The Democratic Candidates

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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Hi! said:
    Biden/Harris
    Biden/Sanders
    Biden/Holder
    Biden/Booker
    Biden/Abrams
    Biden/Oprah

    Sanders/Warren 
    Sanders/Booker
    Sanders/Harris
    Sanders/Abrams

    Jordan/Barkley
    Hanks/Clooney
    Oprah/Stedman





    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    California comes early this time.

    Bernie Sanders Kamala Harris
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    everyone else included and INVOLVED as cabinet level advisors instead of acting all butt hurt...

    Cory Booker 
    Amy Klobachar
    Mayor Pete
    K. Gillibrand
    Julian Castro
    Elizabeth Warren
    Joe Biden
    even Hickenlooper

    All smart people with good ideas about policy who want to roll their sleeves up should be part of leadership...unlike the non stop bullshit we have now.

    PLATFORM and UNITY now.

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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    you get the point...I wasn't intentionally leaving out Tulsi or anyone else.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,494
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,494
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,494
    Who has the most "anti gay hecklers" -- The democratic party or the republican party? 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Who has the most "anti gay hecklers" -- The democratic party or the republican party? 
    I wouldn't assume those hecklers were Democrats. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
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  • The Juggler
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    edited April 2019
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    edited April 2019
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
    That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
    That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
    Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
     
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
    That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
    Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
     

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
    That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
    Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
     

    Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
     
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  • The Juggler
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    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
    That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
    Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
    That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
    Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.
     

    Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!
     
    I don't know. Maybe your pee trail to Russia with love (or whatever it is you always say) leads not to Trump, but to a "Trump-type," in Kraft. 
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  • OnWis97
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    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
    That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
    Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
    I don’t know that the Dem primary means a lot. The question is whether less-involved people (ie those who don’t vote in primaries) would have come out.  Or even if some Trump votes would not have occurred because Bernie doesn’t have her baggage. I think he’d have lost but I don’t think their primary totals mean much for their prospects in the general.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
    That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
    Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
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  • The Juggler
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    OnWis97 said:
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

    Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 
    If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

    Yeah, she fucking sucked
    3 million + sucked
    Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 
    Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 
    For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 
    That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"
    Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?
    I don’t know that the Dem primary means a lot. The question is whether less-involved people (ie those who don’t vote in primaries) would have come out.  Or even if some Trump votes would not have occurred because Bernie doesn’t have her baggage. I think he’d have lost but I don’t think their primary totals mean much for their prospects in the general.
    I disagree. The socialist tag would’ve done him in big time. Moderate independents would’ve been even more less likely to vote for him than her. And you can’t discount the primary. Everyone likes to say how passionate his supporters are/were....but despite all that hype he still lost rather handily. 
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