The Democratic Candidates

cincybearcat said:

curmudgeoness said:

cincybearcat said:

curmudgeoness said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Pete: "I believe in democratic capitalism". What the hell is that. 

"Democratic Capitalism" sounds like a way to lure moderates and republicans? "DON'T MENTION "SOCIALISM"!. Is it to contrast other candidates like Bernie that is more outspoken progressive and who's not afraid to say that Europe (with its democratic socialistic tradition) does things differently for a good reason (health care etc)?

Thank god for the Social Democratic values that has run through and shaped this country for the last 100+ years.

I'M CLOSE TO JUMPING SHIP ON PETE! 

Democratic capitalism -- what he was saying was, he's not against capitalism but we should not prioritize it over the well-being of our citizens. That's as close to a direct quote as I can muster without spending two hours poring over videos of interviews.

He also has discussed his use of a moderate tone -- to really get things done, you need to stop yelling and scaring people away. Meet them where they are, couch things in language they can understand.

For better or worse, we are not Europe. This is an enormous and enormously diverse country and, while we actually hear a lot about how Scandinavian countries are doing things better than we are, the idea of imposing that sort of radical change is going to scare away, dare I say, millions of people.

Pete's theme -- see his new campaign materials -- is, build bridges, not walls. The rifts in our society are large and growing. I believe we need a candidate who can:

1) defeat the current president

2) help mend those rifts -- that includes lowering the volume on national debates. There is SO MUCH YELLING, be it inter-party or intra-party. That needs to stop.

I think Pete can do both of those things. I don't think Bernie can do either of them.

I'll never, ever, ever vote for Agent Orange. But if Bernie Sanders is the Democratic nominee, I don't know if I can vote for him. I certainly couldn't watch the debates ( again, SO MUCH YELLING). I would easily, readily, happily, enthusiastically vote for anyone other than Sanders or Gabbard. I follow several conservatives who are vehemently opposed to the current president. Rick Wilson, a former GOP strategist, keeps saying: Democrats, if you nominate Bernie, you are forcing a lot of voters to make a choice between him and 45, and in so doing you are virtually guaranteeing another four years of this hell. Yes, I saw yesterday's stories saying Sanders could prevail, but, frankly, I'm not convinced of that. I'm deeply distressed by what we have now, but when i look at Sanders I just don't see anything I like (and I turn down the volume, because SO MUCH YELLING).

Be careful saying you won't vote for Bernie over trump.

Didn't say that. Nothing could make me vote for Agent Orange. Nothing. But voting for Bernie would be a tough pill for me to swallow. My point was more that there are a lot of swing voters, less motivated than I am, who will stick with what they have rather than vote for Bernie. 

I said earlier in this thread that I couldn’t vote for Bernie (and never for trump) and would vote 3rd party. Watch out for the wolves!  

I agree with you.

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

curmudgeoness said:

cincybearcat said:

curmudgeoness said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Pete: "I believe in democratic capitalism". What the hell is that. 

"Democratic Capitalism" sounds like a way to lure moderates and republicans? "DON'T MENTION "SOCIALISM"!. Is it to contrast other candidates like Bernie that is more outspoken progressive and who's not afraid to say that Europe (with its democratic socialistic tradition) does things differently for a good reason (health care etc)?

Thank god for the Social Democratic values that has run through and shaped this country for the last 100+ years.

I'M CLOSE TO JUMPING SHIP ON PETE! 

Democratic capitalism -- what he was saying was, he's not against capitalism but we should not prioritize it over the well-being of our citizens. That's as close to a direct quote as I can muster without spending two hours poring over videos of interviews.

He also has discussed his use of a moderate tone -- to really get things done, you need to stop yelling and scaring people away. Meet them where they are, couch things in language they can understand.

For better or worse, we are not Europe. This is an enormous and enormously diverse country and, while we actually hear a lot about how Scandinavian countries are doing things better than we are, the idea of imposing that sort of radical change is going to scare away, dare I say, millions of people.

Pete's theme -- see his new campaign materials -- is, build bridges, not walls. The rifts in our society are large and growing. I believe we need a candidate who can:

1) defeat the current president

2) help mend those rifts -- that includes lowering the volume on national debates. There is SO MUCH YELLING, be it inter-party or intra-party. That needs to stop.

I think Pete can do both of those things. I don't think Bernie can do either of them.

I'll never, ever, ever vote for Agent Orange. But if Bernie Sanders is the Democratic nominee, I don't know if I can vote for him. I certainly couldn't watch the debates ( again, SO MUCH YELLING). I would easily, readily, happily, enthusiastically vote for anyone other than Sanders or Gabbard. I follow several conservatives who are vehemently opposed to the current president. Rick Wilson, a former GOP strategist, keeps saying: Democrats, if you nominate Bernie, you are forcing a lot of voters to make a choice between him and 45, and in so doing you are virtually guaranteeing another four years of this hell. Yes, I saw yesterday's stories saying Sanders could prevail, but, frankly, I'm not convinced of that. I'm deeply distressed by what we have now, but when i look at Sanders I just don't see anything I like (and I turn down the volume, because SO MUCH YELLING).

Be careful saying you won't vote for Bernie over trump.

Didn't say that. Nothing could make me vote for Agent Orange. Nothing. But voting for Bernie would be a tough pill for me to swallow. My point was more that there are a lot of swing voters, less motivated than I am, who will stick with what they have rather than vote for Bernie. 

I said earlier in this thread that I couldn’t vote for Bernie (and never for trump) and would vote 3rd party. Watch out for the wolves!  

I agree with you.

I'm sorry, you continue to play the martyr on this one.  No one attacked you.  You're teh one that told someone to fuck off after it was said to "go back to civics class".  Get off the cross already.

Just warning the guy. Put down the hammer

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

cincybearcat said:

curmudgeoness said:

cincybearcat said:

curmudgeoness said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Pete: "I believe in democratic capitalism". What the hell is that. 

"Democratic Capitalism" sounds like a way to lure moderates and republicans? "DON'T MENTION "SOCIALISM"!. Is it to contrast other candidates like Bernie that is more outspoken progressive and who's not afraid to say that Europe (with its democratic socialistic tradition) does things differently for a good reason (health care etc)?

Thank god for the Social Democratic values that has run through and shaped this country for the last 100+ years.

I'M CLOSE TO JUMPING SHIP ON PETE! 

Democratic capitalism -- what he was saying was, he's not against capitalism but we should not prioritize it over the well-being of our citizens. That's as close to a direct quote as I can muster without spending two hours poring over videos of interviews.

He also has discussed his use of a moderate tone -- to really get things done, you need to stop yelling and scaring people away. Meet them where they are, couch things in language they can understand.

For better or worse, we are not Europe. This is an enormous and enormously diverse country and, while we actually hear a lot about how Scandinavian countries are doing things better than we are, the idea of imposing that sort of radical change is going to scare away, dare I say, millions of people.

Pete's theme -- see his new campaign materials -- is, build bridges, not walls. The rifts in our society are large and growing. I believe we need a candidate who can:

1) defeat the current president

2) help mend those rifts -- that includes lowering the volume on national debates. There is SO MUCH YELLING, be it inter-party or intra-party. That needs to stop.

I think Pete can do both of those things. I don't think Bernie can do either of them.

I'll never, ever, ever vote for Agent Orange. But if Bernie Sanders is the Democratic nominee, I don't know if I can vote for him. I certainly couldn't watch the debates ( again, SO MUCH YELLING). I would easily, readily, happily, enthusiastically vote for anyone other than Sanders or Gabbard. I follow several conservatives who are vehemently opposed to the current president. Rick Wilson, a former GOP strategist, keeps saying: Democrats, if you nominate Bernie, you are forcing a lot of voters to make a choice between him and 45, and in so doing you are virtually guaranteeing another four years of this hell. Yes, I saw yesterday's stories saying Sanders could prevail, but, frankly, I'm not convinced of that. I'm deeply distressed by what we have now, but when i look at Sanders I just don't see anything I like (and I turn down the volume, because SO MUCH YELLING).

Be careful saying you won't vote for Bernie over trump.

Didn't say that. Nothing could make me vote for Agent Orange. Nothing. But voting for Bernie would be a tough pill for me to swallow. My point was more that there are a lot of swing voters, less motivated than I am, who will stick with what they have rather than vote for Bernie. 

I said earlier in this thread that I couldn’t vote for Bernie (and never for trump) and would vote 3rd party. Watch out for the wolves!  

I agree with you.

I'm sorry, you continue to play the martyr on this one.  No one attacked you.  You're teh one that told someone to fuck off after it was said to "go back to civics class".  Get off the cross already.

Just warning the guy. Put down the hammer

this Easter... the Passion of Cincy Bear...

Plenty of choices for pompous pilot round here....er Pontius I meant of course

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I'm feeling left out of this discussion. 

Can we get back to Pete?

curmudgeoness said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I'm feeling left out of this discussion. 

Can we get back to Pete?

Sure (and btw I'm female).

I'll reiterate that I think it's well worth taking the time to watch his interview with Rachel Maddow.

I have MSNBC on right now; Chuck Todd was talking to Markos Moulitsas (Daily Kos) about Sanders' appearance on Fox last night. Kos thinks going on Fox is a waste of time, thinks Pete shouldn't do a town hall on Fox, should "focus on the base" instead.

Pete already went on Fox and was interviewed by Chris Wallace.

And I'd really, really, really like to see a return of consensus builders rather than a focus on pleasing/ placating "the base," be they on the left or the right. Whoever is elected (and I wish someone would tell our current president this), they are President for ALL Americans. Nothing good can come from actively othering and ostracizing big chunks of the population.

Which brings me back to Pete and building bridges. I'd like people to stop yelling. I think there's something to be said for seeking common ground and building from there. Look: People are talking about how amazing it is that a presidential candidate is able to kiss HIS HUSBAND in front of the cameras right after announcing his candidacy. I firmly believe that the progress that has been made on issues such as marriage equality is due in large part to queer people's willingness to be out and visible. Once you realize that "teh gayz" are not scary monsters coming to break up your marriage, they're just your neighbor's son, the person in the cubicle next to yours, the barista at your favorite coffee shop, you realize that they are ordinary, boring, flesh and blood humans, just like yourself, and why shouldn't Pat be able to marry the person they love, just like you did? They're just people, who want to fall in love, have a family, build a life for themselves. The same could be said of Mexicans, Muslims, MAGAts and libtards, right? Consensus is built, problems are solved, a way forward is found only after common ground is established. I learned this from Star Trek: TNG, so it must be true. :-)

Pete's out to build bridges.