Vegan diets increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries?

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited December 2018
    brianlux said:
    I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

    Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

    And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

    Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

    I say, be open, don't judge.
    I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,958
    Most veg has large amounts of vit C . 
    I eat every food type. I think I could eat less meat as I do love veg.  I do need to eat fruit as I don't often fancy it.


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

    Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

    And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

    Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

    I say, be open, don't judge.
    I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  
    I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

    My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

    Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

    And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

    Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

    I say, be open, don't judge.
    I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  
    I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

    My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.
    Gotcha, I naturally lean towards a sociological viewpoint (it is actually what I have my degree in). 
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Paging the ghost of Anthony Bourdain
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    That article was probably paid for by the meat lobby...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Grow your own if you can!  
    “Even when fresh produce is consumed, there appears to be fewer micronutrients available than was once the case.”
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

    Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

    And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

    Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

    I say, be open, don't judge.
    I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  
    I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

    My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.
    Gotcha, I naturally lean towards a sociological viewpoint (it is actually what I have my degree in). 
    The first time I went off to college I initially majored in Sociology.  After the first semester I changed my major to Liberal Studies (go figure) with a minor in Indulging in 1960's American Hedonism.  I mean, why not?  It was San Francisco, late 60's/ early 70's, right?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

    Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

    And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

    Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

    I say, be open, don't judge.
    I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  
    I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

    My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.
    Gotcha, I naturally lean towards a sociological viewpoint (it is actually what I have my degree in). 
    The first time I went off to college I initially majored in Sociology.  After the first semester I changed my major to Liberal Studies (go figure) with a minor in Indulging in 1960's American Hedonism.  I mean, why not?  It was San Francisco, late 60's/ early 70's, right?
    I’m guessing that was a pretty flooded field of study in the 60s and 70s :)
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

    Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

    And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

    Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

    I say, be open, don't judge.
    I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  
    I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

    My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.
    Gotcha, I naturally lean towards a sociological viewpoint (it is actually what I have my degree in). 
    The first time I went off to college I initially majored in Sociology.  After the first semester I changed my major to Liberal Studies (go figure) with a minor in Indulging in 1960's American Hedonism.  I mean, why not?  It was San Francisco, late 60's/ early 70's, right?
    I’m guessing that was a pretty flooded field of study in the 60s and 70s :)
    You might say it was an unofficial "requirement", lol!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited December 2018
    Ok, I was an asshole and I apologize for calling vegans idiots.
    I do think it's extreme and there aren't any arguments for it that hold up very well, but there are plenty of fine vegan people.

    It's a pet peeve of mine because my sense of self is rooted in trying to rationally apply my mind toward being as natural a person as I can, and there's nothing natural about refusing all animal food sources.  Even true herbivores make no such effort.
    Like PJPOWER, I live my life much, much more connected to the world that sustains us than most.  I do this by living in a wild space, growing/harvesting as much of my food as possible, and working to limit my use of energy and technology.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    rgambs said:
    Ok, I was an asshole and I apologize for calling vegans idiots.
    I do think it's extreme and there aren't any arguments for it that hold up very well, but there are plenty of fine vegan people.

    It's a pet peeve of mine because my sense of self is rooted in trying to rationally apply my mind toward being as natural a person as I can, and there's nothing natural about refusing all animal food sources.  Even true herbivores make no such effort.
    Like PJPOWER, I live my life much, much more connected to the world that sustains us than most.  I do this by living in a wild space, growing/harvesting as much of my food as possible, and working to limit my use of energy and technology.

    :lol:


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited December 2018
    In dedication to this thread i will be enjoying a steak for dinner  :)
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    I know people think vegans are annoying and in your face with their lifestyle over yours, but it is a big time perception of what seat you sit in.  I don't tell anybody I am at all.

    It is astounding what dicks people are when they find out I am.  
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,783
    Aren’t all of the boys in the band vegans ? They seem very fit I know they all probably have chefs that prepare their meals which is a big plus , heck if I had my own chef at home I could see myself a vegan , between me & my wife we cook as much vegetarian as possible and now my daughter has been cooking too ..
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Smellyman said:
    I know people think vegans are annoying and in your face with their lifestyle over yours, but it is a big time perception of what seat you sit in.  I don't tell anybody I am at all.

    It is astounding what dicks people are when they find out I am.  
    That sucks! 

    Why the hell should anyone care?  Just makes no sense to me.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    In the mid to late 80's I was recovering from having Epstein-Barr virus.  I was in bad shape.  While visiting a friend and his mother in Colorado one summer, the friends mom put me on a vegan raw food and juicing diet for the 10 days or so I was there.  When I went home, I stayed on that diet for 3 months- 100% raw food vegan.  At the end of that three months, I felt better and looked a 100 times better than I had a mere three months earlier.  Every now and then I go back on the diet for a short time to rejuvenate. 

    I'm mostly vegetarian now and the carnivore portion of my diet is eggs, goat cheese and a little poultry now and then.  For milk, I use almond milk.  I don't mean to brag, but honestly, I think I'm healthier than most people my age despite having to deal with the life-long effects of chronic fatigue due to having had Epstein-Barr. Again, not bragging, just a fact,  I have had numerous people tell me I look a lot younger than 67.  Sure, some of it is genes, but a lot of it is life style and diet. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    my2hands said:
    In dedication to this thread i will be enjoying a steak for dinner  :)
    I eat vegans....cattle that is, ha
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    In the mid to late 80's I was recovering from having Epstein-Barr virus.  I was in bad shape.  While visiting a friend and his mother in Colorado one summer, the friends mom put me on a vegan raw food and juicing diet for the 10 days or so I was there.  When I went home, I stayed on that diet for 3 months- 100% raw food vegan.  At the end of that three months, I felt better and looked a 100 times better than I had a mere three months earlier.  Every now and then I go back on the diet for a short time to rejuvenate. 

    I'm mostly vegetarian now and the carnivore portion of my diet is eggs, goat cheese and a little poultry now and then.  For milk, I use almond milk.  I don't mean to brag, but honestly, I think I'm healthier than most people my age despite having to deal with the life-long effects of chronic fatigue due to having had Epstein-Barr. Again, not bragging, just a fact,  I have had numerous people tell me I look a lot younger than 67.  Sure, some of it is genes, but a lot of it is life style and diet. 
    I mean this, good for you.  I am glad it works for you.  I do not eat a ton of meat...$$$$ too expensive.  However, I did myself a roast on sale for my Christmas meal.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited December 2018
    rgambs said:
    Ok, I was an asshole and I apologize for calling vegans idiots.
    I do think it's extreme and there aren't any arguments for it that hold up very well, but there are plenty of fine vegan people.

    It's a pet peeve of mine because my sense of self is rooted in trying to rationally apply my mind toward being as natural a person as I can, and there's nothing natural about refusing all animal food sources.  Even true herbivores make no such effort.
    Like PJPOWER, I live my life much, much more connected to the world that sustains us than most.  I do this by living in a wild space, growing/harvesting as much of my food as possible, and working to limit my use of energy and technology.

    I respect that.  I would say that I know where “most” of the food (beef and veggies) I consume comes from, start to finish.  We spend a lot of time sealing veggies in the summer and often have some leftover the next year that gets composted and used again.  Beef comes from my family’s ranch.  I actually enjoy growing what I eat and consider it one of my favorite hobbies, so there is that “mental health” benefit too :)

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