Donald Trump

Carry on.

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

Snowplowing is LITERALLY socialism.

Of course, so is a police force, and fireman and roads and public schools.  We have a mixed economy but it's basis is market capitalism as that's what generates the revenue for the government to be able to provide these services that you outline.  

None of these things are, by definition, socialism.  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

So the definition of socialism is about "the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc..."

Therefore, when the left brings this stuff out, it's not, by technicality true.  Of course, that also means that 99% of the right's whining and scare tactics about socialism are dishonest as well. For the right, "socialism" has become "publicly-funded things we don't like."

In practice, I do see socialism - capitalism as a continuum, where these things are socialized in that we pay for them and they are done for us.  Military, regulations on beef, etc., are social in nature, even if they don't fit the technical definition. 

OKthen

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

The Socialism "label" by the Trumpsters needs to be aggressively countered with the label of fascism. 

The wanna be Mussolini strongman/dictator act has gone around the bend. 
Arrest him already.  He has committed CRIMES.   See what happens.

How do you counter something as false, when you freely admit it?  The socialism label sticks because there are members of the wing of the party that actively embrace it.  AOC calling capitalism "irredeemable" was most unhelpful.  

Agreed. They're shooting themselves in the feet 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/15/house-democrats-moderates-2020-aoc-1220643

"That'll NEVER work..." I say with my arms crossed.

You know what will never work?

https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/media:3098a308c034479c92589d8b8f638547/576.mp4

but whatever

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

Snowplowing is LITERALLY socialism.

Of course, so is a police force, and fireman and roads and public schools.  We have a mixed economy but it's basis is market capitalism as that's what generates the revenue for the government to be able to provide these services that you outline.  

None of these things are, by definition, socialism.  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

So the definition of socialism is about "the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc..."

Therefore, when the left brings this stuff out, it's not, by technicality true.  Of course, that also means that 99% of the right's whining and scare tactics about socialism are dishonest as well. For the right, "socialism" has become "publicly-funded things we don't like."

In practice, I do see socialism - capitalism as a continuum, where these things are socialized in that we pay for them and they are done for us.  Military, regulations on beef, etc., are social in nature, even if they don't fit the technical definition. 

You're right, we tend to think of social services as socialism.   I don't even know if Medicare can be considered socialism because the gov't does not provide the doctors or the medicine, they simply serve as the insurance mechanism.  

If it's government owned, it's socialism. The market pricing for Medicare is determined by the government.

The US is not considered a capitalist economy. It is considered a mixed economy.

Oil and corn subsidies are not capitalism. They are examples of the govt picking winners and losers. Like socialism.

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

Snowplowing is LITERALLY socialism.

Of course, so is a police force, and fireman and roads and public schools.  We have a mixed economy but it's basis is market capitalism as that's what generates the revenue for the government to be able to provide these services that you outline.  

None of these things are, by definition, socialism.  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

So the definition of socialism is about "the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc..."

Therefore, when the left brings this stuff out, it's not, by technicality true.  Of course, that also means that 99% of the right's whining and scare tactics about socialism are dishonest as well. For the right, "socialism" has become "publicly-funded things we don't like."

In practice, I do see socialism - capitalism as a continuum, where these things are socialized in that we pay for them and they are done for us.  Military, regulations on beef, etc., are social in nature, even if they don't fit the technical definition. 

You're right, we tend to think of social services as socialism.   I don't even know if Medicare can be considered socialism because the gov't does not provide the doctors or the medicine, they simply serve as the insurance mechanism.  

If it's government owned, it's socialism. The market pricing for Medicare is determined by the government.

The US is not considered a capitalist economy. It is considered a mixed economy.

Oil and corn subsidies are not capitalism. They are examples of the govt picking winners and losers. Like socialism.

Right market economy and mixed.  There's no such thing as pure capitalism in practice, or even traditional laissez-faire.  The pricing is determined by the gov't but the services are not, so I don't even know if you can consider it gov't owned.  The point is that no one has created a system that has lifted more people out of poverty or stimulated innovation like the economy we practice, and frankly the economy that the rest of the free world practices, with variations between what the gov't provides vs free enterprise.  So I don't know how AOC can say capitalism is "irredeemable".  

Not that the bare minimum of sustainability, poverty, isn't a depressing measure of success of an economic system, but there is a decent sized list of countries with a lower poverty  rate than the US. Many on that list are from socialist Europe.

 

josevolution said:

Bentleyspop said:

Racist-in-Chief.....

In wake of mosque attacks, Trump downplays threat from white nationalists: 'I think it's a small group of people'
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-downplays-threat-from-white-supremacists-i-think-its-a-small-group-of-people-205240100.html

As long as they stick up & vote for him they are good to go ...

And a reminder...

When you support a racist in any way shape or form that makes you a racist as well. 

Can't believe he actually wrote this. But if he did good for him finally doing the right thing......