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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,195
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    One kid said it, come on. 
    Yeah, boys will be boys. He didn't mean it. He's a stupid insecure teenager trying to impress his friends. We all did it...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • CM189191 said:
    Can't wait for the next obscure video.

    People suck no matter what...
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    One kid said it, come on. 
    Yeah, boys will be boys. He didn't mean it. He's a stupid insecure teenager trying to impress his friends. We all did it...
    I'm not defending what he said but one kid said it, not the whole school.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,195
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    I noticed he was decked out in Bengals attire so he obviously has a lot of underlying issues...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    tbergs said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    I noticed he was decked out in Bengals attire so he obviously has a lot of underlying issues...
     No shit. Nice try. I was born in Pittsburgh. Cincy for college ;)
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  • CM189191 said:
    Send your daughters over after they’ve had their two hours of the keg all to themselves. They’ll be fine, no worries.
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  • 1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,517
    some mental gymnastics trying to defend these shitheads
  • 1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
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  • tbergs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I watched the WHOLE video - all 1 hour 46 minutes of it (the kids don't factor in for the first hour or more). There was no Jewish group there at all as far as I can tell. They were nut job racist Christians who think there are race wars in America's near future. They do keep calling themselves the "children of Israel", but they are praising Jesus.
    God bless you.

    What other nuggets did you uncover?
    Well, here is the blow by blow synopsis, lol.

    This crazy "Christian" loudmouth was with I think 4 other people, but he was the mouthpiece for this little ragtag gang of religious misfits, lol. The others mostly stayed quiet. He was just standing in the middle of the square shouting hateful religious and political nonsense to anyone who happened to be walking by or standing in the general vicinity. He was basically the political equivalent of one of those people dressed in rags on a street corner holding up a sign about how the world is ending and to repent, babbling about end of days. A few people tried to engage/debate him, but he was just spewing such hateful, vile garbage that very few had the patience to engage for any amount of time (he was sexist, homophobic, racist, you name it, and at the same time hating on Trump and the Catholic Church, and both major political parties and everyone who support either one - he literally hates EVERYONE, lol). He was particularly disgusting when this women tried to engage. He and his buddies was SO fucking sexist towards her. Meanwhile, this group of teenagers were slowly gathering way in the background. As that group grew, more of them seemed to start taking note of what this crackpot was yelling about, although they just seemed amused, like "look at the clown over there" kind of attitude, which seemed appropriate. 

    Eventually, when the crowd of teens got big enough, the loudmouth turned around and started yelling in their direction - he finally realized maybe he had an audience that wasn't going to walk away any time soon. He kind of started raving at them. Once the group of teens realized that THEY had an audience in this crazy ranting freak, THEY started acting up. At first they kind of took the ranting for what it was - stupid crap. They were kind of laughing it off, though they obviously didn't agree with this guy's racist or homophobic slurs and other insults. They were basically acting like normal people do when confronted by a raving lunatic on the street: not taking it seriously. However, things suddenly took a turn when, in an almost organic or telepathic kind of way, the entire group of teens turned into an aggressive mob. It was a strange transition. They went from normal people to aggressive fucking douchebags in a matter of seconds. Yes, it was indeed TOXIC MASCULINITY. They suddenly started this kind of chest thumping chant, which I guess they all got from cheering on their sports teams at school. Then some ridiculous kid broke from the crowd and started tearing all his clothes off as his classmates cheered and got really riled up. They continued to chant in this super off-putting aggressive way, some literally pounding their chests (the crazy man referenced cavemen, and that was a rather apt comment). This behaviour really gave the loudmouth some material to work with - his insults became somewhat more intense. The teens really opened themselves up to criticism when they started acting like that, but still, the crazy man was just spewing mostly manic garbage.

    So there is this big crowd of teens getting all aggressive and very loud and into the mob mentality, while this crazy man and his four friends just stood there, loudmouth continuing to yell bad things, such as how all of them were fixing to be school shooters because they are white and male and had on MAGA hats. The crowd started moving towards the few men, and it definitely started getting physically intimidating - it was probably 100 on 5 after all. At one point an adult who was with the kids tried to tell them to move back, but didn't try very hard at all to diffuse the mounting tension (I will say that the adults with these kids FAILED as chaperones in a BIG way). This is about when the man with the drum came along. He obviously spotted that this situation had suddenly escalated into a big aggressive mob moving towards 5 crazy men, so he stepped between the two parties playing his drum. I personally think his peaceful intentions were very clear. The teenaged mob then quickly and completely surrounded the drummer (seeming to forget about the crazy guy altogether), and they were hyped up, and started, from what I could tell, mocking the Native guy by gleefully chanting like Natives to the beat of the drum, and laughing and stuff. If I had been that guy with the drum, I definitely would have been worried. So this is when we come to the kid with the most smug mug on the face of the planet, lol. Just standing there grinning like that, in that scene, 100% YES that kid was being a little piece of arrogant shit in the face of this peacemaker. Absolutely. What I can't understand is WHY in the world the kids reacted to the drummer like that. I think they were all just swept up in a spontaneous and pointless display of aggression that, frankly, they mostly created themselves.
    I'm sorry, I can't handle large brain purge blobs in text. Maybe you could make a YouTube reaction video to you watching the video that I could follow along with? Make sure you exaggerate your facial expressions for dramatic effect too. I'd enjoy that best.

    She watched the entire clip. She was asked (or challenged) to reveal what else she saw. She laid it out there in pretty decent fashion. Her account pretty much sums up what everybody already knew- the kids were f**king assholes. And not only at the point of contention, but at various points throughout the day with various people.

    So... just as the shitbirds did with the old man... mock her for her effort if you think that makes the moment less damning for the Catholic losers. 
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  • Smellyman said:
    some mental gymnastics trying to defend these shitheads

    Bizarre.

    Absolutely bizarre.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,739
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I watched the WHOLE video - all 1 hour 46 minutes of it (the kids don't factor in for the first hour or more). There was no Jewish group there at all as far as I can tell. They were nut job racist Christians who think there are race wars in America's near future. They do keep calling themselves the "children of Israel", but they are praising Jesus.
    God bless you.

    What other nuggets did you uncover?
    Well, here is the blow by blow synopsis, lol.

    This crazy "Christian" loudmouth was with I think 4 other people, but he was the mouthpiece for this little ragtag gang of religious misfits, lol. The others mostly stayed quiet. He was just standing in the middle of the square shouting hateful religious and political nonsense to anyone who happened to be walking by or standing in the general vicinity. He was basically the political equivalent of one of those people dressed in rags on a street corner holding up a sign about how the world is ending and to repent, babbling about end of days. A few people tried to engage/debate him, but he was just spewing such hateful, vile garbage that very few had the patience to engage for any amount of time (he was sexist, homophobic, racist, you name it, and at the same time hating on Trump and the Catholic Church, and both major political parties and everyone who support either one - he literally hates EVERYONE, lol). He was particularly disgusting when this women tried to engage. He and his buddies was SO fucking sexist towards her. Meanwhile, this group of teenagers were slowly gathering way in the background. As that group grew, more of them seemed to start taking note of what this crackpot was yelling about, although they just seemed amused, like "look at the clown over there" kind of attitude, which seemed appropriate. 

    Eventually, when the crowd of teens got big enough, the loudmouth turned around and started yelling in their direction - he finally realized maybe he had an audience that wasn't going to walk away any time soon. He kind of started raving at them. Once the group of teens realized that THEY had an audience in this crazy ranting freak, THEY started acting up. At first they kind of took the ranting for what it was - stupid crap. They were kind of laughing it off, though they obviously didn't agree with this guy's racist or homophobic slurs and other insults. They were basically acting like normal people do when confronted by a raving lunatic on the street: not taking it seriously. However, things suddenly took a turn when, in an almost organic or telepathic kind of way, the entire group of teens turned into an aggressive mob. It was a strange transition. They went from normal people to aggressive fucking douchebags in a matter of seconds. Yes, it was indeed TOXIC MASCULINITY. They suddenly started this kind of chest thumping chant, which I guess they all got from cheering on their sports teams at school. Then some ridiculous kid broke from the crowd and started tearing all his clothes off as his classmates cheered and got really riled up. They continued to chant in this super off-putting aggressive way, some literally pounding their chests (the crazy man referenced cavemen, and that was a rather apt comment). This behaviour really gave the loudmouth some material to work with - his insults became somewhat more intense. The teens really opened themselves up to criticism when they started acting like that, but still, the crazy man was just spewing mostly manic garbage.

    So there is this big crowd of teens getting all aggressive and very loud and into the mob mentality, while this crazy man and his four friends just stood there, loudmouth continuing to yell bad things, such as how all of them were fixing to be school shooters because they are white and male and had on MAGA hats. The crowd started moving towards the few men, and it definitely started getting physically intimidating - it was probably 100 on 5 after all. At one point an adult who was with the kids tried to tell them to move back, but didn't try very hard at all to diffuse the mounting tension (I will say that the adults with these kids FAILED as chaperones in a BIG way). This is about when the man with the drum came along. He obviously spotted that this situation had suddenly escalated into a big aggressive mob moving towards 5 crazy men, so he stepped between the two parties playing his drum. I personally think his peaceful intentions were very clear. The teenaged mob then quickly and completely surrounded the drummer (seeming to forget about the crazy guy altogether), and they were hyped up, and started, from what I could tell, mocking the Native guy by gleefully chanting like Natives to the beat of the drum, and laughing and stuff. If I had been that guy with the drum, I definitely would have been worried. So this is when we come to the kid with the most smug mug on the face of the planet, lol. Just standing there grinning like that, in that scene, 100% YES that kid was being a little piece of arrogant shit in the face of this peacemaker. Absolutely. What I can't understand is WHY in the world the kids reacted to the drummer like that. I think they were all just swept up in a spontaneous and pointless display of aggression that, frankly, they mostly created themselves.
    I was going to dive into this but see no need to now.

    Thank you for the report.
  • mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
    I've mentioned before that I have a Make America RAGE Again hat and I won't wear it because I'm afraid some idiot won't read it and start a fight w me and then I'm going to jail.

    That's what our world has become...
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I watched the WHOLE video - all 1 hour 46 minutes of it (the kids don't factor in for the first hour or more). There was no Jewish group there at all as far as I can tell. They were nut job racist Christians who think there are race wars in America's near future. They do keep calling themselves the "children of Israel", but they are praising Jesus.
    God bless you.

    What other nuggets did you uncover?
    Well, here is the blow by blow synopsis, lol.

    This crazy "Christian" loudmouth was with I think 4 other people, but he was the mouthpiece for this little ragtag gang of religious misfits, lol. The others mostly stayed quiet. He was just standing in the middle of the square shouting hateful religious and political nonsense to anyone who happened to be walking by or standing in the general vicinity. He was basically the political equivalent of one of those people dressed in rags on a street corner holding up a sign about how the world is ending and to repent, babbling about end of days. A few people tried to engage/debate him, but he was just spewing such hateful, vile garbage that very few had the patience to engage for any amount of time (he was sexist, homophobic, racist, you name it, and at the same time hating on Trump and the Catholic Church, and both major political parties and everyone who support either one - he literally hates EVERYONE, lol). He was particularly disgusting when this women tried to engage. He and his buddies was SO fucking sexist towards her. Meanwhile, this group of teenagers were slowly gathering way in the background. As that group grew, more of them seemed to start taking note of what this crackpot was yelling about, although they just seemed amused, like "look at the clown over there" kind of attitude, which seemed appropriate. 

    Eventually, when the crowd of teens got big enough, the loudmouth turned around and started yelling in their direction - he finally realized maybe he had an audience that wasn't going to walk away any time soon. He kind of started raving at them. Once the group of teens realized that THEY had an audience in this crazy ranting freak, THEY started acting up. At first they kind of took the ranting for what it was - stupid crap. They were kind of laughing it off, though they obviously didn't agree with this guy's racist or homophobic slurs and other insults. They were basically acting like normal people do when confronted by a raving lunatic on the street: not taking it seriously. However, things suddenly took a turn when, in an almost organic or telepathic kind of way, the entire group of teens turned into an aggressive mob. It was a strange transition. They went from normal people to aggressive fucking douchebags in a matter of seconds. Yes, it was indeed TOXIC MASCULINITY. They suddenly started this kind of chest thumping chant, which I guess they all got from cheering on their sports teams at school. Then some ridiculous kid broke from the crowd and started tearing all his clothes off as his classmates cheered and got really riled up. They continued to chant in this super off-putting aggressive way, some literally pounding their chests (the crazy man referenced cavemen, and that was a rather apt comment). This behaviour really gave the loudmouth some material to work with - his insults became somewhat more intense. The teens really opened themselves up to criticism when they started acting like that, but still, the crazy man was just spewing mostly manic garbage.

    So there is this big crowd of teens getting all aggressive and very loud and into the mob mentality, while this crazy man and his four friends just stood there, loudmouth continuing to yell bad things, such as how all of them were fixing to be school shooters because they are white and male and had on MAGA hats. The crowd started moving towards the few men, and it definitely started getting physically intimidating - it was probably 100 on 5 after all. At one point an adult who was with the kids tried to tell them to move back, but didn't try very hard at all to diffuse the mounting tension (I will say that the adults with these kids FAILED as chaperones in a BIG way). This is about when the man with the drum came along. He obviously spotted that this situation had suddenly escalated into a big aggressive mob moving towards 5 crazy men, so he stepped between the two parties playing his drum. I personally think his peaceful intentions were very clear. The teenaged mob then quickly and completely surrounded the drummer (seeming to forget about the crazy guy altogether), and they were hyped up, and started, from what I could tell, mocking the Native guy by gleefully chanting like Natives to the beat of the drum, and laughing and stuff. If I had been that guy with the drum, I definitely would have been worried. So this is when we come to the kid with the most smug mug on the face of the planet, lol. Just standing there grinning like that, in that scene, 100% YES that kid was being a little piece of arrogant shit in the face of this peacemaker. Absolutely. What I can't understand is WHY in the world the kids reacted to the drummer like that. I think they were all just swept up in a spontaneous and pointless display of aggression that, frankly, they mostly created themselves.
    I was going to dive into this but see no need to now.

    Thank you for the report.
    Ill have to watch again. Cause I didn’t get “angry mob” from it. Not that what some kids did was right, not excusing that. But I didn’t get any anger from most people other than the idiots that started the entire mess and were happy about it.
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  • PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I watched the WHOLE video - all 1 hour 46 minutes of it (the kids don't factor in for the first hour or more). There was no Jewish group there at all as far as I can tell. They were nut job racist Christians who think there are race wars in America's near future. They do keep calling themselves the "children of Israel", but they are praising Jesus.
    God bless you.

    What other nuggets did you uncover?
    Well, here is the blow by blow synopsis, lol.

    This crazy "Christian" loudmouth was with I think 4 other people, but he was the mouthpiece for this little ragtag gang of religious misfits, lol. The others mostly stayed quiet. He was just standing in the middle of the square shouting hateful religious and political nonsense to anyone who happened to be walking by or standing in the general vicinity. He was basically the political equivalent of one of those people dressed in rags on a street corner holding up a sign about how the world is ending and to repent, babbling about end of days. A few people tried to engage/debate him, but he was just spewing such hateful, vile garbage that very few had the patience to engage for any amount of time (he was sexist, homophobic, racist, you name it, and at the same time hating on Trump and the Catholic Church, and both major political parties and everyone who support either one - he literally hates EVERYONE, lol). He was particularly disgusting when this women tried to engage. He and his buddies was SO fucking sexist towards her. Meanwhile, this group of teenagers were slowly gathering way in the background. As that group grew, more of them seemed to start taking note of what this crackpot was yelling about, although they just seemed amused, like "look at the clown over there" kind of attitude, which seemed appropriate. 

    Eventually, when the crowd of teens got big enough, the loudmouth turned around and started yelling in their direction - he finally realized maybe he had an audience that wasn't going to walk away any time soon. He kind of started raving at them. Once the group of teens realized that THEY had an audience in this crazy ranting freak, THEY started acting up. At first they kind of took the ranting for what it was - stupid crap. They were kind of laughing it off, though they obviously didn't agree with this guy's racist or homophobic slurs and other insults. They were basically acting like normal people do when confronted by a raving lunatic on the street: not taking it seriously. However, things suddenly took a turn when, in an almost organic or telepathic kind of way, the entire group of teens turned into an aggressive mob. It was a strange transition. They went from normal people to aggressive fucking douchebags in a matter of seconds. Yes, it was indeed TOXIC MASCULINITY. They suddenly started this kind of chest thumping chant, which I guess they all got from cheering on their sports teams at school. Then some ridiculous kid broke from the crowd and started tearing all his clothes off as his classmates cheered and got really riled up. They continued to chant in this super off-putting aggressive way, some literally pounding their chests (the crazy man referenced cavemen, and that was a rather apt comment). This behaviour really gave the loudmouth some material to work with - his insults became somewhat more intense. The teens really opened themselves up to criticism when they started acting like that, but still, the crazy man was just spewing mostly manic garbage.

    So there is this big crowd of teens getting all aggressive and very loud and into the mob mentality, while this crazy man and his four friends just stood there, loudmouth continuing to yell bad things, such as how all of them were fixing to be school shooters because they are white and male and had on MAGA hats. The crowd started moving towards the few men, and it definitely started getting physically intimidating - it was probably 100 on 5 after all. At one point an adult who was with the kids tried to tell them to move back, but didn't try very hard at all to diffuse the mounting tension (I will say that the adults with these kids FAILED as chaperones in a BIG way). This is about when the man with the drum came along. He obviously spotted that this situation had suddenly escalated into a big aggressive mob moving towards 5 crazy men, so he stepped between the two parties playing his drum. I personally think his peaceful intentions were very clear. The teenaged mob then quickly and completely surrounded the drummer (seeming to forget about the crazy guy altogether), and they were hyped up, and started, from what I could tell, mocking the Native guy by gleefully chanting like Natives to the beat of the drum, and laughing and stuff. If I had been that guy with the drum, I definitely would have been worried. So this is when we come to the kid with the most smug mug on the face of the planet, lol. Just standing there grinning like that, in that scene, 100% YES that kid was being a little piece of arrogant shit in the face of this peacemaker. Absolutely. What I can't understand is WHY in the world the kids reacted to the drummer like that. I think they were all just swept up in a spontaneous and pointless display of aggression that, frankly, they mostly created themselves.
    I was going to dive into this but see no need to now.

    Thank you for the report.
    Ill have to watch again. Cause I didn’t get “angry mob” from it. Not that what some kids did was right, not excusing that. But I didn’t get any anger from most people other than the idiots that started the entire mess and were happy about it.
    I'm all for another point of view.

  • mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
    I've mentioned before that I have a Make America RAGE Again hat and I won't wear it because I'm afraid some idiot won't read it and start a fight w me and then I'm going to jail.

    That's what our world has become...
    I’m not advocating violence against anyone that wears anything with any kind of political message. Freedom of speech but you also need to realize that certain “messages” will provoke a response. Funny, all the MAGA hat wearing folks would be outraged by a flag burning but then complain about being “threatened” “intimidated” or “ridiculed” for wearing a MAGA hat.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
    I've mentioned before that I have a Make America RAGE Again hat and I won't wear it because I'm afraid some idiot won't read it and start a fight w me and then I'm going to jail.

    That's what our world has become...
    I’m not advocating violence against anyone that wears anything with any kind of political message. Freedom of speech but you also need to realize that certain “messages” will provoke a response. Funny, all the MAGA hat wearing folks would be outraged by a flag burning but then complain about being “threatened” “intimidated” or “ridiculed” for wearing a MAGA hat.
    People are certainly hypocritical. Especially, it seems, the overtly MAGA wearers.

    You know, I have a very negative reaction whenever I see someone wearing that stuff. Saw it at Cedar Point in line and was disgusted. Ended up talking to the guy a bit, since we were in line for a coaster for a while. No politics just talking about the park, coasters, etc. Was a nice talk. 

    I think my problem with it is why people wear that stuff. It’s very team oriented...like a taunt if you disagree. And I think it has certainly become different then just wearing other political garb.


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  • mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
    I've mentioned before that I have a Make America RAGE Again hat and I won't wear it because I'm afraid some idiot won't read it and start a fight w me and then I'm going to jail.

    That's what our world has become...
    I’m not advocating violence against anyone that wears anything with any kind of political message. Freedom of speech but you also need to realize that certain “messages” will provoke a response. Funny, all the MAGA hat wearing folks would be outraged by a flag burning but then complain about being “threatened” “intimidated” or “ridiculed” for wearing a MAGA hat.
    People are certainly hypocritical. Especially, it seems, the overtly MAGA wearers.

    You know, I have a very negative reaction whenever I see someone wearing that stuff. Saw it at Cedar Point in line and was disgusted. Ended up talking to the guy a bit, since we were in line for a coaster for a while. No politics just talking about the park, coasters, etc. Was a nice talk. 

    I think my problem with it is why people wear that stuff. It’s very team oriented...like a taunt if you disagree. And I think it has certainly become different then just wearing other political garb.


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  • mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
    I've mentioned before that I have a Make America RAGE Again hat and I won't wear it because I'm afraid some idiot won't read it and start a fight w me and then I'm going to jail.

    That's what our world has become...
    I'm a huge Tom Morello fan but those "Make America Rage Again" hats might be the stupidest thing I've seen in a while. As you can attest to: OF COURSE people are going to think it's a MAGA hat. It looks exactly the same with one word changed. Why not make it a different color? 
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
    I've mentioned before that I have a Make America RAGE Again hat and I won't wear it because I'm afraid some idiot won't read it and start a fight w me and then I'm going to jail.

    That's what our world has become...
    I’m not advocating violence against anyone that wears anything with any kind of political message. Freedom of speech but you also need to realize that certain “messages” will provoke a response. Funny, all the MAGA hat wearing folks would be outraged by a flag burning but then complain about being “threatened” “intimidated” or “ridiculed” for wearing a MAGA hat.
    People are certainly hypocritical. Especially, it seems, the overtly MAGA wearers.

    You know, I have a very negative reaction whenever I see someone wearing that stuff. Saw it at Cedar Point in line and was disgusted. Ended up talking to the guy a bit, since we were in line for a coaster for a while. No politics just talking about the park, coasters, etc. Was a nice talk. 

    I think my problem with it is why people wear that stuff. It’s very team oriented...like a taunt if you disagree. And I think it has certainly become different then just wearing other political garb.


    Yeah, it's definitely something that is done antagonistically most of the time.
    I've heard people say it's the "new white hood" but that isn't accurate.
    A white hood is an outward show of open hatred.  A MAGA hat isn't that extreme.  It's more like the "new Confederate flag" because it's intent is generally to antagonize while leaving space to deny the obvious connection to shithead behaviour.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
    I've mentioned before that I have a Make America RAGE Again hat and I won't wear it because I'm afraid some idiot won't read it and start a fight w me and then I'm going to jail.

    That's what our world has become...
    I’m not advocating violence against anyone that wears anything with any kind of political message. Freedom of speech but you also need to realize that certain “messages” will provoke a response. Funny, all the MAGA hat wearing folks would be outraged by a flag burning but then complain about being “threatened” “intimidated” or “ridiculed” for wearing a MAGA hat.
    People are certainly hypocritical. Especially, it seems, the overtly MAGA wearers.

    You know, I have a very negative reaction whenever I see someone wearing that stuff. Saw it at Cedar Point in line and was disgusted. Ended up talking to the guy a bit, since we were in line for a coaster for a while. No politics just talking about the park, coasters, etc. Was a nice talk. 

    I think my problem with it is why people wear that stuff. It’s very team oriented...like a taunt if you disagree. And I think it has certainly become different then just wearing other political garb.


    Yeah, it's definitely something that is done antagonistically most of the time.
    I've heard people say it's the "new white hood" but that isn't accurate.
    A white hood is an outward show of open hatred.  A MAGA hat isn't that extreme.  It's more like the "new Confederate flag" because it's intent is generally to antagonize while leaving space to deny the obvious connection to shithead behaviour.
    I like your idea here on the comparison.
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  • rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
    I've mentioned before that I have a Make America RAGE Again hat and I won't wear it because I'm afraid some idiot won't read it and start a fight w me and then I'm going to jail.

    That's what our world has become...
    I’m not advocating violence against anyone that wears anything with any kind of political message. Freedom of speech but you also need to realize that certain “messages” will provoke a response. Funny, all the MAGA hat wearing folks would be outraged by a flag burning but then complain about being “threatened” “intimidated” or “ridiculed” for wearing a MAGA hat.
    People are certainly hypocritical. Especially, it seems, the overtly MAGA wearers.

    You know, I have a very negative reaction whenever I see someone wearing that stuff. Saw it at Cedar Point in line and was disgusted. Ended up talking to the guy a bit, since we were in line for a coaster for a while. No politics just talking about the park, coasters, etc. Was a nice talk. 

    I think my problem with it is why people wear that stuff. It’s very team oriented...like a taunt if you disagree. And I think it has certainly become different then just wearing other political garb.


    Yeah, it's definitely something that is done antagonistically most of the time.
    I've heard people say it's the "new white hood" but that isn't accurate.
    A white hood is an outward show of open hatred.  A MAGA hat isn't that extreme.  It's more like the "new Confederate flag" because it's intent is generally to antagonize while leaving space to deny the obvious connection to shithead behaviour.
    I agree 100%. 
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  • rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    1 kid says something really stupid...all kids = monsters. Seems right. 
    Where do you get off on “all” kids? No, just those smug catholic kids from Kentucky. You know the ones, right? From Covington Catholic or prep or whatever school they’re from. You know, the ones in the video, on the news, the one who had a lawyer write his “innocence “ statement. The only one saying “all” is you. And as such, you’re dismissing their behavior, making excuses. Down playing. Mocking the kids who don’t do this shit. Typical.
    No. And you’ve read what I said. I’ve not excused the behavior of the people that have done stuff. 

    Ive watched hours of video and developed my opinion. I’m tired of overreacting online assholes. 
    But you compared 1 asshole who said something shitty Now “represents all kids,” when nobody but you said that?
    The tweet said “the Covington MONSTERS chanting...”

    it was 1 kid that needs some discipline/help/education/whatever. I was referring to the tweet. 1 person saying it led to MONSTERS (plural) “chanting”.

    so yeah, someone said it.
    Agreed.  Next thing you know that video will be all over social media and idiots will be yelling that the entire school was chanting it.  One kid does not represent the school.  Just like the teens and their maga hats don't represent what is going on in the US.    (great article right here:  https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/opinions/maga-video-and-our-reptile-brains-rushkoff/index.html)
    Can’t spell hatred without a red hat. MAGA hats certainly do represent what’s going on in the US right now. And if you wear one, you’re representing.
     
    I've mentioned before that I have a Make America RAGE Again hat and I won't wear it because I'm afraid some idiot won't read it and start a fight w me and then I'm going to jail.

    That's what our world has become...
    I’m not advocating violence against anyone that wears anything with any kind of political message. Freedom of speech but you also need to realize that certain “messages” will provoke a response. Funny, all the MAGA hat wearing folks would be outraged by a flag burning but then complain about being “threatened” “intimidated” or “ridiculed” for wearing a MAGA hat.
    People are certainly hypocritical. Especially, it seems, the overtly MAGA wearers.

    You know, I have a very negative reaction whenever I see someone wearing that stuff. Saw it at Cedar Point in line and was disgusted. Ended up talking to the guy a bit, since we were in line for a coaster for a while. No politics just talking about the park, coasters, etc. Was a nice talk. 

    I think my problem with it is why people wear that stuff. It’s very team oriented...like a taunt if you disagree. And I think it has certainly become different then just wearing other political garb.


    Yeah, it's definitely something that is done antagonistically most of the time.
    I've heard people say it's the "new white hood" but that isn't accurate.
    A white hood is an outward show of open hatred.  A MAGA hat isn't that extreme.  It's more like the "new Confederate flag" because it's intent is generally to antagonize while leaving space to deny the obvious connection to shithead behaviour.

    Agreed.

    It's very telling of the person wearing it. There's your Trump supporters that lurk in the dark- aware that expressing their loyalties is tantamount to telling everyone you are a full fledged asshole. Then there's the Trump supporter that flaunts their loyalties- so pleased with the direction their country is taking that they can't resist expressing their joy for such.
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    I love fake outrage, it's all the rage 
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    I love fake outrage, it's all the rage 
    It’s all the “intake.”

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
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    PJ_Soul said:
    I watched the WHOLE video - all 1 hour 46 minutes of it (the kids don't factor in for the first hour or more). There was no Jewish group there at all as far as I can tell. They were nut job racist Christians who think there are race wars in America's near future. They do keep calling themselves the "children of Israel", but they are praising Jesus.
    God bless you.

    What other nuggets did you uncover?
    Well, here is the blow by blow synopsis, lol.

    This crazy "Christian" loudmouth was with I think 4 other people, but he was the mouthpiece for this little ragtag gang of religious misfits, lol. The others mostly stayed quiet. He was just standing in the middle of the square shouting hateful religious and political nonsense to anyone who happened to be walking by or standing in the general vicinity. He was basically the political equivalent of one of those people dressed in rags on a street corner holding up a sign about how the world is ending and to repent, babbling about end of days. A few people tried to engage/debate him, but he was just spewing such hateful, vile garbage that very few had the patience to engage for any amount of time (he was sexist, homophobic, racist, you name it, and at the same time hating on Trump and the Catholic Church, and both major political parties and everyone who support either one - he literally hates EVERYONE, lol). He was particularly disgusting when this women tried to engage. He and his buddies was SO fucking sexist towards her. Meanwhile, this group of teenagers were slowly gathering way in the background. As that group grew, more of them seemed to start taking note of what this crackpot was yelling about, although they just seemed amused, like "look at the clown over there" kind of attitude, which seemed appropriate. 

    Eventually, when the crowd of teens got big enough, the loudmouth turned around and started yelling in their direction - he finally realized maybe he had an audience that wasn't going to walk away any time soon. He kind of started raving at them. Once the group of teens realized that THEY had an audience in this crazy ranting freak, THEY started acting up. At first they kind of took the ranting for what it was - stupid crap. They were kind of laughing it off, though they obviously didn't agree with this guy's racist or homophobic slurs and other insults. They were basically acting like normal people do when confronted by a raving lunatic on the street: not taking it seriously. However, things suddenly took a turn when, in an almost organic or telepathic kind of way, the entire group of teens turned into an aggressive mob. It was a strange transition. They went from normal people to aggressive fucking douchebags in a matter of seconds. Yes, it was indeed TOXIC MASCULINITY. They suddenly started this kind of chest thumping chant, which I guess they all got from cheering on their sports teams at school. Then some ridiculous kid broke from the crowd and started tearing all his clothes off as his classmates cheered and got really riled up. They continued to chant in this super off-putting aggressive way, some literally pounding their chests (the crazy man referenced cavemen, and that was a rather apt comment). This behaviour really gave the loudmouth some material to work with - his insults became somewhat more intense. The teens really opened themselves up to criticism when they started acting like that, but still, the crazy man was just spewing mostly manic garbage.

    So there is this big crowd of teens getting all aggressive and very loud and into the mob mentality, while this crazy man and his four friends just stood there, loudmouth continuing to yell bad things, such as how all of them were fixing to be school shooters because they are white and male and had on MAGA hats. The crowd started moving towards the few men, and it definitely started getting physically intimidating - it was probably 100 on 5 after all. At one point an adult who was with the kids tried to tell them to move back, but didn't try very hard at all to diffuse the mounting tension (I will say that the adults with these kids FAILED as chaperones in a BIG way). This is about when the man with the drum came along. He obviously spotted that this situation had suddenly escalated into a big aggressive mob moving towards 5 crazy men, so he stepped between the two parties playing his drum. I personally think his peaceful intentions were very clear. The teenaged mob then quickly and completely surrounded the drummer (seeming to forget about the crazy guy altogether), and they were hyped up, and started, from what I could tell, mocking the Native guy by gleefully chanting like Natives to the beat of the drum, and laughing and stuff. If I had been that guy with the drum, I definitely would have been worried. So this is when we come to the kid with the most smug mug on the face of the planet, lol. Just standing there grinning like that, in that scene, 100% YES that kid was being a little piece of arrogant shit in the face of this peacemaker. Absolutely. What I can't understand is WHY in the world the kids reacted to the drummer like that. I think they were all just swept up in a spontaneous and pointless display of aggression that, frankly, they mostly created themselves.
    I was going to dive into this but see no need to now.

    Thank you for the report.
    Ill have to watch again. Cause I didn’t get “angry mob” from it. Not that what some kids did was right, not excusing that. But I didn’t get any anger from most people other than the idiots that started the entire mess and were happy about it.
    I don't believe I ever said "angry mob". I'm pretty sure I don't say the word "angry" in that entire summary actually. Not sure where you got that quote from. FYI, "aggressive mob" and "angry mob" are two very different things.
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