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That's because the Ptape was made before 2013 and when Cohen joined the Team Trump Treason cabal.PJPOWER said:
And Cohen has “no reason to believe they exist”Halifax2TheMax said:Representative Raskin wants to see the PTape.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Didn’t he become Trump’s lawyer in 2006? Regardless, the infatuation with the #Ptape is humorous!Halifax2TheMax said:
That's because the Ptape was made before 2013 and when Cohen joined the Team Trump Treason cabal.PJPOWER said:
And Cohen has “no reason to believe they exist”Halifax2TheMax said:Representative Raskin wants to see the PTape.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
Everyone that works around, with and for Trump gets tarnished. You must see that by now. The dude is a cancer to everyone. Cohen is scum but he worked for scum. Even Matt Gaetz is now turning to scum, as is Devin Nunes. You want to work for Trump, you have to check your principles and morals at the door. I believe that is unassailable at this point.PJPOWER said:
Pathological liars do it without even knowing. His history suggests pathology...I think he is still trying to save face by acting like he was a puppet instead of a credible human being responsible for his own actions.dignin said:
What motive does he have to lie today? Is he a masochist that just want's more jail time? That doesn't really add up. When he lied before he definitely had a motive, I can't figure one out today.PJPOWER said:
Of.....what? Cohen’s prison term for lying over and over under oath?Halifax2TheMax said:
As the Honorable Elijah Cummings stated, “this isn’t the end but the beginning.”PJPOWER said:
We’ll see once the cards are played out...I’m not convinced and think this Cohen testimony actually did more harm to the Democrat’s credibility...Not a good ploy in my opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
Its all Team Mueller and SDNY.PJPOWER said:
Maybe so, but Cohen sure isn’t going to be the one that takes him down...Halifax2TheMax said:
This exactly defines Team Trump Treason as well. Birds of a feather.PJPOWER said:All I’m getting out of this hearing so far is that anything Cowen says is not credible in the least. Professional liar...did I miss something?0 -
Regardless, they are adults and make their own decisions. They can all leave whenever they want. In the end, he will have a good life with royalties from a book deal...probably titled “How Trump Fooled Me”.mrussel1 said:
Everyone that works around, with and for Trump gets tarnished. You must see that by now. The dude is a cancer to everyone. Cohen is scum but he worked for scum. Even Matt Gaetz is now turning to scum, as is Devin Nunes. You want to work for Trump, you have to check your principles and morals at the door. I believe that is unassailable at this point.PJPOWER said:
Pathological liars do it without even knowing. His history suggests pathology...I think he is still trying to save face by acting like he was a puppet instead of a credible human being responsible for his own actions.dignin said:
What motive does he have to lie today? Is he a masochist that just want's more jail time? That doesn't really add up. When he lied before he definitely had a motive, I can't figure one out today.PJPOWER said:
Of.....what? Cohen’s prison term for lying over and over under oath?Halifax2TheMax said:
As the Honorable Elijah Cummings stated, “this isn’t the end but the beginning.”PJPOWER said:
We’ll see once the cards are played out...I’m not convinced and think this Cohen testimony actually did more harm to the Democrat’s credibility...Not a good ploy in my opinion.Halifax2TheMax said:
Its all Team Mueller and SDNY.PJPOWER said:
Maybe so, but Cohen sure isn’t going to be the one that takes him down...Halifax2TheMax said:
This exactly defines Team Trump Treason as well. Birds of a feather.PJPOWER said:All I’m getting out of this hearing so far is that anything Cowen says is not credible in the least. Professional liar...did I miss something?0 -
I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.
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Did Cohen say he respected the POS first lady...totally believable.Give Peas A Chance…0
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Right. Yes, Cohen is garbage. Yes, he is a liar. And, yes, a shit ton of his perjury was in regards to defending the person these nitwits are now defending. It's hilarious.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.0 -
I thought the hookers were peeing on him. In either case, I don't care about the existence of the p-tape and how Trump had his fun. The issue, of course, is whether keeping it under wraps actually led to him working with Russia and being an asset. And I don't think US Webdom has the critical thinking skills to make the connection. So I'm not convinced the P-tape would hurt him unless it was accompanied by a tape of him saying "Vald, I can't have this getting out; I'll do anything!"Ledbetterman10 said:Even if there was a pee tape, his base wouldn't even care. If he was pissing on hookers, his fans would probably look at that as a sign of power or something. Now, if he's the one getting peed on, that could be useful.Post edited by OnWis97 on1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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No, no. Trump watched the hookers pee on each other, after asking them to. Specifically, he got them to pretend to be, I dunno, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton or something?? and basically got his hookers to role play some kind of weirdo golden shower enactment that insulted his political rivals, lol, while he sat in a chair and watched.OnWis97 said:
I thought the hookers were peeing on him. In either case, I don't care about the existence of the p-tape and how Trump had his fun. The issue, of course is, whether keeping it under wraps actually led to him working with Russia and being an asset. And I don't think US Webdom has the critical thinking skills to make the connection. So I'm not convinced the P-tape would hurt him unless it was accompanied by a tape of him saying "Vald, I can't have this getting out; I'll do anything!"Ledbetterman10 said:Even if there was a pee tape, his base wouldn't even care. If he was pissing on hookers, his fans would probably look at that as a sign of power or something. Now, if he's the one getting peed on, that could be useful.
Frankly, I'm just surprised that Trump has that much of an imagination, lol.
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according to the dossier, he was watching them pee on the bed that the Obamas slept in.OnWis97 said:
I thought the hookers were peeing on him. In either case, I don't care about the existence of the p-tape and how Trump had his fun. The issue, of course is, whether keeping it under wraps actually led to him working with Russia and being an asset. And I don't think US Webdom has the critical thinking skills to make the connection. So I'm not convinced the P-tape would hurt him unless it was accompanied by a tape of him saying "Vald, I can't have this getting out; I'll do anything!"Ledbetterman10 said:Even if there was a pee tape, his base wouldn't even care. If he was pissing on hookers, his fans would probably look at that as a sign of power or something. Now, if he's the one getting peed on, that could be useful.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
It just seems to be a big exercise in cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics. Squeaky clean guy who only cares about helping America is surrounded by squeaky clean kids and son-in-law. And everyone else is shady. Everyone else is a liar. Great guy has the misfortune of being surround by vile people. This isn't really even about Trump any more. For the regular people it's about being right and owning libs. For the GOP it's about having almost all political power, particularly in the courts.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians. I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions. What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol. I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of legitimate skepticism.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.0 -
I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).PJPOWER said:
I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians. I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions. What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol. I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.
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Cohen's testimony today can be corroborated and likely will be, either in Team Mueller indictments or report or in future House hearings.PJPOWER said:
I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians. I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions. What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol. I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of legitimate skepticism.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.
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this whole thing is nothing but a circus and will amount to zero unless there is real evidence to back it up. of which I have yet to see.PJPOWER said:
I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians. I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions. What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol. I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of legitimate skepticism.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.
his opening statement of "trump's a bad bad guy and a racist meanie" will discount much of anything factual he has to say in the eyes of republicans as nothing more than cohen's own personal revenge.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Trump lies almost daily. Is his presidency worthy of legitimate skepticism?PJPOWER said:
I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians. I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions. What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol. I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of legitimate skepticism.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.0 -
Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest? Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation. You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.PJ_Soul said:
I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).PJPOWER said:
I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians. I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions. What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol. I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.0 -
Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.PJPOWER said:
Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest? Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation. You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.PJ_Soul said:
I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).PJPOWER said:
I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians. I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions. What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol. I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.
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Where did I say I believed Trump over Cohen, stop making shit up for the love of God! Essentially, I’m saying that I want the truth to come out, but Cohen lacks the credibility to do so due to his past crimes. He is a shitty witness based on his track record. If Trump gets up and lies under oath in front of congress on numerous occasions, would you choose him as an credible expert witness in any form or fashion? You don’t have to believe everything Trump says to be skeptical of a known liar’s statements. Again, how are you 100% certain Cohen has no reason to lie...it is politics after all.PJ_Soul said:
Trump has also done it over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Far more often than Cohen. So why would you be inclined to believe Trump over Cohen, especially when Cohen no longer has any motivation at all and Trump has the most powerful motivation one can imagine? That makes no sense.PJPOWER said:
Other than more material for the numerous book and tv deals he has received...and who knows what else is being held over his head that was never made public. Wasn’t there just a case of a movie star lying about getting beaten against his own self interest? Who knows why people lie, but Cohen has done it over and over under oath in the past...that is not speculation. You are willing to disregard that because you are biased and want it to all bring Trump down...that is speculative though.PJ_Soul said:
I think people are inclined to believe at this point because, as others have pointed out, he no longer has any motivation whatsoever to lie during this testimony. At all. What is really funny is that those inclined not to believe him think it's more likely he's lying than telling the truth, because seriously, that just doesn't make any sense at all. But in any case, surely Cohen has yet more damning hard evidence against Trump? Remember he already handed over the tape where Trump is literally discussing paying off the porn star (it seems to me that many have decided to pretend that proof doesn't exist).PJPOWER said:
I think they are all just liars trying to save face...as well as Trump and most other politicians. I’m just saying that Cohen’s testimony is not going to get us to the truth behind the allegations against Trump because he has lied under oath on numerous occasions. What is funny is people believing Cohen’s every word as long as it fits their rhetoric...but then make excuses when he says he knows nothing about a Ptape, lol. I don’t know what Trump did or didn’t do, but Cohen’s testimony is at least worthy of skepticism.PJ_Soul said:I don't understand how Trump supporters can use the "but Cohen is a proven liar" excuse to not believe Cohen, when the person they are using the excuse to defend is a proven pathological liar. What a complete absurdity.
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