I still don't understand why anyone is calling the photos an attack pon her by the republicans or conservatives. From what I could tell, The Guardian falsely accused TDC of posting the photos. I could find nothing to suggest they ever posted it, they just reported that FAKE photos had been posted online. And as I pointed out earlier, how is this any different that just about every female out there under 40? Its something that unfortunately happens, it doesn't represent one group or the other, its usually one creepy dude trying to make a few bucks. This has happened to many women, including Sarah Palin if I remember. But I don't remember anyone saying Sarah must be a strong leader and is just scary to the left as a result of it though.
I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though.
Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen.
What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes).
I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though.
Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen.
What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes).
Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP.
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I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though.
Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen.
What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes).
Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP.
I'm just sick of hearing about sexism from the left. Hillary used it as an excuse for her loss and she's completely wrong about that. Enough playing victim and blaming various "-isms" for everything. So someone called her a "little girl." Who cares? Who's offended by this? Is she? Doubt it. Because if she is, she's not cut out for American politics. And as for the GOP, they routinely dismiss woman? They routinely dismiss EVERYONE that isn't in line with their politics...as do the Democrats.
Paul Ryan was about her age when he was first elected. He was treated the same, right?
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I agree that "ism" card is played too often, that when a minority or woman is criticized it is because they are black or female. I don't remember anything about Paul Ryan when he started, that was 20 years ago and I was in high school. But I doubt he received nearly as much publicity as Alexandria, both positive or negative. Alexandria has put herself out there a lot in interviews and otherwise. I remember hearing so much about her before she even won. Many on the left and right were calling her the new generation of liberals, or the future of the left. I was hearing all this before the election even happen, and it just increased when she won. So yes, she's had more negative said about her than most, but also more positive. I doubt Paul Ryan would of had his own thread 20 years ago if this forum was around. She has a ton of supporters and puts herself out there a lot, and this comes with that territory. Was Paul Ryan even a household name 20 years ago?
I agree that the ism card is played too often, often a knee jerk to any criticism, but I think it applies in this situation.
And I disagree with the assertion that a male her age would have been called little boy. I could see Mitch McConnell calling someone "son", but I also think he'd say that to anyone south of the age of 65.
Lol at the idea of white men being sick of hearing about sexism
When it doesn't apply, why is that funny? And what does white have to do with sexism? You can honestly say the -ism card isn't overplayed? I'm not saying those things don't exist, but they are definitely overplayed.
And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him? If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.
And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him? If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.
There’s a whole bunch of extremely conservative white dudes in the house. They call themselves the freedom caucus. Now show me all the derogatory comments from the left regarding them. With links.
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There’s a whole bunch of extremely conservative white dudes in the house. They call themselves the freedom caucus. Now show me all the derogatory comments from the left regarding them. With links.
I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though.
Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen.
What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes).
Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP.
Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.
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And I doubt a new congressman would be called "little boy." But there would be equally derogorative terms (actually, far worse I imagine) used if anyone as far right as she is left joined. She has been farther left than many and most before her. Imagine if some 28 year old male was equally right, and openly campaigned heavily for outlawing abortions and so on. There wouldn't be name calling on him? If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.
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Care to explain? What did I say that was not true? She wasn't popular? She didn't campaign on farther left views? And what about what she did makes me white?
There’s a whole bunch of extremely conservative white dudes in the house. They call themselves the freedom caucus. Now show me all the derogatory comments from the left regarding them. With links.
False equivalency. Mike Pence is not in the house and the NYT opinion piece probably didn’t call him “little boy” or another derogatory term unless you consider being called out for your racist and homophobic beliefs derogatory.
Since when has a thread in a Pearl Jam forum been considered representative of the liberal media? Move the goal posts much?
I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though.
Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen.
What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes).
Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP.
Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.
Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?
I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though.
Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen.
What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes).
Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP.
Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.
Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?
No, if you're not talking about it at all you're indifferent. Someone denying it can't be indifferent.
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I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though.
Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen.
What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes).
Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP.
Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.
Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?
No, if you're not talking about it at all you're indifferent. Someone denying it can't be indifferent.
I just don't think this "They're scared of her because she's a strong woman!" rhetoric is accurate. I think it's what the Dems want to believe ("we've got them scared now!") because they're desperate to score some sort of coup over the GOP
I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though.
Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen.
What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes).
Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP.
Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.
Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?
No, if you're not talking about it at all you're indifferent. Someone denying it can't be indifferent.
I just don't think this "They're scared of her because she's a strong woman!" rhetoric is accurate. I think it's what the Dems want to believe ("we've got them scared now!") because they've been being out-politicked by the GOP over the past year or two.
They feel threatened by her for several reasons, so no, saying that they are threatened by her just because she's a strong woman, that's obviously not the case. They are threatened by the whole package. And I think that is what Dems believe. There is absolutely sexism being directed at her from the GOP though.
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I disagree. I know this has been a often-repeated talking point in this thread: that these old, white men are scared of a feisty, Latino woman but I don't think that's the case. I think she just fits the description of someone that the Republicans find to be an easy target. And no, it's not "strong, minority woman." It's "inexperienced millennial socialist." I actually think the Republicans likes that she's possibly the "future" of the Democratic Party. It's easier to go against her than it is to go against slick, career politicians like the Clintons or Obama.
I disagree that her gender has nothing to do with it. As evidence point #1, the repub that calls her "little girl". You know that there are many more examples.
I feel they'd call a male her age a "little boy" though.
Where’s your evidence for that? I don’t recall ever seeing it happen.
What evidence? I said "I feel" they'd call a male her age "little boy" if they're calling a woman her age "little girl." What I'm suggesting here is that the Republicans hatred for her isn't about her sex. She's a new democrat on the scene and thus, needs to be destroyed (in the GOP's eyes).
Yes, I know you said you “feel” that, but based on what? There just isn’t a lot of eveidence that young men are routinely dismissed in the way that young women are, particularly by the GOP.
Absolutely they aren't, and it always shocks me when anyone pretends that sexism isn't happening within the GOP, or in politics in general. Gimme a fucking break. It OBVIOUSLY is, consistently. Anyone who tries to say it's not is either in total denial, or a sexist themselves.
Or indifferent. Can we be indifferent? Or are our only choices "in total denial" and "sexist ourselves"?
No, if you're not talking about it at all you're indifferent. Someone denying it can't be indifferent.
I just don't think this "They're scared of her because she's a strong woman!" rhetoric is accurate. I think it's what the Dems want to believe ("we've got them scared now!") because they're desperate to score some sort of coup over the GOP
You can always play the sexism card and the race card until the day you die because there is always going to be someone either doing it or someone who makes comparisons to it.
There’s a whole bunch of extremely conservative white dudes in the house. They call themselves the freedom caucus. Now show me all the derogatory comments from the left regarding them. With links.
You missed one of my points. Alexandria puts herself out there a lot. She's done a lot of interviews and is in the public eye more than most who just took office. Actually, I can't name a single other person outside of my state who took office. She's gotten a lot of good publicity. Anyone who does that will also receive bad publicity. I'm sure there's a lot of things said about the freedom caucus, but no not as much. but that wasn't my point. They don;t put themselves out there, they aren't on 60 minutes, they aren't in the public as much as she has. I do think sexism exists in government, I would imagine it is probably a lot harder for a woman to get started than a man. I never said otherwise. What I did say is I don't think the comments we see towards Alexandria right now are mostly sexist based. Anyone in the spotlight that much will have negative things said about them. You couldn't be critical of Obama without being called racist. You couldn't dislike Hilary without being called sexist. When the fake nudes surfaced that was said to be an attack by the republicans, when nearly every famous woman under 40 has that. I just think political views play a bigger role than those things. Its not always racism and sexism. She is outspoken and has extreme views. That attracts a lot of attention.
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And as I pointed out earlier, how is this any different that just about every female out there under 40? Its something that unfortunately happens, it doesn't represent one group or the other, its usually one creepy dude trying to make a few bucks. This has happened to many women, including Sarah Palin if I remember. But I don't remember anyone saying Sarah must be a strong leader and is just scary to the left as a result of it though.
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I don't remember anything about Paul Ryan when he started, that was 20 years ago and I was in high school. But I doubt he received nearly as much publicity as Alexandria, both positive or negative.
Alexandria has put herself out there a lot in interviews and otherwise. I remember hearing so much about her before she even won. Many on the left and right were calling her the new generation of liberals, or the future of the left. I was hearing all this before the election even happen, and it just increased when she won. So yes, she's had more negative said about her than most, but also more positive. I doubt Paul Ryan would of had his own thread 20 years ago if this forum was around. She has a ton of supporters and puts herself out there a lot, and this comes with that territory. Was Paul Ryan even a household name 20 years ago?
And I disagree with the assertion that a male her age would have been called little boy. I could see Mitch McConnell calling someone "son", but I also think he'd say that to anyone south of the age of 65.
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You can honestly say the -ism card isn't overplayed? I'm not saying those things don't exist, but they are definitely overplayed.
If she was just a middle of the road democrat there wouldn't be this thread.
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Since when has a thread in a Pearl Jam forum been considered representative of the liberal media? Move the goal posts much?
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I'm sure there's a lot of things said about the freedom caucus, but no not as much. but that wasn't my point. They don;t put themselves out there, they aren't on 60 minutes, they aren't in the public as much as she has.
I do think sexism exists in government, I would imagine it is probably a lot harder for a woman to get started than a man. I never said otherwise.
What I did say is I don't think the comments we see towards Alexandria right now are mostly sexist based. Anyone in the spotlight that much will have negative things said about them. You couldn't be critical of Obama without being called racist. You couldn't dislike Hilary without being called sexist. When the fake nudes surfaced that was said to be an attack by the republicans, when nearly every famous woman under 40 has that. I just think political views play a bigger role than those things. Its not always racism and sexism. She is outspoken and has extreme views. That attracts a lot of attention.