Ryan Adams 2019

ledvedderman said:

mfc2006 said:

Matt nails it..
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/e761834a-a618-4496-8a06-e093c7cc8509#H1cEsj2mHE.copy

Stupid quote function!!! Ha!

In all seriousness, this sucks. I knew that he wasn’t the nicest guy, but good god....

Who knows what will come out tomorrow?

goldrush said:

There are reports that Benson Amps and JHS pedals have ditched him. That’s probably just the beginning.
Refunds are being offered for Big Colors - how long until the European tour is canned?

Tomorrow would be my guess.

Alright, it's starting to look pretty damning now, I think I'm ready to begin forming opinions, lol.

Thread title should be changed to Ryan Adams RIP

i've been preparing for this for a while.  and that's why i've remained a Bryan Adams fan all these years.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

vaggar99 said:

i've been preparing for this for a while.  and that's why i've remained a Bryan Adams fan all these years.

He wrote some of KISS’ 80s songs. Go Bryan!

You really do manage to work KISS into every conversation, don’t you? That takes real dedication

DewieCox said:

goldrush said:

There are reports that Benson Amps and JHS pedals have ditched him. That’s probably just the beginning.
Refunds are being offered for Big Colors - how long until the European tour is canned?

JHS, Walrus Audio and Benson have all released statements.

Tim Simmons said:

I am curious if people will come back and cancel those artists. mainly the ones still alive. 


I will admit after this, I started wrestling with loving artists like Miles Davis, or John Lennon (famous wife beaters) who aren't around anymore, but were heinous at points in the career. I still have more soul searching to do, but I don't think I can support this behavior. The led Zeppelin shit needs to catch up with them. Just because it wasn't frowned upon in 1971 doesn't make it right.

As awful as it is, I don’t think the stuff with the older guys is a good comparison. I think it’s as weird as the next person and it certainly was illegal but it was a different time and a different step in the evolution of human morality.

If there is some sort of crackdown on past generations then the music marketplace will be a bare place indeed. 

Actually, it very much is and it is a good remainder that people who are put on pedestals and canonized are not nearly as great as they are made to be.  The time of human evolution of morality does not change the fact that the guy who wrote Imagine also physically abused both his wives.  Miles Davis and Lennon were not alive in the middle ages.   We don't live in some magical awakening that enables degrees of offense and levels of acceptance.

Every time I listen to Imagine, I am of two minds, what a beautiful statement and sentiment of finding inner peace, and it was written by a flawed human being that was working through his flaws and trying to leave a better mark.   He was not perfect by any stretch and he was not a shaman, he just had an idea, which is really quite beautiful, but simultaneously quite striking in contrast to some of his life.

If the world was pure black and white, no ambiguity, no shades of gray, then we would not be an internet forum trying to make sense of something that strikes us incredibly wrong. 

Davis, Lennon and it would very appear Adams have some serious things in common, and there are contextual elements to each of their live's that created their lesser personality traits and actions.  These are not excuses, or whataboutism or deflection.  It is life, it is layered and more complex than flippant reactionism.

Adams reckoning appears at hand for his actions, but I'll be damned if I give anyone a pass by saying simply it was a different time, that does no justice to making a more permanent real change. 

If he is guilty of all he is accused, and I definitely believe he is guilty of some of the behavior for sure (it wasn't news to me he had bad relationships)  I'd rather hope that he can do things to make it right.   That is not a snap of the fingers, particularly the potential criminal activity.  That is up to the people he hurt, not him alone and certainly not me or fans, or someone who did not know who he was until Wednesday.

He deserves no free pass by any stretch, but simultaneously deserves the opportunity to eventually make his life better.  And it is on him to do that, no one has to lay out a soft bed for him to land on and give lip service to his actions.  No one has to believe that, it is just one persons point of view.  But in my view we fail as human beings and societies if we don't allow for the possibility that people can reconcile even their most egregious mistakes.

That is how I listen to Imagine, or the entire Sketches of Spain, not in some I don't care mentality this music is just great, but rather here are two deeply flawed people trying to deal with human condition and attempting to make it better despite massive character flaws and behaviour that should neither be condoned nor forgotten.  I like to think that by their end, they were both better than their worst moments.  My life has not been perfect (certainly nothing to the degree of these really awful behaviours, but not perfect).




   

https://twitter.com/nytimesmusic/status/1097152439499870208?s=12

Let the DRA vinyl clear outs begin.  I bet you see him in the used bins now.

joberschlake said:

Let the DRA vinyl clear outs begin.  I bet you see him in the used bins now.

I've already started.