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  • ikiT
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  • cincybearcat
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    Ok Tiki, I get it.  You have a twitter account.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    Tiki said:
    Wow a confederate flag hanging with a trump flag. Is this some sort of startling discovery?
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    Tiki said:
    Wow a confederate flag hanging with a trump flag. Is this some sort of startling discovery?
    Yah. They're synonymous. No surprises here.
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  • I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    mcgruff10 said:
    Tiki said:
    Wow a confederate flag hanging with a trump flag. Is this some sort of startling discovery?
    A reminder is never a bad thing. People seem to be reaching apathy/normalization mode now, so there really can't be too many reminders of what the deal is.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 
    The Confederacy lost. They’re losers and should be treated as such.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 
    Yeah. And depending on your interpretation of history a Nazi flag isn't racist either. I'm never sure what point anyone is trying to make by pointing that out though.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 
    Yeah. And depending on your interpretation of history a Nazi flag isn't racist either. I'm never sure what point anyone is trying to make by pointing that out though.
    The nazi flag and confederate flag are totally different and you know it.  
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    edited October 2018
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 
    Yeah. And depending on your interpretation of history a Nazi flag isn't racist either. I'm never sure what point anyone is trying to make by pointing that out though.
    The nazi flag and confederate flag are totally different and you know it.  
    Not in the context of my analogy it's not.... Or in any other context for that matter. I personally feel they aren't very different at all. The Neo-Nazis seem to agree. They love flying the Confederate flag alongside the Nazi flag. They do that for a reason.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 
    Yeah. And depending on your interpretation of history a Nazi flag isn't racist either. I'm never sure what point anyone is trying to make by pointing that out though.
    The nazi flag and confederate flag are totally different and you know it.  
    Not in the context of my analogy it's not.... Or in any other context for that matter. I personally feel they aren't very different at all. The Neo-Nazis seem to agree. They love flying the Confederate flag alongside the Nazi flag. They do that for a reason.
    Ok cool. I am just going to agree to end this conversation. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 
    Yeah. And depending on your interpretation of history a Nazi flag isn't racist either. I'm never sure what point anyone is trying to make by pointing that out though.
    The nazi flag and confederate flag are totally different and you know it.  
    Not in the context of my analogy it's not.... Or in any other context for that matter. I personally feel they aren't very different at all. The Neo-Nazis seem to agree. They love flying the Confederate flag alongside the Nazi flag. They do that for a reason.
    Ok cool. I am just going to agree to end this conversation. 

    It's ok mcg you can have it on the back of your pick truck they look great back there lol 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 
    Yeah. And depending on your interpretation of history a Nazi flag isn't racist either. I'm never sure what point anyone is trying to make by pointing that out though.
    The nazi flag and confederate flag are totally different and you know it.  
    Not in the context of my analogy it's not.... Or in any other context for that matter. I personally feel they aren't very different at all. The Neo-Nazis seem to agree. They love flying the Confederate flag alongside the Nazi flag. They do that for a reason.
    Ok cool. I am just going to agree to end this conversation. 

    Okay. Too bad. It's one worth having.
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  • CM189191
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    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 

    Sorry - confederate flag represents racism.  It did at the time.  And it still does today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tappan_Thompson

    William Tappan Thompson supported the Confederacy during the American Civil War. In 1863, as the editor of the Morning News, he discussed a variant of a design that would ultimately become the Confederacy's second national flag, which would become known as the "Stainless Banner" or the "Jackson Flag" (for its first use as the flag that draped the coffin of Confederate Lt. Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.)  In a series of editorials, Thompson wrote why he felt the design should be chosen to represent the Confederacy as "The White Man's Flag."
    • "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race: a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause."
    After the editorial was published, the editor of the Savannah Morning News received a dispatch announcing the senate had adopted the flag Thompson suggested.  

    ...I'd say that's pretty f'n clear...not sure how else you would interpret that...
  • CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 

    Sorry - confederate flag represents racism.  It did at the time.  And it still does today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tappan_Thompson

    William Tappan Thompson supported the Confederacy during the American Civil War. In 1863, as the editor of the Morning News, he discussed a variant of a design that would ultimately become the Confederacy's second national flag, which would become known as the "Stainless Banner" or the "Jackson Flag" (for its first use as the flag that draped the coffin of Confederate Lt. Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.)  In a series of editorials, Thompson wrote why he felt the design should be chosen to represent the Confederacy as "The White Man's Flag."
    • "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race: a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause."
    After the editorial was published, the editor of the Savannah Morning News received a dispatch announcing the senate had adopted the flag Thompson suggested.  

    ...I'd say that's pretty f'n clear...not sure how else you would interpret that...
    “Decent people on both sides,” you know?
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  • my2hands
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    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 

    Sorry - confederate flag represents racism.  It did at the time.  And it still does today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tappan_Thompson

    William Tappan Thompson supported the Confederacy during the American Civil War. In 1863, as the editor of the Morning News, he discussed a variant of a design that would ultimately become the Confederacy's second national flag, which would become known as the "Stainless Banner" or the "Jackson Flag" (for its first use as the flag that draped the coffin of Confederate Lt. Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.)  In a series of editorials, Thompson wrote why he felt the design should be chosen to represent the Confederacy as "The White Man's Flag."
    • "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race: a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause."
    After the editorial was published, the editor of the Savannah Morning News received a dispatch announcing the senate had adopted the flag Thompson suggested.  

    ...I'd say that's pretty f'n clear...not sure how else you would interpret that...
    But the flag isnt white? 

    "A white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    my2hands said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I can only imagine the reaction if there were a picture of the Hope flag flying with the Black Panthers’ flag. Maybe putin on the ritz can photo shop a meme in the next couple of weeks? Or the RNC?
    But there wasn’t, it was a confederate flag. Like del said, no surprises here. And depending on your interpretation of history a confederate flag is not racist. 

    Sorry - confederate flag represents racism.  It did at the time.  And it still does today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tappan_Thompson

    William Tappan Thompson supported the Confederacy during the American Civil War. In 1863, as the editor of the Morning News, he discussed a variant of a design that would ultimately become the Confederacy's second national flag, which would become known as the "Stainless Banner" or the "Jackson Flag" (for its first use as the flag that draped the coffin of Confederate Lt. Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.)  In a series of editorials, Thompson wrote why he felt the design should be chosen to represent the Confederacy as "The White Man's Flag."
    • "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race: a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause."
    After the editorial was published, the editor of the Savannah Morning News received a dispatch announcing the senate had adopted the flag Thompson suggested.  

    ...I'd say that's pretty f'n clear...not sure how else you would interpret that...
    But the flag isnt white? 

    "A white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause"
    That's why it says "he discussed a variant of a design that would ultimately become the Confederacy's second national flag." The version that came of this was:


    Which then became this:


    And of course their battle flag, which of course racists love the most:



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  • njnancy
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    OK - confederate flags - I got a bunch of pages to read to see how we got to this. 
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