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GOP party of cowards spineless individuals !Tiki said:When they get back...next week.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
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As well as their supporters/votersjosevolution said:
GOP party of cowards spineless individuals !Tiki said:When they get back...next week.0 -
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I understand and empathize the desire to address it and put it on the record. My opinion may change after hearing the testimony of McGahn and Mueller. For now, I'm loathe to do anything that increases his chances of reelection, and using history as a guide, this might.
I hate to sound like a politician, but I am data driven, so I'd like to see where independent Americans stand as well.0 -
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I personally think it's their elected duty to start impeachment proceedings based on what they are all saying they believe. To allow politics to keep you from doing your elected duty ... that's exactly part of what Trump is certainly guilty of.mrussel1 said:I understand and empathize the desire to address it and put it on the record. My opinion may change after hearing the testimony of McGahn and Mueller. For now, I'm loathe to do anything that increases his chances of reelection, and using history as a guide, this might.
I hate to sound like a politician, but I am data driven, so I'd like to see where independent Americans stand as well.hippiemom = goodness0 -
his approval rating went down like 5 points since the report came out. Putting these guys on the stand under the penalty of perjury if they lie could lead to more shit coming out. Other than the deplorables whose minds won't be changed ever I don't see how investigating him further gains him votes. hammer him until he cracks further.mrussel1 said:I understand and empathize the desire to address it and put it on the record. My opinion may change after hearing the testimony of McGahn and Mueller. For now, I'm loathe to do anything that increases his chances of reelection, and using history as a guide, this might.
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Prior to the release of the Mueller report I was with Pelosi, and thought the Dems should focus on 2020 elections and not impeachment. Once I started reading the report, read the analysis, listened to arguments in favor of impeachment, I think it is incumbent on the House to do their duty to protect the country and hold the President accountable. They need to begin impeachment proceedings immediately. Let the chips fall where they may in the Senate, but let each GOP Senator be permanently on record about whether they support the country or Trump. They can't support both. Pick one - country or Trump. And then make sure the 2020 Senate races are all about that vote.
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That's kinda my timeline as well. I now think it's their duty to start the process. It's not just about whether Trump needs to be removed but about whether future presidents come in with the expectation that laws don't apply to them. "PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT" may be the only deterrent that comes from it, but it's a must in precedent setting.jeffbr said:Prior to the release of the Mueller report I was with Pelosi, and thought the Dems should focus on 2020 elections and not impeachment. Once I started reading the report, read the analysis, listened to arguments in favor of impeachment, I think it is incumbent on the House to do their duty to protect the country and hold the President accountable. They need to begin impeachment proceedings immediately. Let the chips fall where they may in the Senate, but let each GOP Senator be permanently on record about whether they support the country or Trump. They can't support both. Pick one - country or Trump. And then make sure the 2020 Senate races are all about that vote.
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That's exactly right. And we might be surprised at who defects from Trump's cult of personality. As shown by the Tweet of the Hill Staffer, J.W. Verret, cracks in the party have started, and long-time loyalists will now potentially risk their careers to speak the truth about Trump. It is time for a reckoning.OnWis97 said:
That's kinda my timeline as well. I now think it's their duty to start the process. It's not just about whether Trump needs to be removed but about whether future presidents come in with the expectation that laws don't apply to them. "PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT" may be the only deterrent that comes from it, but it's a must in precedent setting.jeffbr said:Prior to the release of the Mueller report I was with Pelosi, and thought the Dems should focus on 2020 elections and not impeachment. Once I started reading the report, read the analysis, listened to arguments in favor of impeachment, I think it is incumbent on the House to do their duty to protect the country and hold the President accountable. They need to begin impeachment proceedings immediately. Let the chips fall where they may in the Senate, but let each GOP Senator be permanently on record about whether they support the country or Trump. They can't support both. Pick one - country or Trump. And then make sure the 2020 Senate races are all about that vote.
Don't assume the GOP-led Senate will stand by Donald Trump. MAKE them stand by him."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Testimony by McGahn and others will be in the official record. It's not necessary to start the articles on order for the testimony to be a part of the process.
The House has other, equally critical battles to wage, including the security clearance issue, which the White House has refused top cooperate with.0 -
Security clearance issue is dead in the water as the POTUS has the legal authority to grant clearances, just as they do to declassify as an exercise of their executive authority. Sure, hold hearings and get witness testimony to describe the red flags but it’s not a violation of law. Impeachment is the only way Team Trump Treason is held to some level of accountability.mrussel1 said:Testimony by McGahn and others will be in the official record. It's not necessary to start the articles on order for the testimony to be a part of the process.
The House has other, equally critical battles to wage, including the security clearance issue, which the White House has refused top cooperate with.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I would say the theory that Trump/reps would streangthen from an impeachment seems very flimsy. And based on not enough data.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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I disagree. While you're right that it's an executive branch function, it's critical that we understand who has top secret access and why they were denied initially. Depending in the circumstances, this could easily be a new article to add. I would argue that it's at least as important as the obstruction chargesHalifax2TheMax said:
Security clearance issue is dead in the water as the POTUS has the legal authority to grant clearances, just as they do to declassify as an exercise of their executive authority. Sure, hold hearings and get witness testimony to describe the red flags but it’s not a violation of law. Impeachment is the only way Team Trump Treason is held to some level of accountability.mrussel1 said:Testimony by McGahn and others will be in the official record. It's not necessary to start the articles on order for the testimony to be a part of the process.
The House has other, equally critical battles to wage, including the security clearance issue, which the White House has refused top cooperate with.0 -
I agree.jeffbr said:Prior to the release of the Mueller report I was with Pelosi, and thought the Dems should focus on 2020 elections and not impeachment. Once I started reading the report, read the analysis, listened to arguments in favor of impeachment, I think it is incumbent on the House to do their duty to protect the country and hold the President accountable. They need to begin impeachment proceedings immediately. Let the chips fall where they may in the Senate, but let each GOP Senator be permanently on record about whether they support the country or Trump. They can't support both. Pick one - country or Trump. And then make sure the 2020 Senate races are all about that vote.I LOVE MUSIC.
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You’ll (in the general sense) spend the next 20 years litigating executive privilege. Congress would need to pass s law requiring all executive branch appointments, advisers, aides, or anyone having access to classified materials would be required to go through the same security clearance process as any other executive branch employee. A formal process for exemptions would have to be established and requests vetted. All of which would have to be written so as to withstand a SC challenge as impinging upon executive privilege.mrussel1 said:
I disagree. While you're right that it's an executive branch function, it's critical that we understand who has top secret access and why they were denied initially. Depending in the circumstances, this could easily be a new article to add. I would argue that it's at least as important as the obstruction chargesHalifax2TheMax said:
Security clearance issue is dead in the water as the POTUS has the legal authority to grant clearances, just as they do to declassify as an exercise of their executive authority. Sure, hold hearings and get witness testimony to describe the red flags but it’s not a violation of law. Impeachment is the only way Team Trump Treason is held to some level of accountability.mrussel1 said:Testimony by McGahn and others will be in the official record. It's not necessary to start the articles on order for the testimony to be a part of the process.
The House has other, equally critical battles to wage, including the security clearance issue, which the White House has refused top cooperate with.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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