Ryan Adams 2019

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    dankind said:
    Daron Oshay said:
    Sick

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/arts/music/ryan-adams-women-sex.html
    Not surprised by this at all. 
    Me neither. I love a lot of his music, but he is pretty much a total jerk, and it's obvious. He can't even keep himself from acting like an asshole right up on stage.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    God damnit. This is awful. It’s torally consistent with how he comes across on social media. It sounds like a borderline personality disorder or bipolar I deal. I don’t know if he’s honestly addressed any of his shortcomings. His cycle of destructive behavior has gone on for years. The stuff about being a shitty boyfriend disappoints me greatly- but I’ve always assumed it might be a possibility. The underage stuff...that gutted me. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,485
    Fuck Ryan Adams
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited February 2019
    Since I didn't like him as a person anyhow, this doesn't really change much for me. The underaged shit doesn't look good, that's for sure, but yeah, I don't know if he knew her age or not. Either way, I don't support such things obviously... and it wouldn't change much for me personally either, since I have never boycotted actors and artists who did bad shit and got outed.... at least not so far. Although I wouldn't buy tickets to see someone scummy. Like, I'll still watch an episode of the Cosby Show on Prime, but I'm not going to buy tix to his stand up show (in prison, lol). So let's see how this all pans out for RA. If it's proven he actually knew he was doing that with a 14 year old I'll likely not choose to spend money on tickets for his show.... and yes, part of that is because I don't want to be seen in public as a woman who would do that.
    No matter how it turns out I know I'll still listen to his music.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Come on, he knew her fucking age. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited February 2019
    DewieCox said:
    Come on, he knew her fucking age. 
    Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes people lie about their age. It's not like that is an insane possibility. It's not uncommon. He did keep asking her though, so he was at least suspicious..... Still, she sounds like a possible catfish, so who knows. Also, I have no clue - is sexting with someone who's underaged illegal? Or just gross?? I guess if she sent him naked photos of herself, that's illegal... for both of them. Her for transmitting child porn, and him for possessing it.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    PJ_Soul said:
    DewieCox said:
    Come on, he knew her fucking age. 
    Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes people lie about their age. It's not like that is an insane possibility. It's not uncommon.
    Did you read the article? He wouldn’t have been so uneasy about her age if he didn’t know. Seemed like he was baiting her into saying she was legal age. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,485
    PJ_Soul said:
    DewieCox said:
    Come on, he knew her fucking age. 
    Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes people lie about their age. It's not like that is an insane possibility. It's not uncommon.
    Come on now. 

    And wasnt it more than one. He even refered to himself as R Kelly
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited February 2019
    DewieCox said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    DewieCox said:
    Come on, he knew her fucking age. 
    Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes people lie about their age. It's not like that is an insane possibility. It's not uncommon.
    Did you read the article? He wouldn’t have been so uneasy about her age if he didn’t know. Seemed like he was baiting her into saying she was legal age. 
    Yes, I read the article.
    I added to my post after you quoted me BTW.

    Hey, I have no interest in defending him. I always start these stories with purposeful objectivity. I never leap to conclusions in these cases. I wait and see how it pans out, if any other accusations about illegal activity come up, etc.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,485
    PJ_Soul said:
    Since I didn't like him as a person anyhow, this doesn't really change much for me. The underaged shit doesn't look good, that's for sure, but yeah, I don't know if he knew her age or not. Either way, I don't support such things obviously... and it wouldn't change much for me personally either, since I have never boycotted actors and artists who did bad shit and got outed.... at least not so far. Although I wouldn't buy tickets to see someone scummy. Like, I'll still watch an episode of the Cosby Show on Prime, but I'm not going to buy tix to his stand up show (in prison, lol). So let's see how this all pans out for RA. If it's proven he actually knew he was doing that with a 14 year old I'll likely not choose to spend money on tickets for his show.... and yes, part of that is because I don't want to be seen in public as a woman who would do that.
    No matter how it turns out I know I'll still listen to his music.
    So If he was sexual with 14 year olds you LIKELY wouldnt go to his shows?

    .... What the Fuck. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited February 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    DewieCox said:
    Come on, he knew her fucking age. 
    Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes people lie about their age. It's not like that is an insane possibility. It's not uncommon.
    Come on now. 

    And wasnt it more than one. He even refered to himself as R Kelly
    Come on now what?

    I have no idea if it was more than one and neither do you, unless I missed a big detail (which is possible). Maybe we'll find out.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited February 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Since I didn't like him as a person anyhow, this doesn't really change much for me. The underaged shit doesn't look good, that's for sure, but yeah, I don't know if he knew her age or not. Either way, I don't support such things obviously... and it wouldn't change much for me personally either, since I have never boycotted actors and artists who did bad shit and got outed.... at least not so far. Although I wouldn't buy tickets to see someone scummy. Like, I'll still watch an episode of the Cosby Show on Prime, but I'm not going to buy tix to his stand up show (in prison, lol). So let's see how this all pans out for RA. If it's proven he actually knew he was doing that with a 14 year old I'll likely not choose to spend money on tickets for his show.... and yes, part of that is because I don't want to be seen in public as a woman who would do that.
    No matter how it turns out I know I'll still listen to his music.
    So If he was sexual with 14 year olds you LIKELY wouldnt go to his shows?

    .... What the Fuck. 
    Well, I don't actually know for sure if he did anything really wrong yet, so I guess I'm just not willing to say anything definitive at the moment, that's all. I'm sure I wouldn't go to his shows if he knew he was doing that (I'd also be surprised if there were any more shows if it's proven that he did). My state of mind right now is just at the "maybe" stage in general - wait and see how it pans out. Unlike you obviously, hahaha. I just don't deal with these kinds of stories like that. I don't have a knee jerk reaction.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,485
    edited February 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    DewieCox said:
    Come on, he knew her fucking age. 
    Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes people lie about their age. It's not like that is an insane possibility. It's not uncommon.
    Come on now. 

    And wasnt it more than one. He even refered to himself as R Kelly
    Come on now what?

    I have no idea if it was more than one and neither do you, unless I missed a big detail (which is possible). Maybe we'll find out.
    I read it as two. My mistake 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    1 is enough. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited February 2019
    DewieCox said:
    1 is enough. 
    Yes, if he knew it is, obviously.
    And I think there could be child porn charges even if he didn't know, if there is proof of sexual photos being sent to him by her....although probably only if he still has them, which of course he doesn't... as of 10 minutes after that article was posted, lol.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • goldrush
    goldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,802
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Since I didn't like him as a person anyhow, this doesn't really change much for me. The underaged shit doesn't look good, that's for sure, but yeah, I don't know if he knew her age or not. Either way, I don't support such things obviously... and it wouldn't change much for me personally either, since I have never boycotted actors and artists who did bad shit and got outed.... at least not so far. Although I wouldn't buy tickets to see someone scummy. Like, I'll still watch an episode of the Cosby Show on Prime, but I'm not going to buy tix to his stand up show (in prison, lol). So let's see how this all pans out for RA. If it's proven he actually knew he was doing that with a 14 year old I'll likely not choose to spend money on tickets for his show.... and yes, part of that is because I don't want to be seen in public as a woman who would do that.
    No matter how it turns out I know I'll still listen to his music.
    So If he was sexual with 14 year olds you LIKELY wouldnt go to his shows?

    .... What the Fuck. 
    Well, I don't actually know for sure if he did anything really wrong yet, so I guess I'm just not willing to say anything definitive at the moment, that's all. I'm sure I wouldn't go to his shows if he knew he was doing that (I'd also be surprised if there were any more shows if it's proven that he did). My state of mind right now is just at the "maybe" stage in general - wait and see how it pans out. Unlike you obviously, hahaha. I just don't deal with these kinds of stories like that. I don't have a knee jerk reaction.
    I do try to follow the same line and not rush to judgement. Unfortunately these days the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' way of thinking is really hard to stick to, especially when the keyboard warriors move in for the kill.
    Even if - and it's a bloody big 'if' at this point - Ryan didn't do any of this, his public image will have taken some pretty brutal damage that will be hard to recover from. And when you think about it, how many people that have been accused of tings like this in recent years have actually been found innocent? I can't think of one right now.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    PJ_Soul said:
    DewieCox said:
    1 is enough. 
    Yes, if he knew it is, obviously.
    And I think there could be child porn charges even if he didn't know, if there is proof of sexual photos being sent to him by her....although probably only if he still has them, which of course he doesn't... as of 10 minutes after that article was posted, lol.

    What do you think he meant when he called himself R Kelly? What other reason would he need proof of her age? He was clearly baiting her into lying about her age. 

    “I would get I trouble if someone knew we talked like this”


  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    He pissed the wrong person off
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    DewieCox said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    DewieCox said:
    1 is enough. 
    Yes, if he knew it is, obviously.
    And I think there could be child porn charges even if he didn't know, if there is proof of sexual photos being sent to him by her....although probably only if he still has them, which of course he doesn't... as of 10 minutes after that article was posted, lol.

    What do you think he meant when he called himself R Kelly? What other reason would he need proof of her age? He was clearly baiting her into lying about her age. 

    “I would get I trouble if someone knew we talked like this”


    Not defending Adams because we all knew he was a whacko but did anyone think that this Times piece was underwhelming?

    There were supposedly years of texting back and forth and the R Kelly line is the only real damaging thing?

    The other girls he was with shows that he sucks at relationships, I get that, fine, he sucks.

    The 14yo story needs more.  If anything this will flush out more people if he's done this with more than one person.

    Needless to say I won't be attending his concerts anytime soon until this is cleared up.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Seemed like there were a couple others where he held his influence and industry connections over their heads in an effort to gain favor. 

    I’m willing to give him a bit of a pass on the ones that he seemed to have dated, but it does support a pattern of manipulative bahavior if nothing else.

    Hard to have much sympathy for Moore. Not to victim blame, but she was in a position to do something about it without repercussions and to seemingly blame him for her stumbling music career is a little tasteless given the other victims.

    The nude surprise Skype with a 16 year old is pretty damning. 

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