Vegan diets increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries?

PJPOWER

brianlux said:

I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

I say, be open, don't judge.

I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  

lastexitlondon

Most veg has large amounts of vit C . 
I eat every food type. I think I could eat less meat as I do love veg.  I do need to eat fruit as I don't often fancy it.

brianlux

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

I say, be open, don't judge.

I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  

I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.

PJPOWER

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

I say, be open, don't judge.

I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  

I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.

Gotcha, I naturally lean towards a sociological viewpoint (it is actually what I have my degree in). 

my2hands

Paging the ghost of Anthony Bourdain

Meltdown99

That article was probably paid for by the meat lobby...

PJPOWER

Grow your own if you can!  
“Even when fresh produce is consumed, there appears to be fewer micronutrients available than was once the case.”

brianlux

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

I say, be open, don't judge.

I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  

I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.

Gotcha, I naturally lean towards a sociological viewpoint (it is actually what I have my degree in). 

The first time I went off to college I initially majored in Sociology.  After the first semester I changed my major to Liberal Studies (go figure) with a minor in Indulging in 1960's American Hedonism.  I mean, why not?  It was San Francisco, late 60's/ early 70's, right?

PJPOWER

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

I say, be open, don't judge.

I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  

I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.

Gotcha, I naturally lean towards a sociological viewpoint (it is actually what I have my degree in). 

The first time I went off to college I initially majored in Sociology.  After the first semester I changed my major to Liberal Studies (go figure) with a minor in Indulging in 1960's American Hedonism.  I mean, why not?  It was San Francisco, late 60's/ early 70's, right?

I’m guessing that was a pretty flooded field of study in the 60s and 70s

brianlux

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

I say, be open, don't judge.

I don’t think anyone has been judging on individual levels or categorizing anyone, but obviously (as concluded by this research), there are some major caveats to a large number of people practicing veganism.  People (on the whole) need better nutrition education regarding human biology and what our bodies require to remain healthy.  Most meat eaters I know still eat fruits and vegetables as well (someone above mentioned vitamin c deficiency, which I get plenty of in the fruits I snack on between steaks, lol).  Balance is the key, I would be unhealthy as hell if ribeyes were all I ever ate, lol.  Again, not judging, just discussing the sociological impact of mass veganism; “increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries”.  

I didn't see you as being judgmental, PJP, I just meant that in general I've heard a number of people talk shit about vegans.

My own feeling is that the more vegans, vegetarians or people who are mostly vegetarian (which is how I would describe myself), the better-- especially in a world with 7.7 billion people on it.  For me its more about having a biocentric viewpoint than it is about a sociological/ anthropocentric viewpoint.

Gotcha, I naturally lean towards a sociological viewpoint (it is actually what I have my degree in). 

The first time I went off to college I initially majored in Sociology.  After the first semester I changed my major to Liberal Studies (go figure) with a minor in Indulging in 1960's American Hedonism.  I mean, why not?  It was San Francisco, late 60's/ early 70's, right?

I’m guessing that was a pretty flooded field of study in the 60s and 70s

You might say it was an unofficial "requirement", lol!

rgambs

Ok, I was an asshole and I apologize for calling vegans idiots.
I do think it's extreme and there aren't any arguments for it that hold up very well, but there are plenty of fine vegan people.

It's a pet peeve of mine because my sense of self is rooted in trying to rationally apply my mind toward being as natural a person as I can, and there's nothing natural about refusing all animal food sources.  Even true herbivores make no such effort.
Like PJPOWER, I live my life much, much more connected to the world that sustains us than most.  I do this by living in a wild space, growing/harvesting as much of my food as possible, and working to limit my use of energy and technology.

brianlux

rgambs said:

Ok, I was an asshole and I apologize for calling vegans idiots.
I do think it's extreme and there aren't any arguments for it that hold up very well, but there are plenty of fine vegan people.

It's a pet peeve of mine because my sense of self is rooted in trying to rationally apply my mind toward being as natural a person as I can, and there's nothing natural about refusing all animal food sources.  Even true herbivores make no such effort.
Like PJPOWER, I live my life much, much more connected to the world that sustains us than most.  I do this by living in a wild space, growing/harvesting as much of my food as possible, and working to limit my use of energy and technology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sulJSKwla6U

my2hands

In dedication to this thread i will be enjoying a steak for dinner 

Smellyman

I know people think vegans are annoying and in your face with their lifestyle over yours, but it is a big time perception of what seat you sit in.  I don't tell anybody I am at all.

It is astounding what dicks people are when they find out I am.  

josevolution

Aren’t all of the boys in the band vegans ? They seem very fit I know they all probably have chefs that prepare their meals which is a big plus , heck if I had my own chef at home I could see myself a vegan , between me & my wife we cook as much vegetarian as possible and now my daughter has been cooking too ..

brianlux

Smellyman said:

I know people think vegans are annoying and in your face with their lifestyle over yours, but it is a big time perception of what seat you sit in.  I don't tell anybody I am at all.

It is astounding what dicks people are when they find out I am.  

That sucks! 

Why the hell should anyone care?  Just makes no sense to me.

brianlux

In the mid to late 80's I was recovering from having Epstein-Barr virus.  I was in bad shape.  While visiting a friend and his mother in Colorado one summer, the friends mom put me on a vegan raw food and juicing diet for the 10 days or so I was there.  When I went home, I stayed on that diet for 3 months- 100% raw food vegan.  At the end of that three months, I felt better and looked a 100 times better than I had a mere three months earlier.  Every now and then I go back on the diet for a short time to rejuvenate. 

I'm mostly vegetarian now and the carnivore portion of my diet is eggs, goat cheese and a little poultry now and then.  For milk, I use almond milk.  I don't mean to brag, but honestly, I think I'm healthier than most people my age despite having to deal with the life-long effects of chronic fatigue due to having had Epstein-Barr. Again, not bragging, just a fact,  I have had numerous people tell me I look a lot younger than 67.  Sure, some of it is genes, but a lot of it is life style and diet. 

PJPOWER

my2hands said:

In dedication to this thread i will be enjoying a steak for dinner 

I eat vegans....cattle that is, ha

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

In the mid to late 80's I was recovering from having Epstein-Barr virus.  I was in bad shape.  While visiting a friend and his mother in Colorado one summer, the friends mom put me on a vegan raw food and juicing diet for the 10 days or so I was there.  When I went home, I stayed on that diet for 3 months- 100% raw food vegan.  At the end of that three months, I felt better and looked a 100 times better than I had a mere three months earlier.  Every now and then I go back on the diet for a short time to rejuvenate. 

I'm mostly vegetarian now and the carnivore portion of my diet is eggs, goat cheese and a little poultry now and then.  For milk, I use almond milk.  I don't mean to brag, but honestly, I think I'm healthier than most people my age despite having to deal with the life-long effects of chronic fatigue due to having had Epstein-Barr. Again, not bragging, just a fact,  I have had numerous people tell me I look a lot younger than 67.  Sure, some of it is genes, but a lot of it is life style and diet. 

I mean this, good for you.  I am glad it works for you.  I do not eat a ton of meat...$$$$ too expensive.  However, I did myself a roast on sale for my Christmas meal.

PJPOWER

rgambs said:

Ok, I was an asshole and I apologize for calling vegans idiots.
I do think it's extreme and there aren't any arguments for it that hold up very well, but there are plenty of fine vegan people.

It's a pet peeve of mine because my sense of self is rooted in trying to rationally apply my mind toward being as natural a person as I can, and there's nothing natural about refusing all animal food sources.  Even true herbivores make no such effort.
Like PJPOWER, I live my life much, much more connected to the world that sustains us than most.  I do this by living in a wild space, growing/harvesting as much of my food as possible, and working to limit my use of energy and technology.

I respect that.  I would say that I know where “most” of the food (beef and veggies) I consume comes from, start to finish.  We spend a lot of time sealing veggies in the summer and often have some leftover the next year that gets composted and used again.  Beef comes from my family’s ranch.  I actually enjoy growing what I eat and consider it one of my favorite hobbies, so there is that “mental health” benefit too