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Sounds bogus. Why would the greatest country in the world have something as undemocratic and Soviet-like as voter suppression."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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So we're clear, are we still talking about the 9% of black democrats my2hands made reference to that voted in 2012 but not in 2016? Because if we are, okay, they're disenfranchised and angry because this democracy that works so well for my white ass doesn't work for them. They'll put aside their anger at this system to come out and vote for a black candidate like Obama. But they won't come out and vote for Hillary Clinton, who was appointed by Obama to SOS, endorsed by Obama to be the President, and whose polices are, for the most part, the same as Obama's? Maybe my2hands is right. That might be racist; to enthusiastically vote for Obama, but not vote for someone who is like Obama in every way except for the color of her skin.PJ_Soul said:
That is easy for white people to say. I think you're underestimating the pain and disenfranchisement and anger in involved here. It's fine and dandy to nobly uphold the principle of participating in democracy, but when it feels like all that often-touted democracy has done for you and yours is to cause suffering and injustice and rage, it's not so clear cut, right?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh well then that I don't agree with. I think they could protest with their vote. Even if it's for some third-party candidate.PJ_Soul said:
In protest of the terrible racial inequality in politics and society, or total disengagement in the process for the same reason.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ok I got you there (that it's not racist for them to not bother to vote in 2016) but I'm confused as to what the decent reason not to is that you're referencing.PJ_Soul said:
I'm not saying there are good reasons not to vote (although IF there is a decent reason not to, that's about the only one, seriously). I'm just saying that that particular reason for black people not to vote isn't racist.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah I don't think it's racist that those black democrats didn't get out to vote in 2016 like they did in the Obama elections. But I also don't think historical inequality is a good excuse for them not getting out to vote. You noted that the playing field isn't level....and you're right. And that's all the more reason for them to get out and vote. A poor black women's vote counts the same as a rich white man's. They have to take advantage of that particular equality.PJ_Soul said:
No, it wasn't. I think when you're thinking about racism (or sexism probably), you're failing to acknowledge the terrible inequity of power involved, both historically and currently. That inequity really really matters, and changes everything when considering what is and isn't racist (or sexist). You act like it's all a level playing field or something.my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
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Here we go again..... evil racists voted for a black guy twice, then realized they were racist and voted Trump... yeah, i call bullshit, doesnt even pass a sniff test.....Go Beavers said:
Low voter turnout is weaksauce. More like racist Obama voters switched to trump in 2016:my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
Everyone scared to touch that one? Lol
“A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm
Fact: black support for the democratic candidate fell 9% nationally between 2012-2016... even more so from 2008...
Black turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin!!!!!! Hillary lost that state by less than 1% right?
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/study-black-voter-turnout-in-wisconsin-declined-by-nearly-one/article_d3e72e41-96a0-51fb-83ba-11dfc6693daf.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/why-black-voters-in-milwaukee-werent-enthused-by-clinton.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html
Soak in those articles my fellow AMT'ers then get back to me.....
Hillary also LOST white women in 2016 nationally....
So can we stop with the Russian memes and bullshit forcefed narrative that sexism and white racism lost the election..... the black vote dropped fucking 19% in Wisconsin.... i'm sure someone will find a way to still blame it on Putin, or evil white people lol
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I defended your other thread earlier as being non-bashing in nature because i didnt think it was, but this is just trolling bullshit and is why you get labeled such. No one in this thread is claiming to be the greatest country or saying that issues don't exist. Once your country is perfect feel free to be an arrogant jackass all the time and we'll respond accordingly, with crickets, but until then you better check yo-self.Spiritual_Chaos said:Sounds bogus. Why would the greatest country in the world have something as undemocratic and Soviet-like as voter suppression.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
I know its become trendy to blame white penises for everything, but that garbage doesn't fly with me, sorry.
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Putin on the ritz’s or Team Trump Treason’s?my2hands said:I know its become trendy to blame white penises for everything, but that garbage doesn't fly with me, sorry.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Because the democratic party has no history of nominating young white guys. Got it. I won't even try to debate because it requires suspension of reality.my2hands said:
That's what a hypothesis is, making shit up and seeing if it's true or notmrussel1 said:
That is just trolling. I know it's the internet but that's literally just making shit up.my2hands said:If Obama was white, he wouldn't have been the nominee, and he wouldn't have won
How about that for a hypothesis?
I think it's true
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Yes, I'm talking about them still, lol. And no, that's not racist for the reasons I already said. Also, Hillary Clinton is NOT like Obama in every except for the colour of her skin. Not even close.Ledbetterman10 said:
So we're clear, are we still talking about the 9% of black democrats my2hands made reference to that voted in 2012 but not in 2016? Because if we are, okay, they're disenfranchised and angry because this democracy that works so well for my white ass doesn't work for them. They'll put aside their anger at this system to come out and vote for a black candidate like Obama. But they won't come out and vote for Hillary Clinton, who was appointed by Obama to SOS, endorsed by Obama to be the President, and whose polices are, for the most part, the same as Obama's? Maybe my2hands is right. That might be racist; to enthusiastically vote for Obama, but not vote for someone who is like Obama in every way except for the color of her skin.PJ_Soul said:
That is easy for white people to say. I think you're underestimating the pain and disenfranchisement and anger in involved here. It's fine and dandy to nobly uphold the principle of participating in democracy, but when it feels like all that often-touted democracy has done for you and yours is to cause suffering and injustice and rage, it's not so clear cut, right?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh well then that I don't agree with. I think they could protest with their vote. Even if it's for some third-party candidate.PJ_Soul said:
In protest of the terrible racial inequality in politics and society, or total disengagement in the process for the same reason.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ok I got you there (that it's not racist for them to not bother to vote in 2016) but I'm confused as to what the decent reason not to is that you're referencing.PJ_Soul said:
I'm not saying there are good reasons not to vote (although IF there is a decent reason not to, that's about the only one, seriously). I'm just saying that that particular reason for black people not to vote isn't racist.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah I don't think it's racist that those black democrats didn't get out to vote in 2016 like they did in the Obama elections. But I also don't think historical inequality is a good excuse for them not getting out to vote. You noted that the playing field isn't level....and you're right. And that's all the more reason for them to get out and vote. A poor black women's vote counts the same as a rich white man's. They have to take advantage of that particular equality.PJ_Soul said:
No, it wasn't. I think when you're thinking about racism (or sexism probably), you're failing to acknowledge the terrible inequity of power involved, both historically and currently. That inequity really really matters, and changes everything when considering what is and isn't racist (or sexist). You act like it's all a level playing field or something.my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
Everyone scared to touch that one? Lol
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Okay so American politics and society have terrible racial inequality, and that 9% didn't vote in protest of that in 2016. But they did come out to vote in 2012. And fine, I'll concede that it's not racist. But it's something, right? Maybe I just can't articulate what it is (or rather not).PJ_Soul said:
Yes, I'm talking about them still, lol. And no, that's not racist for the reasons I already said. Also, Hillary Clinton is NOT like Obama in every except for the colour of her skin. Not even close.Ledbetterman10 said:
So we're clear, are we still talking about the 9% of black democrats my2hands made reference to that voted in 2012 but not in 2016? Because if we are, okay, they're disenfranchised and angry because this democracy that works so well for my white ass doesn't work for them. They'll put aside their anger at this system to come out and vote for a black candidate like Obama. But they won't come out and vote for Hillary Clinton, who was appointed by Obama to SOS, endorsed by Obama to be the President, and whose polices are, for the most part, the same as Obama's? Maybe my2hands is right. That might be racist; to enthusiastically vote for Obama, but not vote for someone who is like Obama in every way except for the color of her skin.PJ_Soul said:
That is easy for white people to say. I think you're underestimating the pain and disenfranchisement and anger in involved here. It's fine and dandy to nobly uphold the principle of participating in democracy, but when it feels like all that often-touted democracy has done for you and yours is to cause suffering and injustice and rage, it's not so clear cut, right?Ledbetterman10 said:
Oh well then that I don't agree with. I think they could protest with their vote. Even if it's for some third-party candidate.PJ_Soul said:
In protest of the terrible racial inequality in politics and society, or total disengagement in the process for the same reason.Ledbetterman10 said:
Ok I got you there (that it's not racist for them to not bother to vote in 2016) but I'm confused as to what the decent reason not to is that you're referencing.PJ_Soul said:
I'm not saying there are good reasons not to vote (although IF there is a decent reason not to, that's about the only one, seriously). I'm just saying that that particular reason for black people not to vote isn't racist.Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah I don't think it's racist that those black democrats didn't get out to vote in 2016 like they did in the Obama elections. But I also don't think historical inequality is a good excuse for them not getting out to vote. You noted that the playing field isn't level....and you're right. And that's all the more reason for them to get out and vote. A poor black women's vote counts the same as a rich white man's. They have to take advantage of that particular equality.PJ_Soul said:
No, it wasn't. I think when you're thinking about racism (or sexism probably), you're failing to acknowledge the terrible inequity of power involved, both historically and currently. That inequity really really matters, and changes everything when considering what is and isn't racist (or sexist). You act like it's all a level playing field or something.my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
Everyone scared to touch that one? Lol
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Now that you mention Putin, he did want trump to win. Fueling a “crooked Hillary” narrative certainly didn’t inspire high turnout.my2hands said:
Here we go again..... evil racists voted for a black guy twice, then realized they were racist and voted Trump... yeah, i call bullshit, doesnt even pass a sniff test.....Go Beavers said:
Low voter turnout is weaksauce. More like racist Obama voters switched to trump in 2016:my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
Everyone scared to touch that one? Lol
“A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm
Fact: black support for the democratic candidate fell 9% nationally between 2012-2016... even more so from 2008...
Black turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin!!!!!! Hillary lost that state by less than 1% right?
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/study-black-voter-turnout-in-wisconsin-declined-by-nearly-one/article_d3e72e41-96a0-51fb-83ba-11dfc6693daf.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/why-black-voters-in-milwaukee-werent-enthused-by-clinton.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html
Soak in those articles my fellow AMT'ers then get back to me.....
Hillary also LOST white women in 2016 nationally....
So can we stop with the Russian memes and bullshit forcefed narrative that sexism and white racism lost the election..... the black vote dropped fucking 19% in Wisconsin.... i'm sure someone will find a way to still blame it on Putin, or evil white people lol
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https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/04/01/trump-health-care-reform-1247632
Yet he wants to just take health care away from 20 million with no fucking plan to replace it in other words fuck you & your health..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
GOP have had 10 fucking yrs to come up with a replacement plan of Obamacare yet all they do is bad mouth it for how bad it is yet they can’t come up with a plan of their own ..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Lol, pretty weak rebuttal....Go Beavers said:
Now that you mention Putin, he did want trump to win. Fueling a “crooked Hillary” narrative certainly didn’t inspire high turnout.my2hands said:
Here we go again..... evil racists voted for a black guy twice, then realized they were racist and voted Trump... yeah, i call bullshit, doesnt even pass a sniff test.....Go Beavers said:
Low voter turnout is weaksauce. More like racist Obama voters switched to trump in 2016:my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
Everyone scared to touch that one? Lol
“A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm
Fact: black support for the democratic candidate fell 9% nationally between 2012-2016... even more so from 2008...
Black turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin!!!!!! Hillary lost that state by less than 1% right?
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/study-black-voter-turnout-in-wisconsin-declined-by-nearly-one/article_d3e72e41-96a0-51fb-83ba-11dfc6693daf.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/why-black-voters-in-milwaukee-werent-enthused-by-clinton.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html
Soak in those articles my fellow AMT'ers then get back to me.....
Hillary also LOST white women in 2016 nationally....
So can we stop with the Russian memes and bullshit forcefed narrative that sexism and white racism lost the election..... the black vote dropped fucking 19% in Wisconsin.... i'm sure someone will find a way to still blame it on Putin, or evil white people lol
Black voter turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin. Putin didn't win the election, the Democrats LOST the election
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Black voter turnout did not drop 19% in Wisconsin. It dropped 19% in the one zip code your posted links referenced, one of which was a paraphrase of the NYT article you posted in the same post. Stop misrepresenting facts to fit your bias. Also, love how you gloss over the references to voter suppression via new voter ID laws that were implemented by a repub governor. Just stop. LOL.my2hands said:
Lol, pretty weak rebuttal....Go Beavers said:
Now that you mention Putin, he did want trump to win. Fueling a “crooked Hillary” narrative certainly didn’t inspire high turnout.my2hands said:
Here we go again..... evil racists voted for a black guy twice, then realized they were racist and voted Trump... yeah, i call bullshit, doesnt even pass a sniff test.....Go Beavers said:
Low voter turnout is weaksauce. More like racist Obama voters switched to trump in 2016:my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
Everyone scared to touch that one? Lol
“A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm
Fact: black support for the democratic candidate fell 9% nationally between 2012-2016... even more so from 2008...
Black turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin!!!!!! Hillary lost that state by less than 1% right?
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/study-black-voter-turnout-in-wisconsin-declined-by-nearly-one/article_d3e72e41-96a0-51fb-83ba-11dfc6693daf.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/why-black-voters-in-milwaukee-werent-enthused-by-clinton.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html
Soak in those articles my fellow AMT'ers then get back to me.....
Hillary also LOST white women in 2016 nationally....
So can we stop with the Russian memes and bullshit forcefed narrative that sexism and white racism lost the election..... the black vote dropped fucking 19% in Wisconsin.... i'm sure someone will find a way to still blame it on Putin, or evil white people lol
Black voter turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin. Putin didn't win the election, the Democrats LOST the election
The sooner everybody starts dealing with reality, the sooner we can try and win 2020.
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I agree the Muller report will come out at some point the only thing I’d question is , if it’s so good for the Baffoon and makes him so innocent why has he not just pushed it to the forefront of the news cycle? Wouldn’t he want everyone to see how exonerated he really is ?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Incorrect... the article clearly states it was 19% statewide. A huge portion of the states black population lives in the Mikwaukee area so a large number of that 19% likely is from MilwaukeeHalifax2TheMax said:
Black voter turnout did not drop 19% in Wisconsin. It dropped 19% in the one zip code your posted links referenced, one of which was a paraphrase of the NYT article you posted in the same post. Stop misrepresenting facts to fit your bias. Also, love how you gloss over the references to voter suppression via new voter ID laws that were implemented by a repub governor. Just stop. LOL.my2hands said:
Lol, pretty weak rebuttal....Go Beavers said:
Now that you mention Putin, he did want trump to win. Fueling a “crooked Hillary” narrative certainly didn’t inspire high turnout.my2hands said:
Here we go again..... evil racists voted for a black guy twice, then realized they were racist and voted Trump... yeah, i call bullshit, doesnt even pass a sniff test.....Go Beavers said:
Low voter turnout is weaksauce. More like racist Obama voters switched to trump in 2016:my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
Everyone scared to touch that one? Lol
“A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm
Fact: black support for the democratic candidate fell 9% nationally between 2012-2016... even more so from 2008...
Black turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin!!!!!! Hillary lost that state by less than 1% right?
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/study-black-voter-turnout-in-wisconsin-declined-by-nearly-one/article_d3e72e41-96a0-51fb-83ba-11dfc6693daf.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/why-black-voters-in-milwaukee-werent-enthused-by-clinton.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html
Soak in those articles my fellow AMT'ers then get back to me.....
Hillary also LOST white women in 2016 nationally....
So can we stop with the Russian memes and bullshit forcefed narrative that sexism and white racism lost the election..... the black vote dropped fucking 19% in Wisconsin.... i'm sure someone will find a way to still blame it on Putin, or evil white people lol
Black voter turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin. Putin didn't win the election, the Democrats LOST the election
The sooner everybody starts dealing with reality, the sooner we can try and win 2020.
Sorry I have no sympathy for adults that dont have an ID, in the 21st century that's not voter suppression, that's just being lazy. The people interviewed that didnt vote didnt say peep about not being able to vote, they said they had no interest in voting.
Do we really need to argue whether blacks were more energized by Obama than Hillary? Lol The black guy wasnt on the ticket, and Democrats, especially the Clintons, only pander to blacks for their vote. PJ_Soul touched on it, and so did the gentelmen from the articles. And for the most part they are right.
But feel free to continue with the Putin Derangement Syndrome, it's a good look for some people lol0 -
Show me where the NYT article “clearly states” it was 19% “statewide.” I couldn’t open the first article. Further, Team Trump Treason carried non-college educated white women by 2% and lost college educated by 6%. You also continue to ignore the effect of voter ID laws in that it wasn’t just a photo ID was required but that they also changed what or how residency was defined and what was required to get the ID and be on the rolls. Keep blaming a singular reason for the loss, ignoring all other factors. It’s a good look for your biases and holier than thou approach to election digestion. LOL.my2hands said:
Incorrect... the article clearly states it was 19% statewide. A huge portion of the states black population lives in the Mikwaukee area so a large number of that 19% likely is from MilwaukeeHalifax2TheMax said:
Black voter turnout did not drop 19% in Wisconsin. It dropped 19% in the one zip code your posted links referenced, one of which was a paraphrase of the NYT article you posted in the same post. Stop misrepresenting facts to fit your bias. Also, love how you gloss over the references to voter suppression via new voter ID laws that were implemented by a repub governor. Just stop. LOL.my2hands said:
Lol, pretty weak rebuttal....Go Beavers said:
Now that you mention Putin, he did want trump to win. Fueling a “crooked Hillary” narrative certainly didn’t inspire high turnout.my2hands said:
Here we go again..... evil racists voted for a black guy twice, then realized they were racist and voted Trump... yeah, i call bullshit, doesnt even pass a sniff test.....Go Beavers said:
Low voter turnout is weaksauce. More like racist Obama voters switched to trump in 2016:my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
Everyone scared to touch that one? Lol
“A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm
Fact: black support for the democratic candidate fell 9% nationally between 2012-2016... even more so from 2008...
Black turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin!!!!!! Hillary lost that state by less than 1% right?
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/study-black-voter-turnout-in-wisconsin-declined-by-nearly-one/article_d3e72e41-96a0-51fb-83ba-11dfc6693daf.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/why-black-voters-in-milwaukee-werent-enthused-by-clinton.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html
Soak in those articles my fellow AMT'ers then get back to me.....
Hillary also LOST white women in 2016 nationally....
So can we stop with the Russian memes and bullshit forcefed narrative that sexism and white racism lost the election..... the black vote dropped fucking 19% in Wisconsin.... i'm sure someone will find a way to still blame it on Putin, or evil white people lol
Black voter turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin. Putin didn't win the election, the Democrats LOST the election
The sooner everybody starts dealing with reality, the sooner we can try and win 2020.
Sorry I have no sympathy for adults that dont have an ID, in the 21st century that's not voter suppression, that's just being lazy. The people interviewed that didnt vote didnt say peep about not being able to vote, they said they had no interest in voting.
Do we really need to argue whether blacks were more energized by Obama than Hillary? Lol The black guy wasnt on the ticket, and Democrats, especially the Clintons, only pander to blacks for their vote. PJ_Soul touched on it, and so did the gentelmen from the articles. And for the most part they are right.
But feel free to continue with the Putin Derangement Syndrome, it's a good look for some people lol
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It's in the first article, which also discusses the voter suppression issue... that article states 19% statewide...Halifax2TheMax said:
Show me where the NYT article “clearly states” it was 19% “statewide.” I couldn’t open the first article. Further, Team Trump Treason carried non-college educated white women by 2% and lost college educated by 6%. You also continue to ignore the effect of voter ID laws in that it wasn’t just a photo ID was required but that they also changed what or how residency was defined and what was required to get the ID and be on the rolls. Keep blaming a singular reason for the loss, ignoring all other factors. It’s a good look for your biases and holier than thou approach to election digestion. LOL.my2hands said:
Incorrect... the article clearly states it was 19% statewide. A huge portion of the states black population lives in the Mikwaukee area so a large number of that 19% likely is from MilwaukeeHalifax2TheMax said:
Black voter turnout did not drop 19% in Wisconsin. It dropped 19% in the one zip code your posted links referenced, one of which was a paraphrase of the NYT article you posted in the same post. Stop misrepresenting facts to fit your bias. Also, love how you gloss over the references to voter suppression via new voter ID laws that were implemented by a repub governor. Just stop. LOL.my2hands said:
Lol, pretty weak rebuttal....Go Beavers said:
Now that you mention Putin, he did want trump to win. Fueling a “crooked Hillary” narrative certainly didn’t inspire high turnout.my2hands said:
Here we go again..... evil racists voted for a black guy twice, then realized they were racist and voted Trump... yeah, i call bullshit, doesnt even pass a sniff test.....Go Beavers said:
Low voter turnout is weaksauce. More like racist Obama voters switched to trump in 2016:my2hands said:Was it racist when 9% of democratic black voters stayed home in 2016 because a black person wasn't on the ticket, handing the election to Big Don?
Why else would they stay home during the largest voter turnout ever? Oh, right, Russian hashtags
Everyone scared to touch that one? Lol
“A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm
Fact: black support for the democratic candidate fell 9% nationally between 2012-2016... even more so from 2008...
Black turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin!!!!!! Hillary lost that state by less than 1% right?
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/study-black-voter-turnout-in-wisconsin-declined-by-nearly-one/article_d3e72e41-96a0-51fb-83ba-11dfc6693daf.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/why-black-voters-in-milwaukee-werent-enthused-by-clinton.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html
Soak in those articles my fellow AMT'ers then get back to me.....
Hillary also LOST white women in 2016 nationally....
So can we stop with the Russian memes and bullshit forcefed narrative that sexism and white racism lost the election..... the black vote dropped fucking 19% in Wisconsin.... i'm sure someone will find a way to still blame it on Putin, or evil white people lol
Black voter turnout dropped 19% in Wisconsin. Putin didn't win the election, the Democrats LOST the election
The sooner everybody starts dealing with reality, the sooner we can try and win 2020.
Sorry I have no sympathy for adults that dont have an ID, in the 21st century that's not voter suppression, that's just being lazy. The people interviewed that didnt vote didnt say peep about not being able to vote, they said they had no interest in voting.
Do we really need to argue whether blacks were more energized by Obama than Hillary? Lol The black guy wasnt on the ticket, and Democrats, especially the Clintons, only pander to blacks for their vote. PJ_Soul touched on it, and so did the gentelmen from the articles. And for the most part they are right.
But feel free to continue with the Putin Derangement Syndrome, it's a good look for some people lol
I don't care if a person has a degree or not, Trump won white women, period, full stop.
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