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Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

tbergs said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack. 

It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable.  The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.  

True.  But those people celebrating deserve a genuine ass whooping.  

And somewhere in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. is a grieving widow whose family was killed in a drone strike who feels the same way and thus the cycle continues. It's the pathetic human need for vengeance.

If you don’t fly airplanes into buildings then none of that happens. Imagine what would happen to people If they celebrated a drone strike in Syria or Afghanistan?  

They would get an ass whuppin?

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack. 

It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable.  The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.  

If you’re an American celebrating the tower attacks on the day they occurred... then from my way of thinking... you’re an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.

Enemy of the people...that seems to be a common excuse for relaxing the first amendment.

I have no problem with that in this instance.  You celebrate while in view of the towers, yeah your ass should be thrown in jail or get a severe beating.  In my mind those actions speak volumes, you are supporting the enemies of the United States.  

You're advocating lawlessness and vigilante justice.  We used to have quite a bit of that in the South only 50 years ago.  

I'm ok with it in this instance.  The 1950's, no way Jose.  

Dude.. you're a history teacher aren't you?  Why is this okay, because you agree with it?  Is it okay also when a black guy rapes a white woman?  When isn't it okay?

I teach history but like many others I am a person that was greatly effected by 9/11.  I stand by my opinion.  Sorry bud, no one should have been publicly celebrating the deaths of nearly 3,000 civilians especially while in view of the New York skyline.  
Let's agree to disagree and move on.  

I was as well, as I worked in NOVA at the time.  But as soon as you open the gate to allow vigilante justice, then it becomes a pogrom pretty quickly.  And don't think those don't occur.  There was a massive one in India 20 years ago where thousands of ethnic minorities were murdered because of something an individual did.  You give people a green light to exercise their prejudices without consequences.  There's no agreeing to disagree.  You either support the rule of law or you don't.  It's pretty straightforward.  

fI the people who were celebrating the attack were beat up, then I would hope that they (the people throwing the punches) would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  However the people celebrating definitely deserved to get a punch or five to the face.  It's like being a Yankees fan and running your mouth at Fenway, you just don't do it.  Use common sense. 

Not even remotely a good example nor comparison.  You should be able to go to a sporting event and root for whoever the fuck you want without the fear of some mouthbreathing fan of the other team giving you a "punch or five to the face."  That's just fucking stupid thinking. Adults should act like adults, not gladiators.  Stop with the "asking for it" mentality. When given the option, one should always choose to be the better person.

I agree but unfortunately that is the way it is in some stadiums.  

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack. 

It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable.  The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.  

If you’re an American celebrating the tower attacks on the day they occurred... then from my way of thinking... you’re an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.

Enemy of the people...that seems to be a common excuse for relaxing the first amendment.

I have no problem with that in this instance.  You celebrate while in view of the towers, yeah your ass should be thrown in jail or get a severe beating.  In my mind those actions speak volumes, you are supporting the enemies of the United States.  

You're advocating lawlessness and vigilante justice.  We used to have quite a bit of that in the South only 50 years ago.  

I'm ok with it in this instance.  The 1950's, no way Jose.  

Dude.. you're a history teacher aren't you?  Why is this okay, because you agree with it?  Is it okay also when a black guy rapes a white woman?  When isn't it okay?

I teach history but like many others I am a person that was greatly effected by 9/11.  I stand by my opinion.  Sorry bud, no one should have been publicly celebrating the deaths of nearly 3,000 civilians especially while in view of the New York skyline.  
Let's agree to disagree and move on.  

I was as well, as I worked in NOVA at the time.  But as soon as you open the gate to allow vigilante justice, then it becomes a pogrom pretty quickly.  And don't think those don't occur.  There was a massive one in India 20 years ago where thousands of ethnic minorities were murdered because of something an individual did.  You give people a green light to exercise their prejudices without consequences.  There's no agreeing to disagree.  You either support the rule of law or you don't.  It's pretty straightforward.  

fI the people who were celebrating the attack were beat up, then I would hope that they (the people throwing the punches) would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  However the people celebrating definitely deserved to get a punch or five to the face.  It's like being a Yankees fan and running your mouth at Fenway, you just don't do it.  Use common sense. 

Not even remotely a good example nor comparison.  You should be able to go to a sporting event and root for whoever the fuck you want without the fear of some mouthbreathing fan of the other team giving you a "punch or five to the face."  That's just fucking stupid thinking. Adults should act like adults, not gladiators.  Stop with the "asking for it" mentality. When given the option, one should always choose to be the better person.

I agree but unfortunately that is the way it is in some stadiums.  

Then we should encourage those around us to do better instead of just accepting it as the way it is.  What's that saying, be the change you want to see?  I've had to calm down fans of my own team before.

Good luck with that one bud!  I refuse to bring my kids to any sporting events in philly because they would just get harassed the entire time (being Giants/Rangers and Yankees fans).   Christ I think I was yelled at because I had on a yankees hat in the parking lot of a pj show in philly.  lol

Go Beavers said:

Meltdown99 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

tbergs said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

People excusing even the thought of Americans celebrating the 9/11 attacks?

I'm all for freedom of speech, but c'mon folks? That wasn't a rally of fucking Illinois Nazi's, that was a disastrous terrorist attack. 

It's easy to be for freedom of speech when it isn't objectionable.  The test of the amendment is when we find the speech reprehensible.  

True.  But those people celebrating deserve a genuine ass whooping.  

And somewhere in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. is a grieving widow whose family was killed in a drone strike who feels the same way and thus the cycle continues. It's the pathetic human need for vengeance.

If you don’t fly airplanes into buildings then none of that happens. Imagine what would happen to people If they celebrated a drone strike in Syria or Afghanistan?  

They would get an ass whuppin?

Do you really want to stoop to that level...beating people up?  By the way, none of you would here...a criminal record for assault will not go away and any criminal record is burdensome...  

I don’t stoop to that level. My point is that he supports being violent toward people who do something he finds offensive.