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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
    Then we should hold accountable the people on "our team" so that we can maintain a shred of integrity.  
    I think “our side” is held to a much higher standard and the bulk of the slights or faux outrage fodder is Hollywood or comedic production and not sold in an echo chamber of a threat to our freedoms. If Tucker Carlson won’t apologize or be punished by Faux News, maybe Al Fraken should be re-instated?
     
    No, disagree.  I don't know if Al should have ever resigned or not.  But he did.  The fact that Carlson won't apologize is not a reason to reinstate Al.  Right is right.  Right is not relative.  Moral relativism based on political party affiliation is part of why we are in such a shitty place today.  Perpetuating or defending it is not the solution.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
    Then we should hold accountable the people on "our team" so that we can maintain a shred of integrity.  
    I think “our side” is held to a much higher standard and the bulk of the slights or faux outrage fodder is Hollywood or comedic production and not sold in an echo chamber of a threat to our freedoms. If Tucker Carlson won’t apologize or be punished by Faux News, maybe Al Fraken should be re-instated?
     
    No, disagree.  I don't know if Al should have ever resigned or not.  But he did.  The fact that Carlson won't apologize is not a reason to reinstate Al.  Right is right.  Right is not relative.  Moral relativism based on political party affiliation is part of why we are in such a shitty place today.  Perpetuating or defending it is not the solution.  
    agreed
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,105
    edited March 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
    Then we should hold accountable the people on "our team" so that we can maintain a shred of integrity.  
    I think “our side” is held to a much higher standard and the bulk of the slights or faux outrage fodder is Hollywood or comedic production and not sold in an echo chamber of a threat to our freedoms. If Tucker Carlson won’t apologize or be punished by Faux News, maybe Al Fraken should be re-instated?
     
    No, disagree.  I don't know if Al should have ever resigned or not.  But he did.  The fact that Carlson won't apologize is not a reason to reinstate Al.  Right is right.  Right is not relative.  Moral relativism based on political party affiliation is part of why we are in such a shitty place today.  Perpetuating or defending it is not the solution.  
    Well, let me know when the repubs and conservatives’ house is at least as “clean” as ours. Both sides are not the same. And it begins with the head of their party and his administration.
     
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
    Then we should hold accountable the people on "our team" so that we can maintain a shred of integrity.  
    I think “our side” is held to a much higher standard and the bulk of the slights or faux outrage fodder is Hollywood or comedic production and not sold in an echo chamber of a threat to our freedoms. If Tucker Carlson won’t apologize or be punished by Faux News, maybe Al Fraken should be re-instated?
     
    No, disagree.  I don't know if Al should have ever resigned or not.  But he did.  The fact that Carlson won't apologize is not a reason to reinstate Al.  Right is right.  Right is not relative.  Moral relativism based on political party affiliation is part of why we are in such a shitty place today.  Perpetuating or defending it is not the solution.  
    Well, let me know when the repubs and conservatives’ house is at least as “clean” as ours. Both sides are not the same. And it begins with the head of their party and his administration.
     
    whether both sides are the same or not is irrelevant. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,105
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
    Then we should hold accountable the people on "our team" so that we can maintain a shred of integrity.  
    I think “our side” is held to a much higher standard and the bulk of the slights or faux outrage fodder is Hollywood or comedic production and not sold in an echo chamber of a threat to our freedoms. If Tucker Carlson won’t apologize or be punished by Faux News, maybe Al Fraken should be re-instated?
     
    No, disagree.  I don't know if Al should have ever resigned or not.  But he did.  The fact that Carlson won't apologize is not a reason to reinstate Al.  Right is right.  Right is not relative.  Moral relativism based on political party affiliation is part of why we are in such a shitty place today.  Perpetuating or defending it is not the solution.  
    Well, let me know when the repubs and conservatives’ house is at least as “clean” as ours. Both sides are not the same. And it begins with the head of their party and his administration.
     
    whether both sides are the same or not is irrelevant. 
    I disagree.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
    Then we should hold accountable the people on "our team" so that we can maintain a shred of integrity.  
    I think “our side” is held to a much higher standard and the bulk of the slights or faux outrage fodder is Hollywood or comedic production and not sold in an echo chamber of a threat to our freedoms. If Tucker Carlson won’t apologize or be punished by Faux News, maybe Al Fraken should be re-instated?
     
    No, disagree.  I don't know if Al should have ever resigned or not.  But he did.  The fact that Carlson won't apologize is not a reason to reinstate Al.  Right is right.  Right is not relative.  Moral relativism based on political party affiliation is part of why we are in such a shitty place today.  Perpetuating or defending it is not the solution.  
    Well, let me know when the repubs and conservatives’ house is at least as “clean” as ours. Both sides are not the same. And it begins with the head of their party and his administration.
     
    whether both sides are the same or not is irrelevant. 
    Do you worry about an untidy room when your house is on fire? I think that's the point being made.
  • njnancy
    njnancy Posts: 5,096
    edited March 2019
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    Overblown internet outrage is really an issue, especially the degree to which legitimate news covers it. 

    But Tucker Carlson isn't the person to take the stand for. He deserves nobody's defense. There are many better examples in the past few years.
    But... and I think it was French's article that said this, can't recall... we can't just defend people who we agree with politically.  You can's say Kevin Hart is okay because his body of work we like, but this person is a conservative so let's paint him with the brush.  That's where the hypocrisy comes into play.  
    When the right cleans up their own house, I’ll get on board with holding dems/libs accountable. Until then, I’ll laugh at Family Guy episodes  and Pete Davidson skits.

    But I’m also starting to see a campaign theme emerge here, we repubs are calling for civility, those evil dems and libs won’t hold their own to account and want to eliminate free speech. Sorry, but the repub faux outrage machine has been in high gear since 1992 with Clinton’s “Come Back Kid” surprise win.
    I think you can hold EVERYONE accountable for their actions/words regardless of political affiliation. 

    I simply cannot understand how not ONE of the press corps called Sanders on her "ripping babies from their wombs" comments. All they wanted to know was if Trump thought dems were anti-semites. jesus. 
    You (you in the general sense) can but you can also hold your own accountable and lead by example. If you want others to take the high road, you first must take the high road. But we know the repubs will never do that. Faux News' business model proves that point (read the New Yorker article).
    Then we should hold accountable the people on "our team" so that we can maintain a shred of integrity.  
    I think “our side” is held to a much higher standard and the bulk of the slights or faux outrage fodder is Hollywood or comedic production and not sold in an echo chamber of a threat to our freedoms. If Tucker Carlson won’t apologize or be punished by Faux News, maybe Al Fraken should be re-instated?
     
    No, disagree.  I don't know if Al should have ever resigned or not.  But he did.  The fact that Carlson won't apologize is not a reason to reinstate Al.  Right is right.  Right is not relative.  Moral relativism based on political party affiliation is part of why we are in such a shitty place today.  Perpetuating or defending it is not the solution.  
    Well, let me know when the repubs and conservatives’ house is at least as “clean” as ours. Both sides are not the same. And it begins with the head of their party and his administration.
     
    whether both sides are the same or not is irrelevant. 
    Do you worry about an untidy room when your house is on fire? I think that's the point being made.
    I don't think  we have ever been bombarded with so much crap at such a rapid pace at any point in history. I understand the reasoning for not having an outrage culture but I'll take outrage over the intended numbing us all to normal reaction to crazy shit. 

    And the bulk of that bombardment is coming from the Republican administration. So I cannot take seriously any outrage by Republicans for statements or actions made by individual Democrats. There is no comparison to the horrible stuff that is constantly being spewed. 

    This is not normal. This is extremely unhealthy to people and to our country and our (hopefully) allies. 
    Post edited by njnancy on
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,105
    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
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    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    I don’t want my kid(s) to be germaphobe neat freaks. 

    I don’t actually want triplets, either. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    The core problem is that we perpetuate the concept that there is team D and team R, instead of team American Citizen.  I don't have a problem with French's article because he has been consistent with his criticism of the culture.  We protect ours and look for any advantage against theirs.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    the same thing I would tell each kid: worry about your own room, and clean it to my expectations. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited March 2019
    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    The trashed room kid wouldn't be allowed to leave said room until it was cleaned up reasonably. 
    I would also probably consider sending the germaphobe to therapy in an attempt to nip that problem in the bud.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    The core problem is that we perpetuate the concept that there is team D and team R, instead of team American Citizen.  I don't have a problem with French's article because he has been consistent with his criticism of the culture.  We protect ours and look for any advantage against theirs.  
    French should focus his criticism on his fellow repubs and conservatives before expanding his audience. Like I’ve said, the faux outrage machine was fired up in 1992, not by dems, and has been taken into overdrive. Just look no further than the CPAC shit show. Now compare that to dems at SXSW. “We’re all” not the problem.
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    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    the same thing I would tell each kid: worry about your own room, and clean it to my expectations. 
    So French should worry about his “own.”
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    mrussel1 said:
    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    The core problem is that we perpetuate the concept that there is team D and team R, instead of team American Citizen.  I don't have a problem with French's article because he has been consistent with his criticism of the culture.  We protect ours and look for any advantage against theirs.  
    French should focus his criticism on his fellow repubs and conservatives before expanding his audience. Like I’ve said, the faux outrage machine was fired up in 1992, not by dems, and has been taken into overdrive. Just look no further than the CPAC shit show. Now compare that to dems at SXSW. “We’re all” not the problem.
    Then you're part of the problem.  I don't mean for you take offense, but that attitude is dividing our country.  
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    And it is willfully ignoring the countless articles French has written lambasting Trump and the corruption of the Republican party.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    the same thing I would tell each kid: worry about your own room, and clean it to my expectations. 
    So French should worry about his “own.”
    well, I think your analogy is flawed. in my opinion, as mrussell stated, we should all act as a collective, not as separate team. acting as opposing teams isn't working. looking down our noses at another group, saying "well I'll start improving when they get to my level" achieves nothing, especially when each group believes they are above the other. it isn't going to improve said group (ever told a person in a rage to calm down?). set common goals and strive to achieve them as a collective at the same time as setting individual goals to set an example. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    The core problem is that we perpetuate the concept that there is team D and team R, instead of team American Citizen.  I don't have a problem with French's article because he has been consistent with his criticism of the culture.  We protect ours and look for any advantage against theirs.  
    French should focus his criticism on his fellow repubs and conservatives before expanding his audience. Like I’ve said, the faux outrage machine was fired up in 1992, not by dems, and has been taken into overdrive. Just look no further than the CPAC shit show. Now compare that to dems at SXSW. “We’re all” not the problem.
    Then you're part of the problem.  I don't mean for you take offense, but that attitude is dividing our country.  
    agreed. I have stated it several times in the past, it is a very divisive attitude. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    You've been fortunate to have triplets. One kid has a totally trashed room, one kid has a neat but slightly messy room and one kid is a germaphobe and tidiness freak. As a parent you'd like two of your kids to have rooms like the germ freak, however, you'll settle for neat and slightly messy room for all three. The kid with the trashed room is telling the slightly messy room kid to clean it up and be like the germaphobe kid. As a parent, what do you do or say to the trashed room kid?
    The core problem is that we perpetuate the concept that there is team D and team R, instead of team American Citizen.  I don't have a problem with French's article because he has been consistent with his criticism of the culture.  We protect ours and look for any advantage against theirs.  
    French should focus his criticism on his fellow repubs and conservatives before expanding his audience. Like I’ve said, the faux outrage machine was fired up in 1992, not by dems, and has been taken into overdrive. Just look no further than the CPAC shit show. Now compare that to dems at SXSW. “We’re all” not the problem.
    Then you're part of the problem.  I don't mean for you take offense, but that attitude is dividing our country.  
    Show me the repub or conservative equivalence of the below. From 2011.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coHInWqhX2Q

    I’m happy to be part of the problem as it relates to the other side. Their talking heads preach to the choir while they refuse to hold theirs to any semblance of accountability. The last one to do it was John McCain when he took the microphone away from that lady. Show me the dem equivalent. But you can’t because in the larger, dem picture, we don’t do shit like that. Or purposely spread falsehoods and BS, demonizing the other side, day after day after day. Abortion providers, black church goers and Jews at temple have been murdered because of it and yet, still, they ratchet up the rhetoric to inflame and provoke their base. They need to check it and be the change they want to see. Until then, fuck ‘em.

    No offense taken.

    I’d love to see some mainstream MSNBC or CNN libs or dems rant and rave like those Faux News or Team Trump Treason Administration officials. Maybe our conservative posters can post some links?
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  • mrussel1
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    You are completely missing the point, or just don't want to acknowledge it.  No one is saying the Dems are as 'bad' as Republicans in this sense.  But there are humans on both sides of the aisle that are terrible, terrible people.  If you want me to name some on the liberal side, it would be pretty easy.  Plus, liberal groups have picked up on the right wing strategy of publishing lies on memes and on facebook.  Just last week there was the fake Trump report card.  It got outed pretty quickly, but it's the same bullshit that right wingers post.  We all laugh about it, but I guarantee there are lots of people who believe it to be true. 
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