Donald Trump

ikiT

Carry on.

mrussel1

Tiki said:

Snowplowing is LITERALLY socialism.

Of course, so is a police force, and fireman and roads and public schools.  We have a mixed economy but it's basis is market capitalism as that's what generates the revenue for the government to be able to provide these services that you outline.  

OnWis97

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

Snowplowing is LITERALLY socialism.

Of course, so is a police force, and fireman and roads and public schools.  We have a mixed economy but it's basis is market capitalism as that's what generates the revenue for the government to be able to provide these services that you outline.  

None of these things are, by definition, socialism.  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

So the definition of socialism is about "the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc..."

Therefore, when the left brings this stuff out, it's not, by technicality true.  Of course, that also means that 99% of the right's whining and scare tactics about socialism are dishonest as well. For the right, "socialism" has become "publicly-funded things we don't like."

In practice, I do see socialism - capitalism as a continuum, where these things are socialized in that we pay for them and they are done for us.  Military, regulations on beef, etc., are social in nature, even if they don't fit the technical definition. 

mrussel1

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

Snowplowing is LITERALLY socialism.

Of course, so is a police force, and fireman and roads and public schools.  We have a mixed economy but it's basis is market capitalism as that's what generates the revenue for the government to be able to provide these services that you outline.  

None of these things are, by definition, socialism.  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

So the definition of socialism is about "the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc..."

Therefore, when the left brings this stuff out, it's not, by technicality true.  Of course, that also means that 99% of the right's whining and scare tactics about socialism are dishonest as well. For the right, "socialism" has become "publicly-funded things we don't like."

In practice, I do see socialism - capitalism as a continuum, where these things are socialized in that we pay for them and they are done for us.  Military, regulations on beef, etc., are social in nature, even if they don't fit the technical definition. 

You're right, we tend to think of social services as socialism.   I don't even know if Medicare can be considered socialism because the gov't does not provide the doctors or the medicine, they simply serve as the insurance mechanism.  

ikiT

OKthen

ikiT

Capitalism isn't religion.  It's not even America.

I refer you to the Margaritaville episode of South Park.

The economy is not a real thing.  

The Juggler

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

The Socialism "label" by the Trumpsters needs to be aggressively countered with the label of fascism. 

The wanna be Mussolini strongman/dictator act has gone around the bend. 
Arrest him already.  He has committed CRIMES.   See what happens.

How do you counter something as false, when you freely admit it?  The socialism label sticks because there are members of the wing of the party that actively embrace it.  AOC calling capitalism "irredeemable" was most unhelpful.  

Agreed. They're shooting themselves in the feet 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/15/house-democrats-moderates-2020-aoc-1220643

mrussel1

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

The Socialism "label" by the Trumpsters needs to be aggressively countered with the label of fascism. 

The wanna be Mussolini strongman/dictator act has gone around the bend. 
Arrest him already.  He has committed CRIMES.   See what happens.

How do you counter something as false, when you freely admit it?  The socialism label sticks because there are members of the wing of the party that actively embrace it.  AOC calling capitalism "irredeemable" was most unhelpful.  

Agreed. They're shooting themselves in the feet 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/15/house-democrats-moderates-2020-aoc-1220643

And right on the cover is my representative, Abigail Spanberger.  She is the first Dem to represent my area in 40 years, following Eric Cantor and Dave Brat, two very conservative members.  She is a moderate.  I'm a moderate.  My district was conservative but it trended blue and flipped finally.  I'd be crushed if it flips back because of those handful of reps.  We are the definition of purple.  

ikiT

"That'll NEVER work..." I say with my arms crossed.

You know what will never work?

https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/media:3098a308c034479c92589d8b8f638547/576.mp4

ikiT

FASCISM is way more dangerous than whatever the misinterpretation and misrepresentation of socialism that Kelly Ann Conway and Chuck Grassley spin for Don Trump and you all are buying into it. 

ikiT

but whatever

Bentleyspop

Racist-in-Chief.....

In wake of mosque attacks, Trump downplays threat from white nationalists: 'I think it's a small group of people'
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-downplays-threat-from-white-supremacists-i-think-its-a-small-group-of-people-205240100.html

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

Snowplowing is LITERALLY socialism.

Of course, so is a police force, and fireman and roads and public schools.  We have a mixed economy but it's basis is market capitalism as that's what generates the revenue for the government to be able to provide these services that you outline.  

None of these things are, by definition, socialism.  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

So the definition of socialism is about "the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc..."

Therefore, when the left brings this stuff out, it's not, by technicality true.  Of course, that also means that 99% of the right's whining and scare tactics about socialism are dishonest as well. For the right, "socialism" has become "publicly-funded things we don't like."

In practice, I do see socialism - capitalism as a continuum, where these things are socialized in that we pay for them and they are done for us.  Military, regulations on beef, etc., are social in nature, even if they don't fit the technical definition. 

You're right, we tend to think of social services as socialism.   I don't even know if Medicare can be considered socialism because the gov't does not provide the doctors or the medicine, they simply serve as the insurance mechanism.  

If it's government owned, it's socialism. The market pricing for Medicare is determined by the government.

The US is not considered a capitalist economy. It is considered a mixed economy.

Oil and corn subsidies are not capitalism. They are examples of the govt picking winners and losers. Like socialism.

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

Snowplowing is LITERALLY socialism.

Of course, so is a police force, and fireman and roads and public schools.  We have a mixed economy but it's basis is market capitalism as that's what generates the revenue for the government to be able to provide these services that you outline.  

None of these things are, by definition, socialism.  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

So the definition of socialism is about "the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc..."

Therefore, when the left brings this stuff out, it's not, by technicality true.  Of course, that also means that 99% of the right's whining and scare tactics about socialism are dishonest as well. For the right, "socialism" has become "publicly-funded things we don't like."

In practice, I do see socialism - capitalism as a continuum, where these things are socialized in that we pay for them and they are done for us.  Military, regulations on beef, etc., are social in nature, even if they don't fit the technical definition. 

You're right, we tend to think of social services as socialism.   I don't even know if Medicare can be considered socialism because the gov't does not provide the doctors or the medicine, they simply serve as the insurance mechanism.  

If it's government owned, it's socialism. The market pricing for Medicare is determined by the government.

The US is not considered a capitalist economy. It is considered a mixed economy.

Oil and corn subsidies are not capitalism. They are examples of the govt picking winners and losers. Like socialism.

Right market economy and mixed.  There's no such thing as pure capitalism in practice, or even traditional laissez-faire.  The pricing is determined by the gov't but the services are not, so I don't even know if you can consider it gov't owned.  The point is that no one has created a system that has lifted more people out of poverty or stimulated innovation like the economy we practice, and frankly the economy that the rest of the free world practices, with variations between what the gov't provides vs free enterprise.  So I don't know how AOC can say capitalism is "irredeemable".  

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

Tiki said:

Snowplowing is LITERALLY socialism.

Of course, so is a police force, and fireman and roads and public schools.  We have a mixed economy but it's basis is market capitalism as that's what generates the revenue for the government to be able to provide these services that you outline.  

None of these things are, by definition, socialism.  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

So the definition of socialism is about "the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc..."

Therefore, when the left brings this stuff out, it's not, by technicality true.  Of course, that also means that 99% of the right's whining and scare tactics about socialism are dishonest as well. For the right, "socialism" has become "publicly-funded things we don't like."

In practice, I do see socialism - capitalism as a continuum, where these things are socialized in that we pay for them and they are done for us.  Military, regulations on beef, etc., are social in nature, even if they don't fit the technical definition. 

You're right, we tend to think of social services as socialism.   I don't even know if Medicare can be considered socialism because the gov't does not provide the doctors or the medicine, they simply serve as the insurance mechanism.  

If it's government owned, it's socialism. The market pricing for Medicare is determined by the government.

The US is not considered a capitalist economy. It is considered a mixed economy.

Oil and corn subsidies are not capitalism. They are examples of the govt picking winners and losers. Like socialism.

Right market economy and mixed.  There's no such thing as pure capitalism in practice, or even traditional laissez-faire.  The pricing is determined by the gov't but the services are not, so I don't even know if you can consider it gov't owned.  The point is that no one has created a system that has lifted more people out of poverty or stimulated innovation like the economy we practice, and frankly the economy that the rest of the free world practices, with variations between what the gov't provides vs free enterprise.  So I don't know how AOC can say capitalism is "irredeemable".  

Not that the bare minimum of sustainability, poverty, isn't a depressing measure of success of an economic system, but there is a decent sized list of countries with a lower poverty  rate than the US. Many on that list are from socialist Europe.

 

josevolution

Bentleyspop said:

Racist-in-Chief.....

In wake of mosque attacks, Trump downplays threat from white nationalists: 'I think it's a small group of people'
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-downplays-threat-from-white-supremacists-i-think-its-a-small-group-of-people-205240100.html

As long as they stick up & vote for him they are good to go ...

Bentleyspop

josevolution said:

Bentleyspop said:

Racist-in-Chief.....

In wake of mosque attacks, Trump downplays threat from white nationalists: 'I think it's a small group of people'
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-downplays-threat-from-white-supremacists-i-think-its-a-small-group-of-people-205240100.html

As long as they stick up & vote for him they are good to go ...

And a reminder...

When you support a racist in any way shape or form that makes you a racist as well. 

PJ_Soul

Trump hates old people like him too. His admin has managed to lower fines against nursing homes that harm the elderly.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/15/702645465/trump-administration-cuts-the-size-of-fines-for-health-violations-in-nursing-hom?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190315

Bentleyspop

Can't believe he actually wrote this. But if he did good for him finally doing the right thing......

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1106907445006401541?s=19

oftenreading

Bentleyspop said:

Can't believe he actually wrote this. But if he did good for him finally doing the right thing......

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1106907445006401541?s=19

It’s good to see a decent tweet from him.