Donald Trump

Bentleyspop said:

A true proud American president...

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1053070472219217920?s=19

 

josevolution said:

njnancy said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I've just been skimming many of the posts- only stopping to point out the silly, lower level ones like Unsung's who claims 'he hates liars' while tripping over himself to defend McDonald.

Things have gotten a bit more serious for me. Can someone please clarify the following for me:

1. Did the Saudis dismember an American resident from Virginia while he was still alive... with a bone saw?
2. Did the Saudis try and cover it up?
3. Did the Trump administration accept the promises of Saudi rulers to conduct their own investigation into the disappearance (despite Turkish assertions that prominent people in the royal court had ordered his execution)?

Thanks in advance.

1. They cut off his fingers while he was alive before beheading him.
2. Guy goes into the consulant and never comes out, Saudis are covering up what happened to him, so yes.
3. Yes and Team Trump Treason via Pompouso gave the Saudis a few more days to get their story straight.

Sad.

He was a Saudi with American residency who was engaged with 2 American children. 
He was told by the Saudi's that he needed paperwork to make it a legitimate marriage in their eyes.
He wanted to make things right with SA because, although he was a proponent of free speech and against the direction SA has taken, he struggled with loving being a Saudi living in self exile in order to speak truth to power. 

SA sent in a cleaning crew to the consulate before Turkey could send in their forensic people.
SA prevented Turkey from going to the consul general's home until last night and after they had brought the consul, his wife, his children and the housekeeper back to SA so there are no witnesses to interview.
There is proof that, besides the major cleaning, they repainted a wall in the consul general's home.

1. A forensic expert was sent to SA and entered the consulate with a bone saw, even though it is impossible to get a pointy car key into a consulate. 
2. The Saudi's said that he a - left the building then b - got cold feet about marriage and disappeared c - was possibly hurt/killed in an interrogation con wrong d- rogue SA people interrogated and killed him e - still have not given a straight answer except that MBS had nothing to do with it.
3. Trump and Pompeo tested out the rogue element excuse on the American public.
4. We knew that SA was planning something ahead of Kashoggi going to Turkey through our intelligence but did not tell him.
5. Trump has not looked or listened to the tapes that Turkey has yet, though intelligence has. 
6. The tapes purport that he was immediately taken to a room upon entering the consulate and was interrogated, had fingers cut off and beheaded while alive and the forensic expert told the other SA's that listening to music makes dismembering less unpleasant. He turned on music for himself - not known if they did. It appears that his body was taken from the consulate to the consul general's home for the dismemberment and possibly beheading. 
7. Pieces of his body  reportedly have been dumped all over Turkey.
8. Trump said today (he disappered on the 2nd) that it looks like Kashoggi was killed. Duh.
9. Nothing is done by SA without MBS's approval. Nothing. And we know this. 

The saddest thing about this gruesome incident is that he agreed to go to the consulate because he wanted to marry within SA guidelines, but it was just a ruse.

Trump is covering up with him because of SA's political importance in the MidEast and Jared's affection for MBS. The SA role is complicated and always has been but things have gotten worse since MBS has taken over from the ailing King. We should have denounced this immediately instead of trying to help them cover up such a heinous act done to an American resident on another foreign country's soil. 

Everythng Halifax said was correct, I just needed to get all the gruesome details out of my head and express my disbelief at how America has become a place that I do not recognize. 

Yep I agree 

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

Honest question.. How do you guys find energy for this world and its bullshit anymore?

There is plenty good in this world still.  Mostly good on a daily basis.  And I have a daughter who is the smartest, bestest kid ever that I want to be the 3rd Female US president.

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Semantics.

I was referring more to 'impact'. Strong referees display quiet confidence and they are decisive and proficient. Players and coaches accept their calls because they project proficiency with their stoicism. 

Stoicism is what the US currently lacks and desperately needs. Strong and confident are two words not synonymous with Trump. His leadership traits are exceptionally weak and because this is so... his leadership is as well.  

Perhaps semantics. I see your point. But while I didn’t agree with everything he did, Obama was a pretty good president in terms of leadership and enspiring (most of the time) and I would say he wouldn’t meet your definition of what you want.

Either way I understand what you mean and yes it would be refreshing for sure.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Semantics.

I was referring more to 'impact'. Strong referees display quiet confidence and they are decisive and proficient. Players and coaches accept their calls because they project proficiency with their stoicism. 

Stoicism is what the US currently lacks and desperately needs. Strong and confident are two words not synonymous with Trump. His leadership traits are exceptionally weak and because this is so... his leadership is as well.  

Perhaps semantics. I see your point. But while I didn’t agree with everything he did, Obama was a pretty good president in terms of leadership and enspiring (most of the time) and I would say he wouldn’t meet your definition of what you want.

Either way I understand what you mean and yes it would be refreshing for sure.

lol

I need to do a better job at writing (seriously). My apologies for not taking the time to accurately detail what I mean the first time around.

Have a good day.

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Semantics.

I was referring more to 'impact'. Strong referees display quiet confidence and they are decisive and proficient. Players and coaches accept their calls because they project proficiency with their stoicism. 

Stoicism is what the US currently lacks and desperately needs. Strong and confident are two words not synonymous with Trump. His leadership traits are exceptionally weak and because this is so... his leadership is as well.  

Perhaps semantics. I see your point. But while I didn’t agree with everything he did, Obama was a pretty good president in terms of leadership and enspiring (most of the time) and I would say he wouldn’t meet your definition of what you want.

Either way I understand what you mean and yes it would be refreshing for sure.

lol

I need to do a better job at writing (seriously). My apologies for not taking the time to accurately detail what I mean the first time around.

Have a good day.

Me too. I’m failing miserably today. And when the conversation is just 1:1 I can rebound quickly, but gets out a hand when more jump in. I’ll give myself a D, cause my effort is good otherwise a F today! 

F is for Fryday.