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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited February 2019
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    forcing someone, much less a child, to do anything to their body against their will goes against every fundamental human right. look, I get it. I don't want this shit coming back either. But you do it through education.  
    Education doesn't work on a lot of these idiot anti-vaxxers. That's where the problem is coming from in the first place. I think it's much worse to deny a child vaccinations than it is to give them vaccinations against their parents' wills (the child's will is irrelevant ... LOTS of things are done against the so-called wills of children all the time, by necessity, as dictated by law).
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,488
    of course it doesn't. but forced (anything) against a person's will, especially when it comes to injecting something into their body they do not want, is not the answer. never will be. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Medically, biologically, we don’t need 100% compliance to have robust herd immmnity. 

    The very act of measuring a behaviour generally leads to change in that behaviour. Though we don’t know the details of the registry yet, it seems it will need to involve parents providing info on vaccinations. That act alone will push some parents into vaccinating, where they were on the fence or just not making it a priority. The publicity associated with this outbreak has already increased rates as well. The registry will provide further opportunities for targeted  approaches to parents to encourage vaccination, and will point out the weak links if an outbreak occurs. It may well help quite a bit. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited February 2019
    I have less faith in the anti-vaxxers and potential anti-vaxxers than you do I guess. If they all get in line because of whatever actions by the government, fantastic. Of course I hope you're right that that shit will work. Obviously, if those things do work, then my radical (but sincerely held) idea wouldn't be necessary. But I don't think this ridiculous movement is going anywhere. Not unless the internet goes away. And this is an international issue as well, not just a local or national one.
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,488
    rounding up and detaining children to vaccinate them is not the answer. not even close. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    I'm not suggesting they be detained. They should be taken to a medical clinic and vaccinated if the parents refuse to comply with the law (that I think should exist - it should be illegal to not get kids vaccinated, just as it should be illegal for unvaccinated people to enter the country - I think it should be noted on every passport). That's all. I suppose you could call the time it takes to do that detainment, then sure, detained. I understand you disagree. I think it should be done. I also know it won't be, which I think is too bad.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Only 3 provinces mandate measles vaccine to get into school, that needs to change...and soon.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    ‘We need to get ready’: RCMP planning for return of Canadian ISIS members
    https://globalnews.ca/news/5004932/rcmp-preparing-for-return-isis/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalNational&fbclid=IwAR2jeqUUXBX49bZT5pCLj1FAlt1GhvyxHAQu-HyXriWIQrRmoyBfX6CYf0Q

    What a joke.  Can we publicly behead these cowards? /s

    And one of them was narrating a bunch of videos that ISIS created showing mass killings and beheadings and this clown will be allowed back...what is the matter with Trudeau.  The UK has said no, and I believe they encouraged the military to leave them dead on the battlefield. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Anti-vaccination billboard campaign called 'dangerous' by Toronto councillor

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/vaccine-choice-canada-billboards-anti-1.5035395?fbclid=IwAR030dpVMFNRoMT6rgMJSiqtxkWrqJxdU22__Fgw4423Tr0K8cFqal4wmc0

    The stupidity of the anti-vaxxers continue...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    She might be the most honourable politician in my lifetime...

    Trudeau should quit. and the liberals should nominate her.  It is only appropriate that our 1st real female PM is also 1st nation.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739


    This is the PM you are so proud of...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    I hope to be able to read testimony tonight. I can’t watch or read from work. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,003
    oftenreading said:
    I hope to be able to read testimony tonight. I can’t watch or read from work. 
    I'm watching it live, and it's not looking good for Trudeau.  Now the public needs to be constantly reminded of this in the same way Duffy was flogged leading up to the last election.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739


    He is a liberal.  Telling everyone your PM is a crook.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,003
    One of the most troubling things mentioned was how, if JWR had played ball, the Liberals would have commissioned oped pieces to run in the mainstream media to back her up. They clearly knew they were over the line and needed cover!

    Seriously, I hope the only way out for the Liberals is for Trudeau to step down and choose a new leader before October. Worked out fine for Ontario’s Conservatives, lol.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,003
    A pretty good summation of JWR's testimony.  It really is hard to see her still in the Liberal caucus by week's end.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-wilson-rayboulds-convincing-testimony-may-cost-trudeau-his-job?video_autoplay=true#comments-area
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    She said she doesn't expect to be removed from caucus. We shall see.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Give Peas A Chance…

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