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no one is denying her accomplishments, and stop getting personal. every time someone disagrees with you, they get villified as a trump supporter, racist, sexist, anti-semite, you name it.Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.
the presidency is a far different animal than anything else. positive association is huge. not just for women. that goes for men as well. you don't need to turn this into sexist nonsense when that isn't at all what I'm talking about. I'd say the same fucking thing about anyone, regardless of gender.
but how many first gentlemen are there examples to draw from? right.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0 -
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Why are you talking about Hillary in a Trump thread? What is it about strong powerful women that gets people so riled up? I happen to disagree with your premise, that had she not been FLOTUS, she wouldn't have gotten where she was/is. Hence the remark about your daughters. Because thats what you're saying. A women is still identified more by who she marries than what her accomplishments, education, etc. say about her. Still, in the 21st Century. Imagine that.HughFreakingDillon said:
no one is denying her accomplishments, and stop getting personal. every time someone disagrees with you, they get villified as a trump supporter, racist, sexist, anti-semite, you name it.Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.
the presidency is a far different animal than anything else. positive association is huge. not just for women. that goes for men as well. you don't need to turn this into sexist nonsense when that isn't at all what I'm talking about. I'd say the same fucking thing about anyone, regardless of gender.
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of course. she was hugely successful. but no one can say definitively either way that she'd have gotten the nomination with our without being first lady to Bill Clinton. anyone suggesting so is fooling themselves.curmudgeoness said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Nor could you say that Bill would have run g president of Hillary didn't push him or keep him on the relative straight and narrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course. she was hugely successful. but no one can say definitively either way that she'd have gotten the nomination with our without being first lady to Bill Clinton. anyone suggesting so is fooling themselves.curmudgeoness said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.0 -
Obviously nobody can say definitively obviously, but I don't think one should try and argue against the idea that Hillary may very likely have been just as successful (at least) if she hadn't been Bill's wife. I don't understand why you said that. She's is incredible tough and smart in her own right, and has always been extremely motivated, and IMO is the one who really forged and nurtured most of the important relationships along the way that helped to get her husband into office.
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I said that in response to Halifax's assertion that she would have been elected to the senate even if she hadn't married bill. that is impossible to know.PJ_Soul said:Obviously nobody can say definitively obviously, but I don't think one should try and argue against the idea that Hillary may very likely have been just as successful (at least) if she hadn't been Bill's wife. I don't understand why you said that. She's is incredible tough and smart in her own right, and has always been extremely motivated, and IMO is the one who really forged and nurtured most of the important relationships along the way that helped to get her husband into office.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
of course.mrussel1 said:
Nor could you say that Bill would have run g president of Hillary didn't push him or keep him on the relative straight and narrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course. she was hugely successful. but no one can say definitively either way that she'd have gotten the nomination with our without being first lady to Bill Clinton. anyone suggesting so is fooling themselves.curmudgeoness said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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you know, conversations tend to meander and evolve and then eventually get back on topic. go back and read. i don't know who brought her up. I think it started with melania and then someone mentioned hillary. but I'm sorry, are you a mod? in the trump thread it's out of bounds to mention his presidential opponent? you know, the woman whom you've mentioned in every political thread a thousand times over the last 2 years? usually preceded by "buh buh...."Halifax2TheMax said:
Why are you talking about Hillary in a Trump thread? What is it about strong powerful women that gets people so riled up? I happen to disagree with your premise, that had she not been FLOTUS, she wouldn't have gotten where she was/is. Hence the remark about your daughters. Because thats what you're saying. A women is still identified more by who she marries than what her accomplishments, education, etc. say about her. Still, in the 21st Century. Imagine that.HughFreakingDillon said:
no one is denying her accomplishments, and stop getting personal. every time someone disagrees with you, they get villified as a trump supporter, racist, sexist, anti-semite, you name it.Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.
the presidency is a far different animal than anything else. positive association is huge. not just for women. that goes for men as well. you don't need to turn this into sexist nonsense when that isn't at all what I'm talking about. I'd say the same fucking thing about anyone, regardless of gender.
but how many first gentlemen are there examples to draw from? right.
i didn't say she WOULDN'T have. I said it's impossible to know, and it has zero to do with her gender. It has to do with her spouse being president. same would go if it were the reverse.
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Therefore that can be stated for any politician. So I don't get why it's a point of discussion.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course.mrussel1 said:
Nor could you say that Bill would have run g president of Hillary didn't push him or keep him on the relative straight and narrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course. she was hugely successful. but no one can say definitively either way that she'd have gotten the nomination with our without being first lady to Bill Clinton. anyone suggesting so is fooling themselves.curmudgeoness said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.0 -
it was a hypothetical retort mentioned only because of the post about melania being an escort. nothing more. then halifax has to take it to another fucking dimension and somehow I ended up being a sexist and horribly oppressive father. FFS. this place is unreal sometimes.mrussel1 said:
Therefore that can be stated for any politician. So I don't get why it's a point of discussion.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course.mrussel1 said:
Nor could you say that Bill would have run g president of Hillary didn't push him or keep him on the relative straight and narrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course. she was hugely successful. but no one can say definitively either way that she'd have gotten the nomination with our without being first lady to Bill Clinton. anyone suggesting so is fooling themselves.curmudgeoness said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.
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Ok I see.HughFreakingDillon said:
it was a hypothetical retort mentioned only because of the post about melania being an escort. nothing more. then halifax has to take it to another fucking dimension and somehow I ended up being a sexist and horribly oppressive father. FFS. this place is unreal sometimes.mrussel1 said:
Therefore that can be stated for any politician. So I don't get why it's a point of discussion.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course.mrussel1 said:
Nor could you say that Bill would have run g president of Hillary didn't push him or keep him on the relative straight and narrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course. she was hugely successful. but no one can say definitively either way that she'd have gotten the nomination with our without being first lady to Bill Clinton. anyone suggesting so is fooling themselves.curmudgeoness said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.0 -
Jesus fucking Christ, why does everyone on here get so offended so easily? Did I call you sexist? Did I call you an oppressive father? WTF? I disagreed with your opinion, statement or whatever the fuck you posited. I didn’t attack you. I didn’t call you a name. I responded to your question about whether Hillary being married to bill was responsible or had any bearing on her past or current success. Lighten the fuck up.HughFreakingDillon said:
it was a hypothetical retort mentioned only because of the post about melania being an escort. nothing more. then halifax has to take it to another fucking dimension and somehow I ended up being a sexist and horribly oppressive father. FFS. this place is unreal sometimes.mrussel1 said:
Therefore that can be stated for any politician. So I don't get why it's a point of discussion.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course.mrussel1 said:
Nor could you say that Bill would have run g president of Hillary didn't push him or keep him on the relative straight and narrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course. she was hugely successful. but no one can say definitively either way that she'd have gotten the nomination with our without being first lady to Bill Clinton. anyone suggesting so is fooling themselves.curmudgeoness said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.
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I don't get offended easily. it's because of how your carry yourself on these forums. I'll leave it at that.Halifax2TheMax said:
Jesus fucking Christ, why does everyone on here get so offended so easily? Did I call you sexist? Did I call you an oppressive father? WTF? I disagreed with your opinion, statement or whatever the fuck you posited. I didn’t attack you. I didn’t call you a name. I responded to your question about whether Hillary being married to bill was responsible or had any bearing on her past or current success. Lighten the fuck up.HughFreakingDillon said:
it was a hypothetical retort mentioned only because of the post about melania being an escort. nothing more. then halifax has to take it to another fucking dimension and somehow I ended up being a sexist and horribly oppressive father. FFS. this place is unreal sometimes.mrussel1 said:
Therefore that can be stated for any politician. So I don't get why it's a point of discussion.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course.mrussel1 said:
Nor could you say that Bill would have run g president of Hillary didn't push him or keep him on the relative straight and narrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course. she was hugely successful. but no one can say definitively either way that she'd have gotten the nomination with our without being first lady to Bill Clinton. anyone suggesting so is fooling themselves.curmudgeoness said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.
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And you’re always a voice of sane reason and politeness? I’ll leave it at that.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't get offended easily. it's because of how your carry yourself on these forums. I'll leave it at that.Halifax2TheMax said:
Jesus fucking Christ, why does everyone on here get so offended so easily? Did I call you sexist? Did I call you an oppressive father? WTF? I disagreed with your opinion, statement or whatever the fuck you posited. I didn’t attack you. I didn’t call you a name. I responded to your question about whether Hillary being married to bill was responsible or had any bearing on her past or current success. Lighten the fuck up.HughFreakingDillon said:
it was a hypothetical retort mentioned only because of the post about melania being an escort. nothing more. then halifax has to take it to another fucking dimension and somehow I ended up being a sexist and horribly oppressive father. FFS. this place is unreal sometimes.mrussel1 said:
Therefore that can be stated for any politician. So I don't get why it's a point of discussion.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course.mrussel1 said:
Nor could you say that Bill would have run g president of Hillary didn't push him or keep him on the relative straight and narrow.HughFreakingDillon said:
of course. she was hugely successful. but no one can say definitively either way that she'd have gotten the nomination with our without being first lady to Bill Clinton. anyone suggesting so is fooling themselves.curmudgeoness said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I think Hillary accomplished much of what she accomplished because of her hard work and intelligence. Did Bill get her into Yale law school? Did Bill get her appointed to the house staff investigating Watergate? Did Bill write her opinions when she worked for the Rose Law Firm or get her the job? Are any of your wife's accomplishments the result of marrying you? Better tell your daughters to marry well.HughFreakingDillon said:
you don't think being first lady had ANYTHING to do with her subsequent political success?Halifax2TheMax said:
Because being married to Bill Clinton is was got her elected to the US Senate? Or nominated and confirmed as SOS? What’s Melania’s comparable achievements?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well she stays with Bill even though he cheats, and she's gone after the women that have accused him of sexual assault. Sounds more like a political partnership than a marriage and it might have led to a perception that she's not a leader since she's so bound to her powerful husband. The thought of divorce had to cross her mind when it became worldwide news that Bill was getting blowjobs from an intern. But it's in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife.oftenreading said:
Is there any evidence of that, though? I think there’s actually plenty to the contrary.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, but it could be argued that the only reason she stays with him is to forward her career just as much as anyone can argue that melania is a gold digger.oftenreading said:
Given that Bill was neither older nor wealthy when they married, I’m not sure your analogy holds.cincybearcat said:
That fucking escort Hillary couldn’t win the most winnable election then.Ledbetterman10 said:
Seems fair. She did marry an old man because he's rich. And she doesn't leave him despite it being well-documented that he cheats on her. Trump himself has said they don't sleep in the same bed.cincybearcat said:I just noticed you called her, his escort. Classy.
Talk about hypocrisy. Hillary gets villified when in fact, if you asked anyone who has worked with her, including repub senators in that most exclusive club of 100, they all say how hard she worked, how much effort she put in in understanding the issues, the complexities, the minutua of policy and yet, its all due to being married to Bill.
And yes, if she divorced Bill and ran for the senate, she'd still get elected.
Behind every great man stands a greater woman.I think old Bill himself acknowledges that she is smarter and tougher than he is. She got damn far before he became president. Like her or dislike her, pause for a second to think about the obstacles women her age faced back in the day.
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Things not to do as President...
Alienate and insult the press
Alienate and insult the intelligence community
Alienate and insult the military
Alienate and insult friendly countries
Alienate and insult most Americans
Cozy up to murderous dictators
Cozy up to hate groups
Aspire to be an anti-constitutionalist
Act like an immature, petulant, spoiled 5 yr old
Preach a rhetoric of fear, hate, ignorance, and lies
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There must be something else he can fuck up. This list was way too easy.Bentleyspop said:Things not to do as President...
Alienate and insult the press
Alienate and insult the intelligence community
Alienate and insult the military
Alienate and insult friendly countries
Alienate and insult most Americans
Cozy up to murderous dictators
Cozy up to hate groups
Aspire to be an anti-constitutionalist
Act like an immature, petulant, spoiled 5 yr old
Preach a rhetoric of fear, hate, ignorance, and lies0
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