aa-21bc-4a0a-a2dc-69cca7d9a85a?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR28v6BTkWtezwVM0qSJOd4vQrDok_3duhoTwZuEsbJ3vvPouRiGNwkr1oQ#Echobox=1556118732

    Might help the eco cause if they quit lying...kind of makes them look desperate.
    I don't get my environmental news from places like Netflix any more than I get political news from Facebook, so I don't know or care if they are lying.  The article you posted implies polar bears are no longer endangered... so guess  who is lying?
    I do not really care where you get your info from.  It was just an article...maybe chill a little.  

    Plenty of people including 1st nations people who live in the polar bear habitat say the bears are fine...I will believe them over any with European blood...
    Whoa!  OK, I'm chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillin'!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    You live in California.  If they use the same info you use to fight climate change...maybe they should try a different approach...The last time I was in California it was so smog filled, full of congestion and the trees look like they haven't been watered in years...pretty depressing if you ask me.  How come your cap n trade program has fixed the problem?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    Meltdown99 said:
    You live in California.  If they use the same info you use to fight climate change...maybe they should try a different approach...The last time I was in California it was so smog filled, full of congestion and the trees look like they haven't been watered in years...pretty depressing if you ask me.  How come your cap n trade program has fixed the problem?
    Yes, I've lived in California since 1951 with a few moves away here and there.  Yes, the place has gone to shit.  Yes, it's depressing.  Excuse, I must go and jump off the Golden Gate Bridge.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Some polar bear sub-populations appear to be in danger, while others are doing okay. If the sea ice continues to melt, it will definitely have effects on polar bears, since any population that loses its habitat is of course negatively affected.

    Some First Nations are indeed seeing more bears in their territories. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are more bears overall. Bears, like almost all animals, will move when they have to, if they lose their own habitat or if it becomes inhospitable. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    edited April 2019
    oftenreading said:
    Some polar bear sub-populations appear to be in danger, while others are doing okay. If the sea ice continues to melt, it will definitely have effects on polar bears, since any population that loses its habitat is of course negatively affected.

    Some First Nations are indeed seeing more bears in their territories. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are more bears overall. Bears, like almost all animals, will move when they have to, if they lose their own habitat or if it becomes inhospitable. 
    Not meaning to put a negative spin on this but my first thought is "it will".

    EDIT:  I myself am bothered by how negative this ^^^ sounds.  From all I've read, I'm fairly certain sea ice will continue to melt no matter what we do.  But that doesn't mean I think we should throw in the towel.  The sooner and greater we reduce carbon, the slower the warming.  It only makes sense to try unless our goal is to make earth uninhabitable for humans.  The positive spin is that the planet will survive either way.
    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    Some polar bear sub-populations appear to be in danger, while others are doing okay. If the sea ice continues to melt, it will definitely have effects on polar bears, since any population that loses its habitat is of course negatively affected.

    Some First Nations are indeed seeing more bears in their territories. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are more bears overall. Bears, like almost all animals, will move when they have to, if they lose their own habitat or if it becomes inhospitable. 
    Not meaning to put a negative spin on this but my first thought is "it will".

    EDIT:  I myself am bothered by how negative this ^^^ sounds.  From all I've read, I'm fairly certain sea ice will continue to melt no matter what we do.  But that doesn't mean I think we should throw in the towel.  The sooner and greater we reduce carbon, the slower the warming.  It only makes sense to try unless our goal is to make earth uninhabitable for humans.  The positive spin is that the planet will survive either way.

    Yes, I think you're right. In fact, as I was typing it I was thinking about the wording of "if" versus "when". 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Meltdown99 said:
    You live in California.  If they use the same info you use to fight climate change...maybe they should try a different approach...The last time I was in California it was so smog filled, full of congestion and the trees look like they haven't been watered in years...pretty depressing if you ask me.  How come your cap n trade program has fixed the problem?
    if I am reading this correctly (and if I'm not, let me know) you are saying that Brian's approach to climate change is wrong?
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Netflix is lying about those falling walruses. It's another 'tragedy porn' climate hoax
    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/netflix-is-lying-about-those-falling-walruses-its-another-tragedy-porn-climate-hoax/wcm/a75131aa-21bc-4a0a-a2dc-69cca7d9a85a?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR28v6BTkWtezwVM0qSJOd4vQrDok_3duhoTwZuEsbJ3vvPouRiGNwkr1oQ#Echobox=1556118732

    Might help the eco cause if they quit lying...kind of makes them look desperate.
    I don't get my environmental news from places like Netflix any more than I get political news from Facebook, so I don't know or care if they are lying.  The article you posted implies polar bears are no longer endangered... so guess  who is lying?
    I do not really care where you get your info from.  It was just an article...maybe chill a little.  

    Plenty of people including 1st nations people who live in the polar bear habitat say the bears are fine...I will believe them over any with European blood...
    I suppose the first nations people are the ones researching, tracking, and detailing the habits and lives and populations of these bears. 

    okee dokee. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    The polar bears are fine: Certain populations coping with a warming Arctic better than expected

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/despite-vanishing-sea-ice-canadas-polar-bears-appear-to-be-hanging-on-in-the-arctic-study-says



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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    We're all just hangin' on.


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Meltdown99 said:
    The polar bears are fine: Certain populations coping with a warming Arctic better than expected

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/despite-vanishing-sea-ice-canadas-polar-bears-appear-to-be-hanging-on-in-the-arctic-study-says




    Thanks for posting this article that agrees with my position, as above.

    As per the quotes from the article:

    To be sure, polar bear biologists remain convinced that the forecast for the world’s polar bears remains grim.

    “The underlying concept is pretty simple. Bears need sea ice as a platform from which to hunt seals,” wrote biologist Ian Stirling in an email to the National Post.


    Overlying all of this is that a polar bear is a notoriously difficult animal to count. Polar bears are loners who range across hundreds of kilometers of Arctic — sometimes in a single day.

    Meanwhile, changing conditions have dramatically shifted the species’ migration patterns. Bears no longer go to the same places that they did in the 1990s, which makes it hard to do accurate region-by-region comparisons

    First Nations elders perspective:

    Two years ago, a Northwest Territories report set out to ask Inuvialuit (Western Canadian Inuit) their view of polar bear populations. Some elders reporting no change to polar bear numbers, while others spoke of regions eerily cleared of the animals.

    “I hate to say that, but maybe there’s less bears,” said one in the Victoria Island hamlet of Ulukhaktok.

    Although Baffin Bay numbers seem to be remaining stable, the latest report does find that their body condition appears to be deteriorating.

    “The problem is, we could go along for some time thinking everything’s fine, and then populations fall off a cliff,” said Clark




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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    oftenreading said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    The polar bears are fine: Certain populations coping with a warming Arctic better than expected

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/despite-vanishing-sea-ice-canadas-polar-bears-appear-to-be-hanging-on-in-the-arctic-study-says




    Thanks for posting this article that agrees with my position, as above.

    As per the quotes from the article:

    To be sure, polar bear biologists remain convinced that the forecast for the world’s polar bears remains grim.

    “The underlying concept is pretty simple. Bears need sea ice as a platform from which to hunt seals,” wrote biologist Ian Stirling in an email to the National Post.


    Overlying all of this is that a polar bear is a notoriously difficult animal to count. Polar bears are loners who range across hundreds of kilometers of Arctic — sometimes in a single day.

    Meanwhile, changing conditions have dramatically shifted the species’ migration patterns. Bears no longer go to the same places that they did in the 1990s, which makes it hard to do accurate region-by-region comparisons

    First Nations elders perspective:

    Two years ago, a Northwest Territories report set out to ask Inuvialuit (Western Canadian Inuit) their view of polar bear populations. Some elders reporting no change to polar bear numbers, while others spoke of regions eerily cleared of the animals.

    “I hate to say that, but maybe there’s less bears,” said one in the Victoria Island hamlet of Ulukhaktok.

    Although Baffin Bay numbers seem to be remaining stable, the latest report does find that their body condition appears to be deteriorating.

    “The problem is, we could go along for some time thinking everything’s fine, and then populations fall off a cliff,” said Clark




    I'm not seeing how this confirms your having the same opinion as Meltdown.  He seems to think polar bears are doing just fine and yet your quotes seem to emphasize more the opposite. Can you clarify?

    Also, how big a factor are polar bears in the big picture?  If we are to use a single type of animal as a barometer for environmental balance and health I would think birds are a better indicator.  They are more widespread and the migrate over much greater instances than any other animal.  And if we look to birds as a barometer for environmental health we will probably not find them to be a very good sign that way.
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