Obamacare ACA (Affordable Care Act)

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

I just wish in Canada they would add pharma care and dental.  Many people, including seniors, struggle to afford these service.  However, seniors do get pharma covered.

Yeah, pharmacare is a thing in BC. Not in Ontario?? But yes, dental is a terrible problem for seniors. Most adults have at least some dental coverage through work (mine is 80% basic and 50% ortho and major), but it's a TERRIBLE burden for seniors. The cost of dental insurance for seniors is too high for most to pay, and obviously just paying for dental out of pocket is impossible for many seniors too... So many of them just have to sit there and deal with their teeth rotting out of their heads. It's terrible. I think dental should be at least partially covered under the MSP.

and dental care can prevent other health problems....

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

I just wish in Canada they would add pharma care and dental.  Many people, including seniors, struggle to afford these service.  However, seniors do get pharma covered.

Yeah, pharmacare is a thing in BC. Not in Ontario?? But yes, dental is a terrible problem for seniors. Most adults have at least some dental coverage through work (mine is 80% basic and 50% ortho and major), but it's a TERRIBLE burden for seniors. The cost of dental insurance for seniors is too high for most to pay, and obviously just paying for dental out of pocket is impossible for many seniors too... So many of them just have to sit there and deal with their teeth rotting out of their heads. It's terrible. I think dental should be at least partially covered under the MSP.

and dental care can prevent other health problems....

Yes, which is why I don't understand how they are getting away with separating it with basic healthcare coverage completely.

In Ontario, if you do not have private insurance you are on your own as far as pharma, dental, chiropractor, physiotherapy, podiatrist and I'm sure I am leaving some services out...In all my years in Ontario, they delist services covered, but never add.  It's not like this province can't afford it, we just need to prioritize it.  Private Insurance for our healthcare needs is wrong.  When I had private insurance, I have even had prescriptions denied because the pharmacy did not go with a cheaper generic brand, went to complain at the pharmacy, was told that their system said my insurance would cover it...but they didn't.  I could never imagine dealing with an insurance company over a DR. visit or routine test.  Jeesh.  What the hell is the matter with Americans?  Maybe you need to take to the streets like in Paris instead of posting idiotic comments on facebook.

Today you can still sign up for ACÁ 

Gern Blansten said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

I just wish in Canada they would add pharma care and dental.  Many people, including seniors, struggle to afford these service.  However, seniors do get pharma covered.

Yeah, pharmacare is a thing in BC. Not in Ontario?? But yes, dental is a terrible problem for seniors. Most adults have at least some dental coverage through work (mine is 80% basic and 50% ortho and major), but it's a TERRIBLE burden for seniors. The cost of dental insurance for seniors is too high for most to pay, and obviously just paying for dental out of pocket is impossible for many seniors too... So many of them just have to sit there and deal with their teeth rotting out of their heads. It's terrible. I think dental should be at least partially covered under the MSP.

and dental care can prevent other health problems....

Yes, which is why I don't understand how they are getting away with separating it with basic healthcare coverage completely.

In Ontario, if you do not have private insurance you are on your own as far as pharma, dental, chiropractor, physiotherapy, podiatrist and I'm sure I am leaving some services out...In all my years in Ontario, they delist services covered, but never add.  It's not like this province can't afford it, we just need to prioritize it.  Private Insurance for our healthcare needs is wrong.  When I had private insurance, I have even had prescriptions denied because the pharmacy did not go with a cheaper generic brand, went to complain at the pharmacy, was told that their system said my insurance would cover it...but they didn't.  I could never imagine dealing with an insurance company over a DR. visit or routine test.  Jeesh.  What the hell is the matter with Americans?  Maybe you need to take to the streets like in Paris instead of posting idiotic comments on facebook.

We have a real problem with not being able to understand a problem until it happens to us directly.

If we don't have a pre-existing condition we tend to not give a shit about people that do.  We don't think it is fair to have to pay higher insurance premiums to help cover them since we are more healthy. 

I have an FB "friend" that was a pretty rabid republican 10 years or so ago.  She developed bone cancer about 6 years ago...luckily she seems to be doing ok but she is now a proud advocate of the ACA.  She knows that she would have been kicked to the curb by whatever coverage she had prior to being diagnosed.

Bone cancer is awful, that is good that your friend is doing well.  I think the ACA is a joke because the insurance companies art still involved.
 
You have to get health coverage removed from the insurance industry.  Insurance companies and people who work in the insurance industry have no souls...

You saw in Paris what happens when people take to the streets, change can happen.  Peaceful protest DO NOT work.  

Here is how it works where I live, Dr., Hospital, a test I just show my health card and am never bothered with a bill...that allows sick people to get better without fighting the loser insurance industry.  And I do not care if someone on these boards works in the insurance industry and is offended.  They can get a job that doesn't constantly fuck people...

tbergs said:

This is an unfortunate turn of events.

Federal judge in Texas strikes down Affordable Care Act

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/politics/texas-aca-lawsuit/index.html

seems a touch contrary to the scotus ruling.......

Meltdown99 said:

This is a fucking protest, not those fake protest that Americans love.  Seriously you Americans need to get off your ass to get real health care.  Is health care not worth a few days or weeks away from work?

I think the problem is more to do with what mrussel mentioned above. There's an alarming tendency to think "it could never happen to me, so why should I care?" and obviously, that's false - but there's plenty of data available to disprove the notion for anyone with the capacity for critical thought.

I feel there are a few situations and reasons for the lack of change or concern:

1) They've heard the arguments and don't understand them (lack of critical thought abilities/intelligence)
2) They've been convinced by an entity that an alternative speaker's opinion is destructive or wrong, and value that entity too much to consider otherwise (blind faith to undue thought controllers)
3) They don't want to be exposed to logic, knowing they are illogical and don't want to re-evaluate their allegiances (ego)
4) They don't believe there could be something better (apathy)
5) They've heard the arguments and don't understand them (poorly communicated facts)

I also feel that most of these stem from point 1, or at least would be greatly curbed by focusing on point 1. We have less blind faith if we think critically. We have less resistance to having perspectives changed when we think critically. No comment on critical thinking and the belief in improvement, and point 5 would be curbed because it wouldn't be ignored facts, it would be a discussion leading to improvement. 

Meltdown99 said:

U.S. Senator Rand Paul to travel to Canada for hernia surgery after neighbour's attack

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/sen-rand-paul-scheduled-to-have-hernia-surgery-in-canada?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2dpzFFh720fGNcvpjO7hwzoUqIyt0edzsc5Qo3yLSv8pWJHDzxlTZ0mZU#Echobox=1547490860

Interesting.  Just a guess here, but there is a private hernia clinic near Toronto that sees US patients.  I know this because a Teacher I worked with had his hernia surgery there and is suppose to be top notch in repairing a hernia and he was surprised that so many Americans were there.  Still interesting.

A Paul spokeswoman didn’t immediately explain why Paul is having the surgery in Canada, where medical care is publicly funded and universally provided. Paul touts private-market approaches for U.S. health care problems.

Interesting! I'll be curious if he gives a reason. He can certainly get hernia surgery at any hospital in the US, so there has to be a reason why he picked a Canadian hospital and Canadian doctor to perform the surgery. And I'm guessing he'll have to pay for it out of pocket. Doesn't make a lot of sense on the surface. 

jeffbr said:

Meltdown99 said:

U.S. Senator Rand Paul to travel to Canada for hernia surgery after neighbour's attack

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/sen-rand-paul-scheduled-to-have-hernia-surgery-in-canada?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2dpzFFh720fGNcvpjO7hwzoUqIyt0edzsc5Qo3yLSv8pWJHDzxlTZ0mZU#Echobox=1547490860

Interesting.  Just a guess here, but there is a private hernia clinic near Toronto that sees US patients.  I know this because a Teacher I worked with had his hernia surgery there and is suppose to be top notch in repairing a hernia and he was surprised that so many Americans were there.  Still interesting.

A Paul spokeswoman didn’t immediately explain why Paul is having the surgery in Canada, where medical care is publicly funded and universally provided. Paul touts private-market approaches for U.S. health care problems.

Interesting! I'll be curious if he gives a reason. He can certainly get hernia surgery at any hospital in the US, so there has to be a reason why he picked a Canadian hospital and Canadian doctor to perform the surgery. And I'm guessing he'll have to pay for it out of pocket. Doesn't make a lot of sense on the surface. 

It's been confirmed that it is a private clinic.  The clinic is one of the very best at repairing a hernia.  The teacher I know that had it done at a private clinic told me the Americans get it done here because the cost is far less.  I am assuming Rand Paul has no insurance?  Or is he still an employed politician.

Meltdown99 said:

U.S. Senator Rand Paul to travel to Canada for hernia surgery after neighbour's attack

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/sen-rand-paul-scheduled-to-have-hernia-surgery-in-canada?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2dpzFFh720fGNcvpjO7hwzoUqIyt0edzsc5Qo3yLSv8pWJHDzxlTZ0mZU#Echobox=1547490860

Interesting.  Just a guess here, but there is a private hernia clinic near Toronto that sees US patients.  I know this because a Teacher I worked with had his hernia surgery there and is suppose to be top notch in repairing a hernia and he was surprised that so many Americans were there.  Still interesting.

A Paul spokeswoman didn’t immediately explain why Paul is having the surgery in Canada, where medical care is publicly funded and universally provided. Paul touts private-market approaches for U.S. health care problems.

This is a really odd and inexplicable move, there's no reason this makes any sense for him lol 
I would say that his constituents will be displeased, but the mental gymnastic capabilities of libertarians are unmatched.