Outrage Culture

HughFreakingDillon · February 2019

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Liam Neeson is the focus of some's current outrage. this is a perfect take on it:

Yeah it's dumb to be outraged by what some actor thought to himself decades ago....but that was pretty dumb of him to bring it up. Of course there'd be a backlash, whether it's justified or not.

the problem is, it just goes to show that honesty doesn't pay. in his head, he's probably trying to speak up about something that he understands, and wants to start an honest conversation about it, thinking "I'm not racist, so this shouldn't be an issue". But then he gets pounced on for being a racist and contemplating a hate crime. it's absurd.

the SJW just don't fucking care about potentially ruining someone's life, which, in many cases, is exactly what happens.

Ledbetterman10 · February 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Liam Neeson is the focus of some's current outrage. this is a perfect take on it:

Yeah it's dumb to be outraged by what some actor thought to himself decades ago....but that was pretty dumb of him to bring it up. Of course there'd be a backlash, whether it's justified or not.

the problem is, it just goes to show that honesty doesn't pay. in his head, he's probably trying to speak up about something that he understands, and wants to start an honest conversation about it, thinking "I'm not racist, so this shouldn't be an issue". But then he gets pounced on for being a racist and contemplating a hate crime. it's absurd.

the SJW just don't fucking care about potentially ruining someone's life, which, in many cases, is exactly what happens.

Yeah it's really not an issue of racism, or Neeson or anything specific to this story. People have become like sharks. They smell blood, and they attack with a mob mentality. I still think it was foolish of Neeson to even bring this up unprompted. And he's a very famous actor so whatever he says is going to get reported on. What I hate is when normal everyday people get caught on camera doing or saying something that they shouldn't have, and it goes viral and then, as you noted, their life could be ruined.

HughFreakingDillon · February 2019

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Liam Neeson is the focus of some's current outrage. this is a perfect take on it:

Yeah it's dumb to be outraged by what some actor thought to himself decades ago....but that was pretty dumb of him to bring it up. Of course there'd be a backlash, whether it's justified or not.

the problem is, it just goes to show that honesty doesn't pay. in his head, he's probably trying to speak up about something that he understands, and wants to start an honest conversation about it, thinking "I'm not racist, so this shouldn't be an issue". But then he gets pounced on for being a racist and contemplating a hate crime. it's absurd.

the SJW just don't fucking care about potentially ruining someone's life, which, in many cases, is exactly what happens.

Yeah it's really not an issue of racism, or Neeson or anything specific to this story. People have become like sharks. They smell blood, and they attack with a mob mentality. I still think it was foolish of Neeson to even bring this up unprompted. And he's a very famous actor so whatever he says is going to get reported on. What I hate is when normal everyday people get caught on camera doing or saying something that they shouldn't have, and it goes viral and then, as you noted, their life could be ruined.

it's just that people have forgotten how to have a rational conversation. it is a real problem. you see it here all the time. some people have a real problem listening. they are just waiting for their turn to talk. now, they are waiting for their turn to pounce.

cincybearcat · February 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Liam Neeson is the focus of some's current outrage. this is a perfect take on it:

Yeah it's dumb to be outraged by what some actor thought to himself decades ago....but that was pretty dumb of him to bring it up. Of course there'd be a backlash, whether it's justified or not.

the problem is, it just goes to show that honesty doesn't pay. in his head, he's probably trying to speak up about something that he understands, and wants to start an honest conversation about it, thinking "I'm not racist, so this shouldn't be an issue". But then he gets pounced on for being a racist and contemplating a hate crime. it's absurd.

the SJW just don't fucking care about potentially ruining someone's life, which, in many cases, is exactly what happens.

Yup and it shows....don’t have an open and honest conversation

PJ_Soul · February 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Liam Neeson is the focus of some's current outrage. this is a perfect take on it:

Yeah it's dumb to be outraged by what some actor thought to himself decades ago....but that was pretty dumb of him to bring it up. Of course there'd be a backlash, whether it's justified or not.

the problem is, it just goes to show that honesty doesn't pay. in his head, he's probably trying to speak up about something that he understands, and wants to start an honest conversation about it, thinking "I'm not racist, so this shouldn't be an issue". But then he gets pounced on for being a racist and contemplating a hate crime. it's absurd.

the SJW just don't fucking care about potentially ruining someone's life, which, in many cases, is exactly what happens.

The outrage is really stupid and depressing .... almost as stupid as Liam Neeson was for telling that story to the media. WTF was he thinking?

What are black people saying about this btw? Their opinions about it are literally the only ones that matter anyhow.

cincybearcat · February 2019

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Liam Neeson is the focus of some's current outrage. this is a perfect take on it:

Yeah it's dumb to be outraged by what some actor thought to himself decades ago....but that was pretty dumb of him to bring it up. Of course there'd be a backlash, whether it's justified or not.

the problem is, it just goes to show that honesty doesn't pay. in his head, he's probably trying to speak up about something that he understands, and wants to start an honest conversation about it, thinking "I'm not racist, so this shouldn't be an issue". But then he gets pounced on for being a racist and contemplating a hate crime. it's absurd.

the SJW just don't fucking care about potentially ruining someone's life, which, in many cases, is exactly what happens.

The outrage is really stupid and depressing .... almost as stupid as Liam Neeson was for telling that story to the media. WTF was he thinking?
What are black people saying about this btw? Their opinions about it are literally the only ones that matter anyhow.

I don’t think so. I don’t think their opinion on whether or not this is offensive matters anymore than others. Sometimes yes...when it is an immediate action/word/etc.

The fact that Liam can’t mention this without crazy racist outrage is a big problem. Cause again, it was a great time to have a conversation.

I would like it if people could talk open and honest about past thoughts, beliefs etc and why they changed. That is what everyone deserves to hear.

PJ_Soul · February 2019

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Liam Neeson is the focus of some's current outrage. this is a perfect take on it:

Yeah it's dumb to be outraged by what some actor thought to himself decades ago....but that was pretty dumb of him to bring it up. Of course there'd be a backlash, whether it's justified or not.

the problem is, it just goes to show that honesty doesn't pay. in his head, he's probably trying to speak up about something that he understands, and wants to start an honest conversation about it, thinking "I'm not racist, so this shouldn't be an issue". But then he gets pounced on for being a racist and contemplating a hate crime. it's absurd.

the SJW just don't fucking care about potentially ruining someone's life, which, in many cases, is exactly what happens.

The outrage is really stupid and depressing .... almost as stupid as Liam Neeson was for telling that story to the media. WTF was he thinking?
What are black people saying about this btw? Their opinions about it are literally the only ones that matter anyhow.

I don’t think so. I don’t think their opinion on whether or not this is offensive matters anymore than others. Sometimes yes...when it is an immediate action/word/etc.

The fact that Liam can’t mention this without crazy racist outrage is a big problem. Cause again, it was a great time to have a conversation.

I would like it if people could talk open and honest about past thoughts, beliefs etc and why they changed. That is what everyone deserves to hear.

I think that those against whom an insult is made are absolutely the most important party when it comes to how it plays out. Of course black people's opinions about racist things directed at them matters more than how white people feel about it. I am definitely not assuming black people are more offended by this particular thing. But how they feel does matter.

I agree that him not being able to say this is a big problem. It's insane. But if he didn't want this reaction, he should have kept him mouth shut. He should have known better, because surely he's as aware as the rest of us how stupid the public/media reaction is to stuff like this. I bet he regrets opening his mouth about it now!

cincybearcat · February 2019

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Liam Neeson is the focus of some's current outrage. this is a perfect take on it:

Yeah it's dumb to be outraged by what some actor thought to himself decades ago....but that was pretty dumb of him to bring it up. Of course there'd be a backlash, whether it's justified or not.

the problem is, it just goes to show that honesty doesn't pay. in his head, he's probably trying to speak up about something that he understands, and wants to start an honest conversation about it, thinking "I'm not racist, so this shouldn't be an issue". But then he gets pounced on for being a racist and contemplating a hate crime. it's absurd.

the SJW just don't fucking care about potentially ruining someone's life, which, in many cases, is exactly what happens.

The outrage is really stupid and depressing .... almost as stupid as Liam Neeson was for telling that story to the media. WTF was he thinking?
What are black people saying about this btw? Their opinions about it are literally the only ones that matter anyhow.

I don’t think so. I don’t think their opinion on whether or not this is offensive matters anymore than others. Sometimes yes...when it is an immediate action/word/etc.

The fact that Liam can’t mention this without crazy racist outrage is a big problem. Cause again, it was a great time to have a conversation.

I would like it if people could talk open and honest about past thoughts, beliefs etc and why they changed. That is what everyone deserves to hear.

I think that those against whom an insult is made are absolutely the most important party when it comes to how it plays out. Of course black people's opinions about racist things directed at them matters more than how white people feel about it. I am definitely not assuming black people are more offended by this particular thing. But how they feel does matter.
I agree that him not being about to say this is a big problem. It's insane. But if he didn't want this reaction, he should have kept him mouth shut. He should have known better, because surely he's as aware as the rest of us how stupid the public/media reaction is to stuff like this. I bet he regrets opening his mouth about it now!

I disagree 100%. Telling him to keep his mouth shut is awful.

PJ_Soul · February 2019

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Liam Neeson is the focus of some's current outrage. this is a perfect take on it:

Yeah it's dumb to be outraged by what some actor thought to himself decades ago....but that was pretty dumb of him to bring it up. Of course there'd be a backlash, whether it's justified or not.

the problem is, it just goes to show that honesty doesn't pay. in his head, he's probably trying to speak up about something that he understands, and wants to start an honest conversation about it, thinking "I'm not racist, so this shouldn't be an issue". But then he gets pounced on for being a racist and contemplating a hate crime. it's absurd.

the SJW just don't fucking care about potentially ruining someone's life, which, in many cases, is exactly what happens.

The outrage is really stupid and depressing .... almost as stupid as Liam Neeson was for telling that story to the media. WTF was he thinking?
What are black people saying about this btw? Their opinions about it are literally the only ones that matter anyhow.

I don’t think so. I don’t think their opinion on whether or not this is offensive matters anymore than others. Sometimes yes...when it is an immediate action/word/etc.

The fact that Liam can’t mention this without crazy racist outrage is a big problem. Cause again, it was a great time to have a conversation.

I would like it if people could talk open and honest about past thoughts, beliefs etc and why they changed. That is what everyone deserves to hear.

I think that those against whom an insult is made are absolutely the most important party when it comes to how it plays out. Of course black people's opinions about racist things directed at them matters more than how white people feel about it. I am definitely not assuming black people are more offended by this particular thing. But how they feel does matter.
I agree that him not being about to say this is a big problem. It's insane. But if he didn't want this reaction, he should have kept him mouth shut. He should have known better, because surely he's as aware as the rest of us how stupid the public/media reaction is to stuff like this. I bet he regrets opening his mouth about it now!

I disagree 100%. Telling him to keep his mouth shut is awful.

Who told him to keep his mouth shut? I'm literally agreeing with you man, lol. I'm simply saying that the results of him not keeping his mouth shut were predictable, so if he didn't want the reaction then he should have. If he is okay with the backlash or feels strongly enough about telling the world this story that he's willing to take the consequences for doing so, then he shouldn't have.

PJ_Soul · February 2019

I said what matters with the Liam Neeson thing is how black people feel about it. Well this is just one black person (who I happen to really like as a media personality), but his thoughts about it mean more to me than any white person's. (No idea if this fb link will work for people, but it's not on YouTube yet)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157277104651800&id=7976226799

brianlux · February 2019

benjs said:

One more point.. It's becoming increasingly simple to program your production capacity rather than hire it. We're now getting dangerously sophisticated with our rate of machine learning (what's colloquially called artificial intelligence). There is no way that businesses are ready to deny themselves efficiencies that come at greatly reduced costs, and both skilled and unskilled workers risk becoming redundant. This will become an epidemic of unemployment, and a further concentration of wealth, until your wealth is defined by how many robots you control.

Good point, Ben. And with unemployment comes boredom which is eased by staying glued to the iPhone or TV, further reducing creativity which is the very antidote to living in a machine world.

cincybearcat · February 2019

PJ_Soul said:

I said what matters with the Liam Neeson thing is how black people feel about it. Well this is just one black person (who I happen to really like as a media personality), but his thoughts about it mean more to me than any white person's. (No idea if this fb link will work for people, but it's not on YouTube yet)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157277104651800&id=7976226799

That was a terrific take. I agree with everything he said there. Key points for me:

1) wanting a world where people offer this stuff up instead of “getting caught”
2) No incentive/reward for atonement (can’t rememebr his exact words)
3) People do have to admit it is a racist thought they had and not jump to “I’m not racist” but without #2 above that won’t be happening.

I thought his point about how and where it was said was interesting. It shouldn’t matter but it does.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2019

To the more recent comments in this thread... there have been multiple occasions where I have found some pretty honest questions/comments pertaining to race to have been attacked by the masses here in this forum.

In particular: the cop abuse thread where people have questioned crime rates in inner cities and the demographics associated with them... or some of the terrorist act threads (that are somewhat in the past fortunately) where people have questioned religion.

I think there are legitimate conversations that need to be had without people fearing the ostracization that comes with questioning 'the elephant in the room' (so to speak).

Don't get me wrong. There have been posts that have fallen well outside the levels of appropriateness and I am not saying they should be respected. I do think that these types of conversations need to be handled somewhat delicately given the nature of them; however, even when attempts are made to approach the subject sensitively... the response is typically scornful.

josevolution · February 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

see Tom Brokaw's comments on meet the press and the subsequent backlash.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/media/tom-brokaw-nbc-meet-the-press/index.html

Well, I'm not sure what's wrong with what Brokaw said. I'd like to know. Seems to me, if I decided to permanently move to Italy, I would want to learn Italian. If I were to move permanently to Guadalajara, I would want to learn to speak Spanish. And visa versa. How can one expect to get on well in another country if you don't learn the language spoken there?

So what did Brokaw say that was wrong?

I agree, I don't think he said anything wrong. all he said was basically that to be as successful as one can hope for in america, learning the culture and the language is an essential part of that.

but nope. OUTRAGE. he's a racist! he's xenophobic!

of course, it bothers me when people think that just because someone lives in canada or the US that they are obligated to learn and speak english. I don't see his comments as saying that though.

I remember the 1st thing I wanted & had to learn when I arrived in US back in 71 was to learn English plus I moved into neighborhood with no other Spanish families .

HughFreakingDillon · February 2019

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

To the more recent comments in this thread... there have been multiple occasions where I have found some pretty honest questions/comments pertaining to race to have been attacked by the masses here in this forum.

In particular: the cop abuse thread where people have questioned crime rates in inner cities and the demographics associated with them... or some of the terrorist act threads (that are somewhat in the past fortunately) where people have questioned religion.

I think there are legitimate conversations that need to be had without people fearing the ostracization that comes with questioning 'the elephant in the room' (so to speak).

Don't get me wrong. There have been posts that have fallen well outside the levels of appropriateness and I am not saying they should be respected. I do think that these types of conversations need to be handled somewhat delicately given the nature of them; however, even when attempts are made to approach the subject sensitively... the response is typically scornful.

agreed 100%.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

To the more recent comments in this thread... there have been multiple occasions where I have found some pretty honest questions/comments pertaining to race to have been attacked by the masses here in this forum.

In particular: the cop abuse thread where people have questioned crime rates in inner cities and the demographics associated with them... or some of the terrorist act threads (that are somewhat in the past fortunately) where people have questioned religion.

I think there are legitimate conversations that need to be had without people fearing the ostracization that comes with questioning 'the elephant in the room' (so to speak).

Don't get me wrong. There have been posts that have fallen well outside the levels of appropriateness and I am not saying they should be respected. I do think that these types of conversations need to be handled somewhat delicately given the nature of them; however, even when attempts are made to approach the subject sensitively... the response is typically scornful.

agreed 100%.

Lol

100%?

Okay... timeout.

Let me review what I wrote. What madness is this?

cincybearcat · February 2019

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

To the more recent comments in this thread... there have been multiple occasions where I have found some pretty honest questions/comments pertaining to race to have been attacked by the masses here in this forum.

In particular: the cop abuse thread where people have questioned crime rates in inner cities and the demographics associated with them... or some of the terrorist act threads (that are somewhat in the past fortunately) where people have questioned religion.

I think there are legitimate conversations that need to be had without people fearing the ostracization that comes with questioning 'the elephant in the room' (so to speak).

Don't get me wrong. There have been posts that have fallen well outside the levels of appropriateness and I am not saying they should be respected. I do think that these types of conversations need to be handled somewhat delicately given the nature of them; however, even when attempts are made to approach the subject sensitively... the response is typically scornful.

agreed 100%.

Lol

100%?

Okay... timeout.

Let me review what I wrote. What madness is this?

Ummm I agree with you to. So perhaps you mistyped something?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · February 2019

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

To the more recent comments in this thread... there have been multiple occasions where I have found some pretty honest questions/comments pertaining to race to have been attacked by the masses here in this forum.

In particular: the cop abuse thread where people have questioned crime rates in inner cities and the demographics associated with them... or some of the terrorist act threads (that are somewhat in the past fortunately) where people have questioned religion.

I think there are legitimate conversations that need to be had without people fearing the ostracization that comes with questioning 'the elephant in the room' (so to speak).

Don't get me wrong. There have been posts that have fallen well outside the levels of appropriateness and I am not saying they should be respected. I do think that these types of conversations need to be handled somewhat delicately given the nature of them; however, even when attempts are made to approach the subject sensitively... the response is typically scornful.

agreed 100%.

Lol

100%?

Okay... timeout.

Let me review what I wrote. What madness is this?

Ummm I agree with you to. So perhaps you mistyped something?

I think I had an out of mind experience or something like that?

jerparker20 · February 2019

Late to is party, and not trying to interrupt the convo...

Regarding “outrage culture” and social media /news anxiety. I was way deep into the Twitter/Facebook/Cable news feedback loop, and it was really fucking with my metal health and driving my wife a little nuts. At the start of the year, I deleted Twitter and facebook off of my cellphone (don’t have a laptop and can’t access those sites at the office) and stopped watching the morning political talk shows/news and started going to the gym and listening to Grateful Dead bootlegs instead.

What a difference. I’ve noticed I’m much calmer, not nearly as wired, and sleeping better. The wife is happier as well.

HughFreakingDillon · April 2019

jerparker20 said:

Late to is party, and not trying to interrupt the convo...

Regarding “outrage culture” and social media /news anxiety. I was way deep into the Twitter/Facebook/Cable news feedback loop, and it was really fucking with my metal health and driving my wife a little nuts. At the start of the year, I deleted Twitter and facebook off of my cellphone (don’t have a laptop and can’t access those sites at the office) and stopped watching the morning political talk shows/news and started going to the gym and listening to Grateful Dead bootlegs instead.

What a difference. I’ve noticed I’m much calmer, not nearly as wired, and sleeping better. The wife is happier as well.

it really can have a profound affect.

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