Vegan diets increasing malnutrition in wealthy countries?

PJPOWER
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Interesting read.  If you are a vegan, be sure you are going above and beyond to get your needed nutrients...:
https://www.sciencealert.com/veganism-is-increasing-malnutrition-in-wealthy-countries

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    I wonder how much of this type of malnutrition is caused not by the type of food vegans eat but because they are eating produce bought in grocery stores and not home grown.  Much of the produce from stores loses nutrition from either from irradiation of produce or too much time between picking and eating.  That's one of the reasons I'm big on supplements.  I take vitamin C, B-50, zinc orotate, D-3, calcium citrate with magnesium and glucosamine sulfate every day as supplements.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited December 2018
    Possibly, the article also goes into detail about counteractions between certain supplements being taken, and how they effect the absorption of each other as well as the sources of those vitamins being an issue.  Home grown is always better, though!
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,026
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,026
    B12 is one of  the most common deficiencies . And causes permanent  nerve damage and brain function problems. Peripheral neuropathy.  It's irreversible .


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    I'm not a vegan. 

    Someday I might be one though.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    lastexitlondon said:
    B12 is one of  the most common deficiencies . And causes permanent  nerve damage and brain function problems. Peripheral neuropathy.  It's irreversible .

    Lots of people have B12 deficiencies.  I got neuropathy in my feet.  No cure.  It sucks.  No cause either.  We will never know.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    PJPOWER said:
    Interesting read.  If you are a vegan, be sure you are going above and beyond to get your needed nutrients...:
    https://www.sciencealert.com/veganism-is-increasing-malnutrition-in-wealthy-countries

    Thanks for posting , my 21 yr old daughter is trying to be vegan for the most part is so I’ll talk to her about this article ..
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Interesting read.  If you are a vegan, be sure you are going above and beyond to get your needed nutrients...:
    https://www.sciencealert.com/veganism-is-increasing-malnutrition-in-wealthy-countries

    Thanks for posting , my 21 yr old daughter is trying to be vegan for the most part is so I’ll talk to her about this article ..
    Sure thing!  I think a lot of people think that switching to a vegan diet will automatically make them healthier, but they need to be sure they are getting their appropriate nutrients or they could end up with serious health issues.  
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Interesting read.  If you are a vegan, be sure you are going above and beyond to get your needed nutrients...:
    https://www.sciencealert.com/veganism-is-increasing-malnutrition-in-wealthy-countries

    Thanks for posting , my 21 yr old daughter is trying to be vegan for the most part is so I’ll talk to her about this article ..
    Sure thing!  I think a lot of people think that switching to a vegan diet will automatically make them healthier, but they need to be sure they are getting their appropriate nutrients or they could end up with serious health issues.  
    Which is just about the most moronic thing ever lol
    Dumber than Trump!

    "I'm going to switch to made up diet that the human body has never ever subsisted on in it's 2 million year history, and I expect to get healthier." 

    You can't make this shit up lol
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited December 2018
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Interesting read.  If you are a vegan, be sure you are going above and beyond to get your needed nutrients...:
    https://www.sciencealert.com/veganism-is-increasing-malnutrition-in-wealthy-countries

    Thanks for posting , my 21 yr old daughter is trying to be vegan for the most part is so I’ll talk to her about this article ..
    Sure thing!  I think a lot of people think that switching to a vegan diet will automatically make them healthier, but they need to be sure they are getting their appropriate nutrients or they could end up with serious health issues.  
    Which is just about the most moronic thing ever lol
    Dumber than Trump!

    "I'm going to switch to made up diet that the human body has never ever subsisted on in it's 2 million year history, and I expect to get healthier." 

    You can't make this shit up lol
    Can you make this up(?) --> All the extremely fat people walking around or rolling around on those scooters. Whatever diet you choose -- some people don't seem to take the time to think about what they eat. 

    And, we didn't hog down meat like we do today for these 2 million years you are talking about. We have no problems eating entirely plantbased. We are not created by some devine god to eat other animals. 

    So I think fat chicken-bucket-eaters are more "the most moronic thing ever lol" than people choosing to eat plantbased and missing to check on getting all nutrients.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited December 2018
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Interesting read.  If you are a vegan, be sure you are going above and beyond to get your needed nutrients...:
    https://www.sciencealert.com/veganism-is-increasing-malnutrition-in-wealthy-countries

    Thanks for posting , my 21 yr old daughter is trying to be vegan for the most part is so I’ll talk to her about this article ..
    Sure thing!  I think a lot of people think that switching to a vegan diet will automatically make them healthier, but they need to be sure they are getting their appropriate nutrients or they could end up with serious health issues.  
    Which is just about the most moronic thing ever lol
    Dumber than Trump!

    "I'm going to switch to made up diet that the human body has never ever subsisted on in it's 2 million year history, and I expect to get healthier." 

    You can't make this shit up lol
    Can you make this up(?) --> All the extremely fat people walking around or rolling around on those scooters. Whatever diet you choose -- some people don't seem to take the time to think about what they eat. 

    And, we didn't hog down meat like we do today for these 2 million years you are talking about. We have no problems eating entirely plantbased. We are not created by some devine god to eat other animals. 

    So I think fat chicken-bucket-eaters are more "the most moronic thing ever lol" than people choosing to eat plantbased and missing to check on getting all nutrients.
    The obesity you speak of is the result of sugar, not meat. 
    "We have no problems eating entirely plantbased."
    Uh, yeah, we do.  The article that you probably didn't read because it would conflict with your preconceived notions summarises those problems pretty well.

    You need to get right with science, bro.
    Do we eat too much meat?  Absolutely, and unequivocally, yes we do.
    Are we still capable of being healthy if we don't consume animal flesh?  Yes, we are.
    Is going vegan an entirely idiotic and extreme course of action?  Yes, it is.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    You know who doesn't have to take supplements to have a healthy body?
    People who eat eggs.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    rgambs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    josevolution said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Interesting read.  If you are a vegan, be sure you are going above and beyond to get your needed nutrients...:
    https://www.sciencealert.com/veganism-is-increasing-malnutrition-in-wealthy-countries

    Thanks for posting , my 21 yr old daughter is trying to be vegan for the most part is so I’ll talk to her about this article ..
    Sure thing!  I think a lot of people think that switching to a vegan diet will automatically make them healthier, but they need to be sure they are getting their appropriate nutrients or they could end up with serious health issues.  
    Which is just about the most moronic thing ever lol
    Dumber than Trump!

    "I'm going to switch to made up diet that the human body has never ever subsisted on in it's 2 million year history, and I expect to get healthier." 

    You can't make this shit up lol
    Can you make this up(?) --> All the extremely fat people walking around or rolling around on those scooters. Whatever diet you choose -- some people don't seem to take the time to think about what they eat. 

    And, we didn't hog down meat like we do today for these 2 million years you are talking about. We have no problems eating entirely plantbased. We are not created by some devine god to eat other animals. 

    So I think fat chicken-bucket-eaters are more "the most moronic thing ever lol" than people choosing to eat plantbased and missing to check on getting all nutrients.
    The obesity you speak of is the result of sugar, not meat. 
    "We have no problems eating entirely plantbased."
    Uh, yeah, we do.  The article that you probably didn't read because it would conflict with your preconceived notions summarises those problems pretty well.

    You need to get right with science, bro.
    Do we eat too much meat?  Absolutely, and unequivocally, yes we do.
    Are we still capable of being healthy if we don't consume animal flesh?  Yes, we are.
    Is going vegan an entirely idiotic and extreme course of action?  Yes, it is.
    Hi, I'm an idiot and have been for 7 years. I'm maybe sick once a year and take no medications. Must all be dumb luck.

    I understand certain ways of eating are not for everyone, but I wouldn't summarize Vegan as being an idiot. We can only generalize Trump supporters around here. You know that. ;)

    Anyway, I also don't eat Vegan as a diet. It describes how I eat, not a reason. I think it's completely inaccurate to label it a diet and those that do are probably the ones experiencing health concerns.

    I'm very aware of the B-12 concerns and eat plenty of fortified foods and take a multi-vitamin. Maybe I'll regret my choice in 20 years, but I'm happy and healthy now so I'd like to think it's because of my "diet".
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    rgambs said:
    You know who doesn't have to take supplements to have a healthy body?
    People who eat eggs.
    That's not entirely true either. Eggs may contain more nutrients than most any other food, but just because you eat them doesn't mean you have a healthy body without supplements. Most people are deficient in iodine more than anything. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    doing ok after 12 years.  Thanks though.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited December 2018
    Smellyman said:
    doing ok after 12 years.  Thanks though.
    You are a vegan?  Do you supplement for the vitamins and minerals that are lacking in a purely vegan diet?  Evidently malnutrition is becoming an issue in developed nations due to people not considering this.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,026
    Isn't the appendix a body part left over from when we were mainly plant based? 
    Also my daughter is vegan  . She chose it after years of dairy  intolerance gave up meat so a Vegan diet has no dairy so just ended up there .takes vits


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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    edited December 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Smellyman said:
    doing ok after 12 years.  Thanks though.
    You are a vegan?  Do you supplement for the vitamins and minerals that are lacking in a purely vegan diet?  Evidently malnutrition is becoming an issue in developed nations due to people not considering this.
    yes,

    Not really, already got all my b12 from soy milk and cereal this morning as most things are fortified.

    As much as heavy meat eaters probably worry about vitamin C.  Do vegans think about sure and they should.  It isn't some crazy epidemic.


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

    Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

    And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

    Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

    I say, be open, don't judge.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    edited December 2018
    brianlux said:
    I wouldn't be too quick to categorize vegans as being unhealthy.  Some maybe, sure but most?  I don't think so. 

    Take  a typical Sea Shepherd crew, for example.  Most of them are vegans.  Do these folks look unhealthy, especially considering the hard work they do:

    And I have a friend who has been a vegan for several years.  He's one of the most buff, fit and able people I know.

    Any diet, improperly balanced, can lead to illness.  Anyone with a properly balance diet but shitty genes and become ill.  I am often suspicious of articles and spokespersons putting down vegan and vegetarian diets. 

    I say, be open, don't judge.
    Bingo.
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