Donald Trump

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

So I take it that most folks here would be ok if America said fuck off Saudi Arabia & fuck off Israel ? Cause I’d be ok with that ! 

Can we add NK, Russia and China?

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

So people aren’t clear now on the difference between publicity photos and policy decisions? 

Are you sure you're clear on the Obama admins policy decisions on Saudi Arabia?

Record arms deals arent a big deal maybe? 

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

The Juggler said:

Tiki said:

this is NOW, like today.

Distracted yet?

Seriously. WTF? Let's debate something that happened a decade ago instead of being worried about what is happening RIGHT NOW. What kind of sense does that make? None. 

I agree. It's clearly a defense mechanism that allows people to look in the past because they want to turn a blind eye to what is occurring right now. I still can't comprehend how anyone can support Trump. He is, BY FAR, one of the worst (if not the worst) presidents in history. 

I'm sure that's true for some, but my2hands isn't a trump supporter. he is merely pointing out that history doesn't start with Jan 20/17. while trump is an awful person and president, it's ok to point out that not everything he does starts with him. 

I mean, how many people blamed GWB for the mess of the mid east when Obama was prez? was that "looking to the past"? no, it was ok to do then, because it was the truth of how we got to where we're at. we don't have to erase history merely because it might make us uncomfortable. 

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

oftenreading said:

So people aren’t clear now on the difference between publicity photos and policy decisions? 

Are you sure you're clear on the Obama admins policy decisions on Saudi Arabia?

Record arms deals arent a big deal maybe? 

Are you arguing that today,  after the murder Khashoggi, after the human crisis in Yeman, after all that has transpired,  Obama would have vetoed the resolution?

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

The Juggler said:

Tiki said:

this is NOW, like today.

Distracted yet?

Seriously. WTF? Let's debate something that happened a decade ago instead of being worried about what is happening RIGHT NOW. What kind of sense does that make? None. 

I agree. It's clearly a defense mechanism that allows people to look in the past because they want to turn a blind eye to what is occurring right now. I still can't comprehend how anyone can support Trump. He is, BY FAR, one of the worst (if not the worst) presidents in history. 

I'm sure that's true for some, but my2hands isn't a trump supporter. he is merely pointing out that history doesn't start with Jan 20/17. while trump is an awful person and president, it's ok to point out that not everything he does starts with him. 

I mean, how many people blamed GWB for the mess of the mid east when Obama was prez? was that "looking to the past"? no, it was ok to do then, because it was the truth of how we got to where we're at. we don't have to erase history merely because it might make us uncomfortable. 

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

The Juggler said:

Tiki said:

this is NOW, like today.

Distracted yet?

Seriously. WTF? Let's debate something that happened a decade ago instead of being worried about what is happening RIGHT NOW. What kind of sense does that make? None. 

I agree. It's clearly a defense mechanism that allows people to look in the past because they want to turn a blind eye to what is occurring right now. I still can't comprehend how anyone can support Trump. He is, BY FAR, one of the worst (if not the worst) presidents in history. 

I'm sure that's true for some, but my2hands isn't a trump supporter. he is merely pointing out that history doesn't start with Jan 20/17. while trump is an awful person and president, it's ok to point out that not everything he does starts with him. 

I mean, how many people blamed GWB for the mess of the mid east when Obama was prez? was that "looking to the past"? no, it was ok to do then, because it was the truth of how we got to where we're at. we don't have to erase history merely because it might make us uncomfortable. 

No no no, come on. I'm not sure if he's doing this on purpose or if he's just ignorant to the fact that this guy ORDERED THE MURDER OF AN AMERICAN JOURNALIST just a few months ago and our president is just brushing that aside, despite bipartisan warnings from congress. CONTEXT is hugely important regarding this guy right now. 

To ignore that fact is either out of laziness or ignorance or trolliness. 

tbergs said:

my2hands said:

The Juggler said:

Tiki said:

this is NOW, like today.

Distracted yet?

Seriously. WTF? Let's debate something that happened a decade ago instead of being worried about what is happening RIGHT NOW. What kind of sense does that make? None. 

Because that's where it started?

If we never got involved, we wouldn't be relying on Trump to end it

Now you guys just want to ignore history? Lol

Where does any of this all really originate from though? You (figuratively) can't keep picking and choosing a starting and ending time to suit the point for these issues. Why not trace it back to the beginning of the last century when the US began trying to influence and control foreign countries, particularly the middle east? That surely has more to do with where things are at today than the last few presidents. The current one doesn't seem to give a shit right now, today, so that is what is being discussed. If Obama or any other prior president were doing this right now, today, then they would get the same backlash, but Fox would be running headlines non-stop about how it was another indicator of him being a foreign born Muslim tarnishing America the beautiful. There are still people who care no matter what party occupies the WH,

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mfc2006 said:

The Juggler said:

Tiki said:

this is NOW, like today.

Distracted yet?

Seriously. WTF? Let's debate something that happened a decade ago instead of being worried about what is happening RIGHT NOW. What kind of sense does that make? None. 

I agree. It's clearly a defense mechanism that allows people to look in the past because they want to turn a blind eye to what is occurring right now. I still can't comprehend how anyone can support Trump. He is, BY FAR, one of the worst (if not the worst) presidents in history. 

I'm sure that's true for some, but my2hands isn't a trump supporter. he is merely pointing out that history doesn't start with Jan 20/17. while trump is an awful person and president, it's ok to point out that not everything he does starts with him. 

I mean, how many people blamed GWB for the mess of the mid east when Obama was prez? was that "looking to the past"? no, it was ok to do then, because it was the truth of how we got to where we're at. we don't have to erase history merely because it might make us uncomfortable. 

No no no, come on. I'm not sure if he's doing this on purpose or if he's just ignorant to the fact that this guy ORDERED THE MURDER OF AN AMERICAN JOURNALIST just a few months ago and our president is just brushing that aside, despite bipartisan warnings from congress. CONTEXT is hugely important regarding this guy right now. 

To ignore that fact is either out of laziness or ignorance or trolliness. 

yeah, so the guy was Mr Rodgers up until that point. Ok. 

Strange, I can't find any reference to Mr. Rodgers in his comment.

my2hands said:

Yes, Saudi human rights abuses started when they killed a journalist.... i'm also sure that was the first assasination by them lol

Fucking hilarious