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Except when he starts barking about fixed elections and refuses to leave.... and all the cletuses show up with rifles.Gern Blansten said:
The only thing that gives me hope with our system is that it still keeps an idiot like tRump in check. I have zero fear of tRump serving a second term and zero fear of him leaving office when his time is up.josevolution said:
He's def putting feelers out there people better wake up ...OnWis97 said:Trump hints at having a president for life in the US. If ANY president (not just Obama, or Clinton but even Bush, Bush, or Reagan) had said something like this, American conservatives would have lost their collective mind.
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This article was from 6 months ago. Not sure why it's news now.MayDay10 said:
Except when he starts barking about fixed elections and refuses to leave.... and all the cletuses show up with rifles.Gern Blansten said:
The only thing that gives me hope with our system is that it still keeps an idiot like tRump in check. I have zero fear of tRump serving a second term and zero fear of him leaving office when his time is up.josevolution said:
He's def putting feelers out there people better wake up ...OnWis97 said:Trump hints at having a president for life in the US. If ANY president (not just Obama, or Clinton but even Bush, Bush, or Reagan) had said something like this, American conservatives would have lost their collective mind.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-says-maybe-u-s-will-have-a-president-for-life-someday
Pretty sure it was a joke. Bush 43 once joked that being president would be a lot easier if we had a dictatorship--or something to that effect. Plenty of things to get riled up about...not sure this is one of them.www.myspace.com0 -
Remember that voting fraud commission that disbanded for lack of something to do?MayDay10 said:
Except when he starts barking about fixed elections and refuses to leave.... and all the cletuses show up with rifles.Gern Blansten said:
The only thing that gives me hope with our system is that it still keeps an idiot like tRump in check. I have zero fear of tRump serving a second term and zero fear of him leaving office when his time is up.josevolution said:
He's def putting feelers out there people better wake up ...OnWis97 said:Trump hints at having a president for life in the US. If ANY president (not just Obama, or Clinton but even Bush, Bush, or Reagan) had said something like this, American conservatives would have lost their collective mind.
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I know you didn't but it seems that you're implying that Team Trump Treason has ruined it for "successful" or "good" or "talented" individuals who were successful in business or industry who could be or would be successful in giovernment. I'm arguing that they would struggle, be hamstrung, grow frustrated and ultimately, not be successful in government. Imagine Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, Koch Brothers (take your pick), Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos as POTUS? No thank you.cincybearcat said:I didn’t say government should run like a business. Sheesh people read whatever they want to into stuff.
Throw some names out there. Who do you think would be a good POTUS because they've been successful in the business world and why? Take the money out of politics, Citizens United, and you'd see more of those types run. The constantly begging for money and feeling like you owe favors to those who gave is one of the things that keep "good" people from running.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I totally agree with you on this.Halifax2TheMax said:
I know you didn't but it seems that you're implying that Team Trump Treason has ruined it for "successful" or "good" or "talented" individuals who were successful in business or industry who could be or would be successful in giovernment. I'm arguing that they would struggle, be hamstrung, grow frustrated and ultimately, not be successful in government. Imagine Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, Koch Brothers (take your pick), Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos as POTUS? No thank you.cincybearcat said:I didn’t say government should run like a business. Sheesh people read whatever they want to into stuff.
Throw some names out there. Who do you think would be a good POTUS because they've been successful in the business world and why? Take the money out of politics, Citizens United, and you'd see more of those types run. The constantly begging for money and feeling like you owe favors to those who gave is one of the things that keep "good" people from running.
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Honestly, I don't see them as that different.Halifax2TheMax said:
I know you didn't but it seems that you're implying that Team Trump Treason has ruined it for "successful" or "good" or "talented" individuals who were successful in business or industry who could be or would be successful in giovernment. I'm arguing that they would struggle, be hamstrung, grow frustrated and ultimately, not be successful in government. Imagine Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, Koch Brothers (take your pick), Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos as POTUS? No thank you.cincybearcat said:I didn’t say government should run like a business. Sheesh people read whatever they want to into stuff.
Throw some names out there. Who do you think would be a good POTUS because they've been successful in the business world and why? Take the money out of politics, Citizens United, and you'd see more of those types run. The constantly begging for money and feeling like you owe favors to those who gave is one of the things that keep "good" people from running.
-Both must feign allegiance to clients and staff, but are allegiant to their bank accounts (optics -> success)
-Both see ethics and justice as negotiable when their bank accounts are threatened (optics -> success)
-Both have plentiful opportunities for corruption and structures which fail to prevent that corruption (corruption -> success)
-Both successfully peddle their product (be it ideas, votes, or products) to easily manipulatable populations (exploitation -> success)
I'm starting to feel like the resident nihilist, but pick a politician or a businessperson - the system itself is FUBAR when politicians are more successful when they embrace optics, exploitation and corruption to fill their pockets, than when they don't. I don't see how capitalism and democracy, especially with a dumb population, can sustainably coexist.
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I am confused... does that guy on the left look different from behind?Meltdown99 said:
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I don't even want to imagine how big a fucking douchebag someone would have to be to walk around with this on, lol.Meltdown99 said:
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Bwahahahaha!!!!PJ_Soul said:
I don't even want to imagine how big a fucking douchebag someone would have to be to walk around with this on, lol.Meltdown99 said:
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I hear this often. I tend to disagree as leadership translates.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor is “government” like “business.” Two completely different animals. Being successful in one does not, and rarely does, translate into success in the other.cincybearcat said:
Not all of them. But there are lots of very intelligent great leaders in industry. It would be refreshing to see that, the best versions of that, playing out in our government where it fits. The biggest difference in my mind is it doesn’t appear that government (congress especially) has any sense of urgency. They never really have deadlines. This could be better.Gern Blansten said:
Yeah and a businessperson isn't anything special. They aren't any better at politics than anyone else. The Exxon guy was a total dud.cincybearcat said:
I'm really quite bummed that we finally got a "business person" who was not a career politician in a high office and this is the one we chose. He is not a true business person (Daddy's $ and no board or shareholders to hold him accountable) and he is slimier and more of a liar than the career politicians...which is really hard to do.Gern Blansten said:I can't get over what a piece of shit tRump is. Just a disgusting human being. How anyone can support this piece of shit blows my mind.
But my biggest annoyance is many will think business people are all just like trump. They aren’t...not at all.
Oh and this doesn’t actually address my point. My point wasn’t that all business people are better than politicians. Just that I’m pissed that this fake business person may have ruined it for others who could actually do a good job.I would agree that leadership skills are transferable. Two issues in the particular case of Agent Orange: 1) He knows nothing -- nothing at all -- about our laws, our Constitution, and how government works. A good business leader could be a good president, assuming they had bothered to learn anything about the government and how it works. This guy couldn't be bothered. 2) He's not a good leader. My husband has, over the course of his career, received a lot of leadership training. Agent Orange's management style, such as it is, is the antithesis of what is being taught. Rather, he is an example of a toxic leader.So I think I'm agreeing with you. A good business leader could be a good president. What we have now is neither.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0 -
LOL ... Trump will at one of his ralliesPJ_Soul said:
I don't even want to imagine how big a fucking douchebag someone would have to be to walk around with this on, lol.Meltdown99 said:
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Yes. I agree with this.curmudgeoness said:cincybearcat said:
I hear this often. I tend to disagree as leadership translates.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor is “government” like “business.” Two completely different animals. Being successful in one does not, and rarely does, translate into success in the other.cincybearcat said:
Not all of them. But there are lots of very intelligent great leaders in industry. It would be refreshing to see that, the best versions of that, playing out in our government where it fits. The biggest difference in my mind is it doesn’t appear that government (congress especially) has any sense of urgency. They never really have deadlines. This could be better.Gern Blansten said:
Yeah and a businessperson isn't anything special. They aren't any better at politics than anyone else. The Exxon guy was a total dud.cincybearcat said:
I'm really quite bummed that we finally got a "business person" who was not a career politician in a high office and this is the one we chose. He is not a true business person (Daddy's $ and no board or shareholders to hold him accountable) and he is slimier and more of a liar than the career politicians...which is really hard to do.Gern Blansten said:I can't get over what a piece of shit tRump is. Just a disgusting human being. How anyone can support this piece of shit blows my mind.
But my biggest annoyance is many will think business people are all just like trump. They aren’t...not at all.
Oh and this doesn’t actually address my point. My point wasn’t that all business people are better than politicians. Just that I’m pissed that this fake business person may have ruined it for others who could actually do a good job.I would agree that leadership skills are transferable. Two issues in the particular case of Agent Orange: 1) He knows nothing -- nothing at all -- about our laws, our Constitution, and how government works. A good business leader could be a good president, assuming they had bothered to learn anything about the government and how it works. This guy couldn't be bothered. 2) He's not a good leader. My husband has, over the course of his career, received a lot of leadership training. Agent Orange's management style, such as it is, is the antithesis of what is being taught. Rather, he is an example of a toxic leader.So I think I'm agreeing with you. A good business leader could be a good president. What we have now is neither.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I know. It just sort of reminded me of the common slogan “government should run like a business.” So I kinda addressed your point but also went beyond. There is a connection, though, in that I happen to think accomplished businesspeople are as likely to be awful as accomplished career politicians.cincybearcat said:I didn’t say government should run like a business. Sheesh people read whatever they want to into stuff.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Instilling confidence every step of the way. It’ll take Team Trump Treason a week, maybe two, to read it. But he’s holding out hope for pictures, lots and lots of pictures.
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A good leader in a field outside of politics can make a good president. A good leader in business would have a harder time being a good president because a lot doesn’t carry over into government.curmudgeoness said:cincybearcat said:
I hear this often. I tend to disagree as leadership translates.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor is “government” like “business.” Two completely different animals. Being successful in one does not, and rarely does, translate into success in the other.cincybearcat said:
Not all of them. But there are lots of very intelligent great leaders in industry. It would be refreshing to see that, the best versions of that, playing out in our government where it fits. The biggest difference in my mind is it doesn’t appear that government (congress especially) has any sense of urgency. They never really have deadlines. This could be better.Gern Blansten said:
Yeah and a businessperson isn't anything special. They aren't any better at politics than anyone else. The Exxon guy was a total dud.cincybearcat said:
I'm really quite bummed that we finally got a "business person" who was not a career politician in a high office and this is the one we chose. He is not a true business person (Daddy's $ and no board or shareholders to hold him accountable) and he is slimier and more of a liar than the career politicians...which is really hard to do.Gern Blansten said:I can't get over what a piece of shit tRump is. Just a disgusting human being. How anyone can support this piece of shit blows my mind.
But my biggest annoyance is many will think business people are all just like trump. They aren’t...not at all.
Oh and this doesn’t actually address my point. My point wasn’t that all business people are better than politicians. Just that I’m pissed that this fake business person may have ruined it for others who could actually do a good job.I would agree that leadership skills are transferable. Two issues in the particular case of Agent Orange: 1) He knows nothing -- nothing at all -- about our laws, our Constitution, and how government works. A good business leader could be a good president, assuming they had bothered to learn anything about the government and how it works. This guy couldn't be bothered. 2) He's not a good leader. My husband has, over the course of his career, received a lot of leadership training. Agent Orange's management style, such as it is, is the antithesis of what is being taught. Rather, he is an example of a toxic leader.So I think I'm agreeing with you. A good business leader could be a good president. What we have now is neither.0 -
Do I wear my Insane Clown Posse hockey jersey or Trump football jersey to the Catalina wine mixer?PJ_Soul said:
I don't even want to imagine how big a fucking douchebag someone would have to be to walk around with this on, lol.Meltdown99 said:
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A torturous republican cultural relevancy dilemma.Jason P said:
Do I wear my Insane Clown Posse hockey jersey or Trump football jersey to the Catalina wine mixer?PJ_Soul said:
I don't even want to imagine how big a fucking douchebag someone would have to be to walk around with this on, lol.Meltdown99 said:
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