tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

my2hands said:

The W administration was 100x's worse than this administration 

I think he was. Started 2 huge wars. Does anyone even know how many died in the 19 year war in the middle east the Bush started?

He hadn't done any of that when he'd been in office as long as Trump has been though. Let's just wait and see. (of course, 9/11 kind of had an impact on the Bush presidency as well as his reelection, so comparing these two administrations/presidents at all doesn't make too much sense to me at the moment).

Obviously the Iraq war and the fruit from that poisonous tree (torture, Patriot Act, mission accomplished, lack of body armor for troops, cost of the war, Osama Bin-Laden fail, post-Saddam plan fail, etc.) are the biggest scale tippers for the Bush admin being the worst, but let's not forget how horribly he handled the economy, hurricane Katrina, the environment (turning his back on the Kyoto protocol), tax cuts for the wealthy, his executive orders and the list goes on. Oddly enough, Bush should have never been president and neither should Trump. Two losing presidents who were both fake successful businessman and cheated the system to get rich are the worst 2 presidents of the modern age, but yet our damn country is stupid enough to buy in to it within a decade of each other. I think some on here need to revisit how horrible Bush was and how he got to be president in the 1st place. Fuck that guy and fuck the current guy. They're both shit, one just hasn't killed thousands directly yet by sending them to a fake war, but he's setting the indirect death of many with every flick of his tiny pen wielding appendage.

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

my2hands said:

The W administration was 100x's worse than this administration 

I think he was. Started 2 huge wars. Does anyone even know how many died in the 19 year war in the middle east the Bush started?

He hadn't done any of that when he'd been in office as long as Trump has been though. Let's just wait and see. (of course, 9/11 kind of had an impact on the Bush presidency as well as his reelection, so comparing these two administrations/presidents at all doesn't make too much sense to me at the moment).

Obviously the Iraq war and the fruit from that poisonous tree (torture, Patriot Act, mission accomplished, lack of body armor for troops, cost of the war, Osama Bin-Laden fail, post-Saddam plan fail, etc.) are the biggest scale tippers for the Bush admin being the worst, but let's not forget how horribly he handled the economy, hurricane Katrina, the environment (turning his back on the Kyoto protocol), tax cuts for the wealthy, his executive orders and the list goes on. Oddly enough, Bush should have never been president and neither should Trump. Two losing presidents who were both fake successful businessman and cheated the system to get rich are the worst 2 presidents of the modern age, but yet our damn country is stupid enough to buy in to it within a decade of each other. I think some on here need to revisit how horrible Bush was and how he got to be president in the 1st place. Fuck that guy and fuck the current guy. They're both shit, one just hasn't killed thousands directly yet by sending them to a fake war, but he's setting the indirect death of many with every flick of his tiny pen wielding appendage.

Not always so indirect. Trump has ramped up drone attacks in the middle easy by a massive amount, leading to many direct deaths too, with little to no concern about civilian casualties.

Aaaah yes, the drone strikes no one cares about anymore now that Obama is out of office. I'd still classify those as a form of indirect murder because much like using a credit card, you aren't noticing the immediate impact of the action. People want to be able to justify their actions without having to think much about the consequence. Apparently the American people feel the same way based on the deafening silence, especially Trump supporters. The only thing they have to say is that Trump has eliminated ISIS and that they don't hear much about terror attacks anymore so it must not exist, unless you're the innocent middle east citizen cursing the reign of US terror over there.

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

my2hands said:

The W administration was 100x's worse than this administration 

I think he was. Started 2 huge wars. Does anyone even know how many died in the 19 year war in the middle east the Bush started?

He hadn't done any of that when he'd been in office as long as Trump has been though. Let's just wait and see. (of course, 9/11 kind of had an impact on the Bush presidency as well as his reelection, so comparing these two administrations/presidents at all doesn't make too much sense to me at the moment).

Obviously the Iraq war and the fruit from that poisonous tree (torture, Patriot Act, mission accomplished, lack of body armor for troops, cost of the war, Osama Bin-Laden fail, post-Saddam plan fail, etc.) are the biggest scale tippers for the Bush admin being the worst, but let's not forget how horribly he handled the economy, hurricane Katrina, the environment (turning his back on the Kyoto protocol), tax cuts for the wealthy, his executive orders and the list goes on. Oddly enough, Bush should have never been president and neither should Trump. Two losing presidents who were both fake successful businessman and cheated the system to get rich are the worst 2 presidents of the modern age, but yet our damn country is stupid enough to buy in to it within a decade of each other. I think some on here need to revisit how horrible Bush was and how he got to be president in the 1st place. Fuck that guy and fuck the current guy. They're both shit, one just hasn't killed thousands directly yet by sending them to a fake war, but he's setting the indirect death of many with every flick of his tiny pen wielding appendage.

Not always so indirect. Trump has ramped up drone attacks in the middle easy by a massive amount, leading to many direct deaths too, with little to no concern about civilian casualties.

Aaaah yes, the drone strikes no one cares about anymore now that Obama is out of office. I'd still classify those as a form of indirect murder because much like using a credit card, you aren't noticing the immediate impact of the action. People want to be able to justify their actions without having to think much about the consequence. Apparently the American people feel the same way based on the deafening silence, especially Trump supporters. The only thing they have to say is that Trump has eliminated ISIS and that they don't hear much about terror attacks anymore so it must not exist, unless you're the innocent middle east citizen cursing the reign of US terror over there.

It's all about the media.... And as I've said again and again, the effect Trump has had on the media and has the potential to have on the media, and, worse, people's perceptions when it comes to the news media thanks to Trump's very deliberate propaganda, may be more dangerous to America and the American people themselves than anything else he does to them, or anything Bush ever did to them. I think this topic is wildly underplayed and far too ignored. I think that is probably because it's not something that's concrete. You can't look at statistics or job numbers or the stock market to demonstrate this particular danger to Americans... But history has shown, all over the world, that it could indeed be what harms the citizens of America and the condition of the country the most in the long run.

Chicken or the egg... if the people are dumb enough to be duped, what's it matter?

Trump isnt the disease, he is a symptom of the disease.

Save yourselves, it's too late. It's all bullshit and its all toxic. Enjoy life while you can. Or choose to focus on toilet paper on his shoes, your call lol

Do what you can with your two hands, fuck everything else

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

my2hands said:

The W administration was 100x's worse than this administration 

I think he was. Started 2 huge wars. Does anyone even know how many died in the 19 year war in the middle east the Bush started?

He hadn't done any of that when he'd been in office as long as Trump has been though. Let's just wait and see. (of course, 9/11 kind of had an impact on the Bush presidency as well as his reelection, so comparing these two administrations/presidents at all doesn't make too much sense to me at the moment).

Obviously the Iraq war and the fruit from that poisonous tree (torture, Patriot Act, mission accomplished, lack of body armor for troops, cost of the war, Osama Bin-Laden fail, post-Saddam plan fail, etc.) are the biggest scale tippers for the Bush admin being the worst, but let's not forget how horribly he handled the economy, hurricane Katrina, the environment (turning his back on the Kyoto protocol), tax cuts for the wealthy, his executive orders and the list goes on. Oddly enough, Bush should have never been president and neither should Trump. Two losing presidents who were both fake successful businessman and cheated the system to get rich are the worst 2 presidents of the modern age, but yet our damn country is stupid enough to buy in to it within a decade of each other. I think some on here need to revisit how horrible Bush was and how he got to be president in the 1st place. Fuck that guy and fuck the current guy. They're both shit, one just hasn't killed thousands directly yet by sending them to a fake war, but he's setting the indirect death of many with every flick of his tiny pen wielding appendage.

Not always so indirect. Trump has ramped up drone attacks in the middle easy by a massive amount, leading to many direct deaths too, with little to no concern about civilian casualties.

Aaaah yes, the drone strikes no one cares about anymore now that Obama is out of office. I'd still classify those as a form of indirect murder because much like using a credit card, you aren't noticing the immediate impact of the action. People want to be able to justify their actions without having to think much about the consequence. Apparently the American people feel the same way based on the deafening silence, especially Trump supporters. The only thing they have to say is that Trump has eliminated ISIS and that they don't hear much about terror attacks anymore so it must not exist, unless you're the innocent middle east citizen cursing the reign of US terror over there.

It's all about the media.... And as I've said again and again, the effect Trump has had on the media and has the potential to have on the media, and, worse, people's perceptions when it comes to the news media thanks to Trump's very deliberate propaganda, may be more dangerous to America and the American people themselves than anything else he does to them, or anything Bush ever did to them. I think this topic is wildly underplayed and far too ignored. I think that is probably because it's not something that's concrete. You can't look at statistics or job numbers or the stock market to demonstrate this particular danger to Americans... But history has shown, all over the world, that it could indeed be what harms the citizens of America and the condition of the country the most in the long run.

Chicken or the egg... if the people are dumb enough to be duped, what's it matter?

Trump isnt the disease, he is a symptom of the disease.

Save yourselves, it's too late. It's all bullshit and its all toxic. Enjoy life while you can. Or choose to focus on toilet paper on his shoes, your call lol

Do what you can with your two hands, fuck everything else

There comes a point when being dumb or smart has nothing to do with it.

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Is the middle east better today or before that Bush and his war criminal went full maniac ...

All Bush had to do after 911 is tell the commanding officers to let the special forces hunt Bin Laden, because in the end that who eventually captured him.  Instead, he sent a bunch of young people who probably couldn't even find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map off to die in a pointless war.  W is a WAR CRIMINAL, the same as Hitler and many more...I have no problem mentioning W and Hitler in the same breath, both evil.  The real evil doer was the Bush Administration...

Both are real evil doers. That is my point. I think looking and Bush and saying "he's the real evil doer" completely dismisses or plays down all the evil currently being inflicted by the Trump administration. I don't say that in an effort to play down the evil doing of the Bush admin, but to enforce the fact that evil persists with the Trump admin. Some people seem to think the Trump admin is just some joke that they have to endure for a while. That is not the case at all.

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

tbergs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

my2hands said:

The W administration was 100x's worse than this administration 

I think he was. Started 2 huge wars. Does anyone even know how many died in the 19 year war in the middle east the Bush started?

He hadn't done any of that when he'd been in office as long as Trump has been though. Let's just wait and see. (of course, 9/11 kind of had an impact on the Bush presidency as well as his reelection, so comparing these two administrations/presidents at all doesn't make too much sense to me at the moment).

Obviously the Iraq war and the fruit from that poisonous tree (torture, Patriot Act, mission accomplished, lack of body armor for troops, cost of the war, Osama Bin-Laden fail, post-Saddam plan fail, etc.) are the biggest scale tippers for the Bush admin being the worst, but let's not forget how horribly he handled the economy, hurricane Katrina, the environment (turning his back on the Kyoto protocol), tax cuts for the wealthy, his executive orders and the list goes on. Oddly enough, Bush should have never been president and neither should Trump. Two losing presidents who were both fake successful businessman and cheated the system to get rich are the worst 2 presidents of the modern age, but yet our damn country is stupid enough to buy in to it within a decade of each other. I think some on here need to revisit how horrible Bush was and how he got to be president in the 1st place. Fuck that guy and fuck the current guy. They're both shit, one just hasn't killed thousands directly yet by sending them to a fake war, but he's setting the indirect death of many with every flick of his tiny pen wielding appendage.

Not always so indirect. Trump has ramped up drone attacks in the middle easy by a massive amount, leading to many direct deaths too, with little to no concern about civilian casualties.

Aaaah yes, the drone strikes no one cares about anymore now that Obama is out of office. I'd still classify those as a form of indirect murder because much like using a credit card, you aren't noticing the immediate impact of the action. People want to be able to justify their actions without having to think much about the consequence. Apparently the American people feel the same way based on the deafening silence, especially Trump supporters. The only thing they have to say is that Trump has eliminated ISIS and that they don't hear much about terror attacks anymore so it must not exist, unless you're the innocent middle east citizen cursing the reign of US terror over there.

It's all about the media.... And as I've said again and again, the effect Trump has had on the media and has the potential to have on the media, and, worse, people's perceptions when it comes to the news media thanks to Trump's very deliberate propaganda, may be more dangerous to America and the American people themselves than anything else he does to them, or anything Bush ever did to them. I think this topic is wildly underplayed and far too ignored. I think that is probably because it's not something that's concrete. You can't look at statistics or job numbers or the stock market to demonstrate this particular danger to Americans... But history has shown, all over the world, that it could indeed be what harms the citizens of America and the condition of the country the most in the long run.

Chicken or the egg... if the people are dumb enough to be duped, what's it matter?

Trump isnt the disease, he is a symptom of the disease.

Save yourselves, it's too late. It's all bullshit and its all toxic. Enjoy life while you can. Or choose to focus on toilet paper on his shoes, your call lol

Do what you can with your two hands, fuck everything else

There comes a point when being dumb or smart has nothing to do with it.

Sure it does... 

He's speaking to people that already agree, he hasn't swayed anyone to agree with him... which is the bigger problem, the one man barking out nonsense or the 60,000,000 that agreed and voted for it? Its not like these supporters just arrived at their ideals in November 2016, they were always there

I'm more worried about the 60,000,000  eggs inst4ad of the 1 orange chicken lol

President Trump wrote an opinion article for USA Today on Oct. 10 regarding proposals to expand Medicare to all Americans — known as Medicare-for-All — in which almost every sentence contained a misleading statement or a falsehood.

Many of these are claims we have already debunked. Presumably, the president is aware of our fact checks — he even links to two — but chose to ignore the facts in service of a campaign-style op-ed. Medicare-for-All is a complex subject, and serious questions could be raised about the cost and how a transition from today’s health-care system would be financed. Trump correctly notes that studies have estimated that the program — under the version promoted by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) — would add $36 trillion in costs to the federal government over 10 years.

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