I voted for Hillary in the Virginia primary and advocated for her tirelessly on this site. That included many verbal throw downs against the Bernie fans here. I won't vote for Warren because of her policies. Do you think im sexist? Do you think im the only white male like that?
I think maybe you didn't read the article?
I did. If the only argument is that women are judged by a different standard, then I agree. But women are just as judgmental on that same physical standard as men are.
I'm reading all of these articles with the subtle context that any man that doesn't vie for a woman has some embedded sexist reason. Maybe im reading too much into it.
Then I don't understand why you asked me the questions you did. I liked this article partly because it specifically responds to your reaction of "I have supported women, do you think I'm sexist?"
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I voted for Hillary in the Virginia primary and advocated for her tirelessly on this site. That included many verbal throw downs against the Bernie fans here. I won't vote for Warren because of her policies. Do you think im sexist? Do you think im the only white male like that?
I think maybe you didn't read the article?
I did. If the only argument is that women are judged by a different standard, then I agree. But women are just as judgmental on that same physical standard as men are.
I'm reading all of these articles with the subtle context that any man that doesn't vie for a woman has some embedded sexist reason. Maybe im reading too much into it.
Then I don't understand why you asked me the questions you did. I liked this article partly because it specifically responds to your reaction of "I have supported women, do you think I'm sexist?"
How so? How do I examine my unconscious bias, when I happily pulled the lever for Hillary? That doesn't make sense. You know what else doesn't make sense? This quote from the article..
"You’re in the minority, though. American men largely do nothave faith in women as leaders. In fact, only 45 percent of American men say they are comfortable with the idea a female president."
How is 55% in the minority? And how do I answer for the 45% "majority"? I can only speak for me, and how I feel about Warren. As to Amy and Harris, I have not heard enough policy positions. Isn't that what any politician wants though? Judge him/ her on the positions.
I voted for Hillary in the Virginia primary and advocated for her tirelessly on this site. That included many verbal throw downs against the Bernie fans here. I won't vote for Warren because of her policies. Do you think im sexist? Do you think im the only white male like that?
I think maybe you didn't read the article?
I did. If the only argument is that women are judged by a different standard, then I agree. But women are just as judgmental on that same physical standard as men are.
I'm reading all of these articles with the subtle context that any man that doesn't vie for a woman has some embedded sexist reason. Maybe im reading too much into it.
Then I don't understand why you asked me the questions you did. I liked this article partly because it specifically responds to your reaction of "I have supported women, do you think I'm sexist?"
How so? How do I examine my unconscious bias, when I happily pulled the lever for Hillary? That doesn't make sense. You know what else doesn't make sense? This quote from the article..
"You’re in the minority, though. American men largely do nothave faith in women as leaders. In fact, only 45 percent of American men say they are comfortable with the idea a female president."
How is 55% in the minority? And how do I answer for the 45% "majority"? I can only speak for me, and how I feel about Warren. As to Amy and Harris, I have not heard enough policy positions. Isn't that what any politician wants though? Judge him/ her on the positions.
Huh? 45% is the minority they are referring to. Read it more carefully.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think the platform argument is off base. It's instructive that she chose fb, Google and Amazon, and left off Apple who is the closest to the legal definition of a monopoly. Amazon is the furthest.
And her idea of breaking up companies come from the view of them having a position of monopoly, right? In what way is that "dumb", if they do have that position.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
And her idea of breaking up companies come from the view of them having a position of monopoly, right? In what way is that "dumb", if they do have that position.
Because they don't meet the legal or common definition of a monopoly.
And her idea of breaking up companies come from the view of them having a position of monopoly, right? In what way is that "dumb", if they do have that position.
Because they don't meet the legal or common definition of a monopoly.
Okey. So she just goes of her own feeling about it, and doesn't have anything to back it up? Ok ok.
I doubt that is something voters even think about though. She should focus on making them pay their taxes. That, people can understand.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I voted for Hillary in the Virginia primary and advocated for her tirelessly on this site. That included many verbal throw downs against the Bernie fans here. I won't vote for Warren because of her policies. Do you think im sexist? Do you think im the only white male like that?
I think maybe you didn't read the article?
I did. If the only argument is that women are judged by a different standard, then I agree. But women are just as judgmental on that same physical standard as men are.
I'm reading all of these articles with the subtle context that any man that doesn't vie for a woman has some embedded sexist reason. Maybe im reading too much into it.
Then I don't understand why you asked me the questions you did. I liked this article partly because it specifically responds to your reaction of "I have supported women, do you think I'm sexist?"
I think that I know what you are trying to say @PJ_Soul. You aren't saying that there aren't men and women who will campaign and vote for a woman - there are many who will. The underlying point is that unless you are a woman then you really can't understand how obvious it is that the chances of a woman getting in the White House are so slim. Being a woman I have felt the double standard that exists that allows for women to be in certain places of prominence but not in others.
Women who climb the ladder to the top have to have an extremely thick skin because there are people, women included, who are biased against women being in power and are blatant about it and there is the other feeling that people don't realize that they are putting off. Every time you are, doing almost anything in life, you are aware of certain nuances and prejudices (intended or not) that exist.
It is the same kind of thing when I think about what it is like for a black person to function in America. I know things that happen to them, I have been with people when they have been treated unfairly when I wouldn't even have been noticed, I have the knowledge that these biases exist. I think it is horrible. I hate that it happens.
But my skin is white so I don't know what it FEELS like to function as a black person in society. I don't know the mindset that a black person has to ready themselves for at the beginning of the day depending on what they are about to do that day. There is no way I can ever understand what it is like to hear people locking their car doors as I walk across the street. I act differently with authority figures because I don't have the same heightened awareness that black and brown people do. I don't have to fear for my child the same way a black person would, and take precautions.
As a white woman, I have encountered harassment in every aspect of my life - high school, college, jobs, career, societal, walking down the street. It was normal for most of my life. And you just learned to deal with it. A guy could know that that happens but they can't know how it FEELS and how a woman is aware of certain limitations and how we have to adjust depending on situations. We have to ready ourselves for certain situations. Men aren't bad, they just don't have the same experience as a woman living day to day.
I am not in the least bit surprised that a black man was voted into the WH before a woman, I just never thought it would be in my lifetime. I think that a gay man could be elected before a straight white woman. There are people who are open about their feelings that a woman does not belong in high places, let alone Commander in Chief. We know this, we feel it and we fight to not be held back by the biases that some people have. It is a learned way of living.
I hope that is what you meant Alli. If not I apologize for getting it wrong.
I think the platform argument is off base. It's instructive that she chose fb, Google and Amazon, and left off Apple who is the closest to the legal definition of a monopoly. Amazon is the furthest.
She didn't leave out Apple. She included Apple by name in that video. She speaks specifically about Amazon in detail because the person who asked the question was specifically asking about Amazon.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think the platform argument is off base. It's instructive that she chose fb, Google and Amazon, and left off Apple who is the closest to the legal definition of a monopoly. Amazon is the furthest.
She didn't leave out Apple. She included Apple by name in that video. She speaks specifically about Amazon in detail because the person who asked the question was specifically asking about Amazon.
Ok. In the original announcement many weeks ago, she didn't mention apple. Their platform is much closer to a monopoly than Google, but neither fit the definition in either search or the apps.
Amazon isn't even close. There are plenty of choices in platform retail. They also don't conspire on prices.
Warren lost me at breaking up amazon. Dumbest idea in a long time. Biden 2020
Dumber than the idea of Trump doing his darndest to work for the good of the american people when he's past the Mueller report?
Why on earth would someone want to break up amazon and what benefit would it have?
Small businesses, like book stores, could perhaps thrive or at least have a fighting chance. I miss book stores, they have disappeared largely. I used to spend an inordinate amount of time in them. Full disclosure, I am an Amazon Prime member.
Warren lost me at breaking up amazon. Dumbest idea in a long time. Biden 2020
Dumber than the idea of Trump doing his darndest to work for the good of the american people when he's past the Mueller report?
Why on earth would someone want to break up amazon and what benefit would it have?
Small businesses, like book stores, could perhaps thrive or at least have a fighting chance. I miss book stores, they have disappeared largely. I used to spend an inordinate amount of time in them. Full disclosure, I am an Amazon Prime member.
So then are we going to get rid of Costco’s, Home Depot and Lowe’s next?
Warren lost me at breaking up amazon. Dumbest idea in a long time. Biden 2020
Dumber than the idea of Trump doing his darndest to work for the good of the american people when he's past the Mueller report?
Why on earth would someone want to break up amazon and what benefit would it have?
Small businesses, like book stores, could perhaps thrive or at least have a fighting chance. I miss book stores, they have disappeared largely. I used to spend an inordinate amount of time in them. Full disclosure, I am an Amazon Prime member.
Barnes and noble along with Target took them out years ago. Breaking up Amazon won't bring back family business.
You can't say monopoly and Amazon in the same sentence unless you are talking about buying the game from them instead of 1,000 other retailers online.
And you don't.. why? Because you like 2 day shipping and no hassle returns. Nothing is stopping anyone else from doing the same.
Interestingly, because Walmart and others are now getting to 2 day shipping, Amazon announced s dramatic move to get to 1 day nationwide. That's a perfect example of why they aren't a monopoly.
I voted for Hillary in the Virginia primary and advocated for her tirelessly on this site. That included many verbal throw downs against the Bernie fans here. I won't vote for Warren because of her policies. Do you think im sexist? Do you think im the only white male like that?
I think maybe you didn't read the article?
I did. If the only argument is that women are judged by a different standard, then I agree. But women are just as judgmental on that same physical standard as men are.
I'm reading all of these articles with the subtle context that any man that doesn't vie for a woman has some embedded sexist reason. Maybe im reading too much into it.
Then I don't understand why you asked me the questions you did. I liked this article partly because it specifically responds to your reaction of "I have supported women, do you think I'm sexist?"
I think that I know what you are trying to say @PJ_Soul. You aren't saying that there aren't men and women who will campaign and vote for a woman - there are many who will. The underlying point is that unless you are a woman then you really can't understand how obvious it is that the chances of a woman getting in the White House are so slim. Being a woman I have felt the double standard that exists that allows for women to be in certain places of prominence but not in others.
Women who climb the ladder to the top have to have an extremely thick skin because there are people, women included, who are biased against women being in power and are blatant about it and there is the other feeling that people don't realize that they are putting off. Every time you are, doing almost anything in life, you are aware of certain nuances and prejudices (intended or not) that exist.
It is the same kind of thing when I think about what it is like for a black person to function in America. I know things that happen to them, I have been with people when they have been treated unfairly when I wouldn't even have been noticed, I have the knowledge that these biases exist. I think it is horrible. I hate that it happens.
But my skin is white so I don't know what it FEELS like to function as a black person in society. I don't know the mindset that a black person has to ready themselves for at the beginning of the day depending on what they are about to do that day. There is no way I can ever understand what it is like to hear people locking their car doors as I walk across the street. I act differently with authority figures because I don't have the same heightened awareness that black and brown people do. I don't have to fear for my child the same way a black person would, and take precautions.
As a white woman, I have encountered harassment in every aspect of my life - high school, college, jobs, career, societal, walking down the street. It was normal for most of my life. And you just learned to deal with it. A guy could know that that happens but they can't know how it FEELS and how a woman is aware of certain limitations and how we have to adjust depending on situations. We have to ready ourselves for certain situations. Men aren't bad, they just don't have the same experience as a woman living day to day.
I am not in the least bit surprised that a black man was voted into the WH before a woman, I just never thought it would be in my lifetime. I think that a gay man could be elected before a straight white woman. There are people who are open about their feelings that a woman does not belong in high places, let alone Commander in Chief. We know this, we feel it and we fight to not be held back by the biases that some people have. It is a learned way of living.
I hope that is what you meant Alli. If not I apologize for getting it wrong.
Nancy, I can't argue enough any of this. I intellectually know it to be true. But what so I do with it? What does someone like me do differently in light of all of this?
Warren lost me at breaking up amazon. Dumbest idea in a long time. Biden 2020
Dumber than the idea of Trump doing his darndest to work for the good of the american people when he's past the Mueller report?
Why on earth would someone want to break up amazon and what benefit would it have?
Small businesses, like book stores, could perhaps thrive or at least have a fighting chance. I miss book stores, they have disappeared largely. I used to spend an inordinate amount of time in them. Full disclosure, I am an Amazon Prime member.
Barnes and noble along with Target took them out years ago. Breaking up Amazon won't bring back family business.
Just giving the first example that came to mind. I felt sad when all the bookstores started to go away because they were a place I loved to go. I can order books on line but it's not the same as walking amongst them (I'm a bibliophile, so it's my weak spot). I still miss being able to just go and hang out there for awhile.
On the other hand, I just got a shopping delivery from Whole Foods with my son's gluten free food this morning through Prime Now, I get free delivery in 2 hours and reduced prices as a member, so I appreciate Amazon as gluten free food is really expensive. I can also see how they are kind of taking over everything. It can make life so simple but the amount of stuff that they have and control is really crazy when you think about it.
Streaming music, streaming movie and television shows, audible, supermarkets and food delivery or pick up, books,music, and everything from toothpaste to clothing to HDMI cables to furniture and so much more. They are adding another feature at least once a year. So everytime they add something, that means that an industry is going to be decimated because there is just no way to compete with the convenience. I don't even know all of the perks I get with my Prime membership. It used to be 25 a year for 2 hour shipping, now it's 100 + and there is so much stuff that I'm overwhelmed.
We still have Target stores and Costco and Home Depot where I live. And there is one Barnes and Nobles in Paramus that remains. It's not convenient like my old B & N haunt but I know it's there.
I really don't know what I think about it, but it is something to ponder.
Warren lost me at breaking up amazon. Dumbest idea in a long time. Biden 2020
Dumber than the idea of Trump doing his darndest to work for the good of the american people when he's past the Mueller report?
Why on earth would someone want to break up amazon and what benefit would it have?
Small businesses, like book stores, could perhaps thrive or at least have a fighting chance. I miss book stores, they have disappeared largely. I used to spend an inordinate amount of time in them. Full disclosure, I am an Amazon Prime member.
Barnes and noble along with Target took them out years ago. Breaking up Amazon won't bring back family business.
Just giving the first example that came to mind. I felt sad when all the bookstores started to go away because they were a place I loved to go. I can order books on line but it's not the same as walking amongst them (I'm a bibliophile, so it's my weak spot). I still miss being able to just go and hang out there for awhile.
On the other hand, I just got a shopping delivery from Whole Foods with my son's gluten free food this morning through Prime Now, I get free delivery in 2 hours and reduced prices as a member, so I appreciate Amazon as gluten free food is really expensive. I can also see how they are kind of taking over everything. It can make life so simple but the amount of stuff that they have and control is really crazy when you think about it.
Streaming music, streaming movie and television shows, audible, supermarkets and food delivery or pick up, books,music, and everything from toothpaste to clothing to HDMI cables to furniture and so much more. They are adding another feature at least once a year. So everytime they add something, that means that an industry is going to be decimated because there is just no way to compete with the convenience. I don't even know all of the perks I get with my Prime membership. It used to be 25 a year for 2 hour shipping, now it's 100 + and there is so much stuff that I'm overwhelmed.
We still have Target stores and Costco and Home Depot where I live. And there is one Barnes and Nobles in Paramus that remains. It's not convenient like my old B & N haunt but I know it's there.
I really don't know what I think about it, but it is something to ponder.
Oh, you guys were referring to Target and Walmart and Costco as businesses that took away family businesses, not businesses that Amazon has taken away. I really have to think about this more before giving anymore opinions.
You can't say monopoly and Amazon in the same sentence unless you are talking about buying the game from them instead of 1,000 other retailers online.
And you don't.. why? Because you like 2 day shipping and no hassle returns. Nothing is stopping anyone else from doing the same.
Interestingly, because Walmart and others are now getting to 2 day shipping, Amazon announced s dramatic move to get to 1 day nationwide. That's a perfect example of why they aren't a monopoly.
agree. if they had a monopoly the would charge $15 for 5 day ground shipping and charge over retail price.
You can't say monopoly and Amazon in the same sentence unless you are talking about buying the game from them instead of 1,000 other retailers online.
And you don't.. why? Because you like 2 day shipping and no hassle returns. Nothing is stopping anyone else from doing the same.
Interestingly, because Walmart and others are now getting to 2 day shipping, Amazon announced s dramatic move to get to 1 day nationwide. That's a perfect example of why they aren't a monopoly.
agree. if they had a monopoly the would charge $15 for 5 day ground shipping and charge over retail price.
Exactly. That's why the charge by Warren drives me nuts. She knows better but she is pandering to an anti corporate strain, imo.
I understand what you’re all saying about the breaking up of these businesses, but what about when the candidates talk about the fact that they pay 0 in federal taxes. Do they have a point? What should a non educated voter, like myself lol, make of these statements. I’m assuming Amazon generates and pays some sort of taxes, no?
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I understand what you’re all saying about the breaking up of these businesses, but what about when the candidates talk about the fact that they pay 0 in federal taxes. Do they have a point? What should a non educated voter, like myself lol, make of these statements. I’m assuming Amazon generates and pays some sort of taxes, no?
Well there's a huge problem with the tax code, no doubt. Breaking up companies doesn't solve that. A democratic Congress and POTUS can.
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"You’re in the minority, though. American men largely do nothave faith in women as leaders. In fact, only 45 percent of American men say they are comfortable with the idea a female president."
How is 55% in the minority? And how do I answer for the 45% "majority"? I can only speak for me, and how I feel about Warren. As to Amy and Harris, I have not heard enough policy positions. Isn't that what any politician wants though? Judge him/ her on the positions.
I doubt that is something voters even think about though. She should focus on making them pay their taxes. That, people can understand.
Women who climb the ladder to the top have to have an extremely thick skin because there are people, women included, who are biased against women being in power and are blatant about it and there is the other feeling that people don't realize that they are putting off. Every time you are, doing almost anything in life, you are aware of certain nuances and prejudices (intended or not) that exist.
It is the same kind of thing when I think about what it is like for a black person to function in America. I know things that happen to them, I have been with people when they have been treated unfairly when I wouldn't even have been noticed, I have the knowledge that these biases exist. I think it is horrible. I hate that it happens.
But my skin is white so I don't know what it FEELS like to function as a black person in society. I don't know the mindset that a black person has to ready themselves for at the beginning of the day depending on what they are about to do that day. There is no way I can ever understand what it is like to hear people locking their car doors as I walk across the street. I act differently with authority figures because I don't have the same heightened awareness that black and brown people do. I don't have to fear for my child the same way a black person would, and take precautions.
As a white woman, I have encountered harassment in every aspect of my life - high school, college, jobs, career, societal, walking down the street. It was normal for most of my life. And you just learned to deal with it. A guy could know that that happens but they can't know how it FEELS and how a woman is aware of certain limitations and how we have to adjust depending on situations. We have to ready ourselves for certain situations. Men aren't bad, they just don't have the same experience as a woman living day to day.
I am not in the least bit surprised that a black man was voted into the WH before a woman, I just never thought it would be in my lifetime. I think that a gay man could be elected before a straight white woman. There are people who are open about their feelings that a woman does not belong in high places, let alone Commander in Chief. We know this, we feel it and we fight to not be held back by the biases that some people have. It is a learned way of living.
I hope that is what you meant Alli. If not I apologize for getting it wrong.
Amazon isn't even close. There are plenty of choices in platform retail. They also don't conspire on prices.
Interestingly, because Walmart and others are now getting to 2 day shipping, Amazon announced s dramatic move to get to 1 day nationwide. That's a perfect example of why they aren't a monopoly.
On the other hand, I just got a shopping delivery from Whole Foods with my son's gluten free food this morning through Prime Now, I get free delivery in 2 hours and reduced prices as a member, so I appreciate Amazon as gluten free food is really expensive. I can also see how they are kind of taking over everything. It can make life so simple but the amount of stuff that they have and control is really crazy when you think about it.
Streaming music, streaming movie and television shows, audible, supermarkets and food delivery or pick up, books,music, and everything from toothpaste to clothing to HDMI cables to furniture and so much more. They are adding another feature at least once a year. So everytime they add something, that means that an industry is going to be decimated because there is just no way to compete with the convenience. I don't even know all of the perks I get with my Prime membership. It used to be 25 a year for 2 hour shipping, now it's 100 + and there is so much stuff that I'm overwhelmed.
We still have Target stores and Costco and Home Depot where I live. And there is one Barnes and Nobles in Paramus that remains. It's not convenient like my old B & N haunt but I know it's there.
I really don't know what I think about it, but it is something to ponder.
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