Why does Pearl Jam totally disregard Binaural?

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  • wnh1977 said:
    rummy said:
    I know mega-fans at the Binaural show in Toronto 2016 would disagree but, trying to speak objectively, the crowd was pretty subdued during its performance. The energy picked up afterwards.
    Exactly.  It's hard for me to selfishly enjoy it when 9,000 fans are waiting for a hit!
    But they d on't need to play 10 Binaural songs in order to play Binaural songs...

    I find it weird that rockers like Grievance, God's Dice and Insignificance "disappeared".
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  • PB11041
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    mrussel1 said:
    PB11041 said:
    There is a ton to unpack here, but I think one of the things overlooked is that they do not tour the way they did in 1998 (62 shows) 2000 (75 shows) 2003 (73 shows - not including the late 2002 Seattle shows which are very much a warm up for this whole tour)  2006 (72 shows even though only half were in the US - also doesn't include the Hawaii shows)

    1998 arguably would have been larger had they been quicker to the ceding to TicketOverlord.

    Each of those tours saw the main record they were promoting lead the way.  After which a few songs held a semi-main rotation, and so on.

    For me personally, if I went to a show and never heard Jeremy or Betterman again, I'd lose no sleep, but I get that for other fans it is a big part of their night.    So as much as I am a bring on the Binaural or what have you, as an example last nights show had a few odd flow points where the crowd just kind of fell out -  Arms Aloft (though I was happy to catch it for my first time) Can't Deny Me (again, happy to have caught it first time) and Comatose (hadn't caught that since 2006).  

    The building last night was pretty hard wired for Ten and Vs.  - I am sure that beyond the freaks (happily in this crew, not knocking it) it went over a lot of heads that they attempted the original lyrics to Immortality played at back to back 1994 Boston shows. 

    If they did an entire tour and only played tracks from Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, Binaural, whereas I'd be bonkers, I imagine a healthy portion of the crowd would leave scratching their melon.







    Wait, they attempted to play the original pre-Cobain death lyrics last night??
    Wasn't an attempt.  Ed blended the lyrics he had used on 4.11 and 4.12 1994.  In any event those being "pre-Cobain" are sketchy.  Kurt Cobain was known deceased the time this song was played live. Whether the lyrics had nothing to do with that pre the final Vitalogy cut (which seems most likely) or just partially (because his life and mental state was clearly in the balance most of late March and early April, and everyone in that community was keenly aware of it) is really a coin flip of speculation.  It is certainly impossible to see the line - scrawl dissolved cigar box on the floor - as just a happenstance of creative writing process.  
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  • jdopj
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    mrussel1 said:
    PB11041 said:
    There is a ton to unpack here, but I think one of the things overlooked is that they do not tour the way they did in 1998 (62 shows) 2000 (75 shows) 2003 (73 shows - not including the late 2002 Seattle shows which are very much a warm up for this whole tour)  2006 (72 shows even though only half were in the US - also doesn't include the Hawaii shows)

    1998 arguably would have been larger had they been quicker to the ceding to TicketOverlord.

    Each of those tours saw the main record they were promoting lead the way.  After which a few songs held a semi-main rotation, and so on.

    For me personally, if I went to a show and never heard Jeremy or Betterman again, I'd lose no sleep, but I get that for other fans it is a big part of their night.    So as much as I am a bring on the Binaural or what have you, as an example last nights show had a few odd flow points where the crowd just kind of fell out -  Arms Aloft (though I was happy to catch it for my first time) Can't Deny Me (again, happy to have caught it first time) and Comatose (hadn't caught that since 2006).  

    The building last night was pretty hard wired for Ten and Vs.  - I am sure that beyond the freaks (happily in this crew, not knocking it) it went over a lot of heads that they attempted the original lyrics to Immortality played at back to back 1994 Boston shows. 

    If they did an entire tour and only played tracks from Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, Binaural, whereas I'd be bonkers, I imagine a healthy portion of the crowd would leave scratching their melon.







    Wait, they attempted to play the original pre-Cobain death lyrics last night??
    Yes. He nailed it. It was awesome.

  • jdopj
    jdopj Posts: 772
    edited September 2018
    Out of 61 songs in Boston they played 0 Binaural songs.
    No one is expecting them to play full albums but you can’t switch out some covers for a few from Binaural?
    i don’t get the hard to sing reasoning either....Comatose, Blood, Lukin and Life Wasted were played and Ed struggles with those.

  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,140
    Play Rival you pussies
  • Glad to see this thread has legs. All I want is binaural so much ;)
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  • jdopj said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PB11041 said:
    There is a ton to unpack here, but I think one of the things overlooked is that they do not tour the way they did in 1998 (62 shows) 2000 (75 shows) 2003 (73 shows - not including the late 2002 Seattle shows which are very much a warm up for this whole tour)  2006 (72 shows even though only half were in the US - also doesn't include the Hawaii shows)

    1998 arguably would have been larger had they been quicker to the ceding to TicketOverlord.

    Each of those tours saw the main record they were promoting lead the way.  After which a few songs held a semi-main rotation, and so on.

    For me personally, if I went to a show and never heard Jeremy or Betterman again, I'd lose no sleep, but I get that for other fans it is a big part of their night.    So as much as I am a bring on the Binaural or what have you, as an example last nights show had a few odd flow points where the crowd just kind of fell out -  Arms Aloft (though I was happy to catch it for my first time) Can't Deny Me (again, happy to have caught it first time) and Comatose (hadn't caught that since 2006).  

    The building last night was pretty hard wired for Ten and Vs.  - I am sure that beyond the freaks (happily in this crew, not knocking it) it went over a lot of heads that they attempted the original lyrics to Immortality played at back to back 1994 Boston shows. 

    If they did an entire tour and only played tracks from Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, Binaural, whereas I'd be bonkers, I imagine a healthy portion of the crowd would leave scratching their melon.







    Wait, they attempted to play the original pre-Cobain death lyrics last night??
    Yes. He nailed it. It was awesome.

    It truly was.  Nearly brought me to tears.  Just unbelievable.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    wnh1977 said:
    rummy said:
    I know mega-fans at the Binaural show in Toronto 2016 would disagree but, trying to speak objectively, the crowd was pretty subdued during its performance. The energy picked up afterwards.
    Exactly.  It's hard for me to selfishly enjoy it when 9,000 fans are waiting for a hit!
    But they d on't need to play 10 Binaural songs in order to play Binaural songs...

    I find it weird that rockers like Grievance, God's Dice and Insignificance "disappeared".
    Exactly....I'm not asking for the whole album.  And you can't tell me that if you insert either of those three in the mix the crowd will fall asleep.
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  • PJNB
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    Those that think they do not play Binaural as much because they have the casual fan in mind when making the setlist I will use Binaural and swap out some songs from Fenway night 2. Thinking as a casual fan do you think this makes the show better or worse? I also added one extra song in the first encore. I would have liked to add Of the Girl and NAIS but felt that they did not fit this set imo. 

    01. Given To Fly
    02. Animal
    03. Save You
    04. Grievance (Arms Aloft)
    05. Lightning Bolt
    06. Red Mosquito 
    07. I Am Mine
    08. U
    09. Even Flow
    10. Immortality II 
    11. Insignificance (Taillights Fade)
    12. Not For You
    13. Nothingman
    14. Light Years (Can’t Deny Me) 
    15. Jeremy 
    16. Better Man 
    17. Porch 

    Encore Break

    18. Thumbing My Way
    19. Parting Ways (added song)
    20. Imagine ( I personally would change this one out but get that most fans would probably enjoy it)
    21. Crazy Mary
    22. Breakerfall (Comatose) 
    23. Go
    24. Rearviewmirror

    Encore Break Two

    25. Smile
    26. Wasted Reprise 
    27. Life Wasted
    28. Dirty Water
    29. Alive
    30. Baba O’Riley
    31. Yellow Ledbetter/Star Spangled Banner

  • aurelgugus
    aurelgugus France & Luxembourg Posts: 499
    I was a casual fan until 2014 as I only listened to the first three albums at the time.
    I started to appreciate songs from Binaural after seeing the band played several tracks during the 2014 European tour.
    IMO Binaural songs are definitely better than covers in a setlist for casual fans. And it’s the same for Riot Act and Avocado.
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  • kid canada
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    cwja said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    cwja said:
    rummy said:
    I know mega-fans at the Binaural show in Toronto 2016 would disagree but, trying to speak objectively, the crowd was pretty subdued during its performance. The energy picked up afterwards.

    Pretty subdued is an understatement. Personally I’d choose a great set over a great crowd though. Especially in North America. If you’re looking to pay money to watch a crowd, go to Argentina.
    Disagree completely.  You need a balance. Newark 2010 has a fantastic set list but the crowd absolutely sucked which equated to a pretty bad show. Hartford 2010 wasn’t the greatest setlist but my god the crowd!  That show is still one of my favorites.  

    It’s admittedly all based on personal tastes. For example, I was at the Ten and Binaural shows that year. Philly crowd was insane for the Ten show, Toronto crowd was dead for the Binaural show. I’d still take the Binaural show, sounds like you’d prefer the Ten. Just different, not better or worse, preferences.
    I was at the Binaural show with a friend who is a PJ fan but not a diehard by any means. When God's Dice came on after Breakerfall I knew what was about to happen and was pretty stoked - but for my friend, the next hour or so was a stretch of songs she didn't know or at best barely knew, and other than Grievance and maybe Insignificance none of them are fast-paced rock songs. So she was really bummed for that entire stretch. Then they played Corduroy/Once/RVM to close the set, first encore had Even Flow, Better Man and Porch and the second encore was Small Town/GTF/SOLAT/Black/Real Me/Alive/RITFW and she had the time of her life.  


    How does your friend feel about Binaural now after time to reflect? Does she enjoy it or does she not really pay it much attention?

    Just wondered. I would guess at the time she wasn't into it because she didn't know it. But after seeing PJ live, I always MUST get a copy of the show. If she did, she probably listened to it a lot, then gained a deeper appreciation for what she was there to witness.
    I don't think she will ever really be into Binaural - it's not as though she *hated* it, for her it was just a lot of slow-ish songs that she didn't know.
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  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    I was a casual fan until 2014 as I only listened to the first three albums at the time.
    I started to appreciate songs from Binaural after seeing the band played several tracks during the 2014 European tour.
    IMO Binaural songs are definitely better than covers in a setlist for casual fans. And it’s the same for Riot Act and Avocado.
    I agree. No matter what, a PJ original always beats a cover.
  • Might fall into songs that are too complicated to play. Several band members have mentioned liking the easier songs to play somewhere, sometime.
    No way....I play guitar.  None of those songs are anymore difficult to play than RVM, GTF, etc.
    Simple could also mean song structure. RVM is a very simple song structure, with very simple timing,  where as Grievance is not. There’s zero chance anyone in the band (aside from maybe Eddie) would struggle with the playing of any song in their catalogue, but structurally a song with odd timing or strange punctuations might just not be as fun to play.
    Trust me... That's not why. Practice it twice and it's done. 

    Yeah, these folks are pros.  And the songs I think Stone was referring to as being more difficult to play live are from the earlier albums like Ten and Vs. 
  • Get_Right said:
    Play Rival you pussies
    Yes, I need this one so bad.  It's just tough when it's only been played 22 times and only 4 times in the last 15 years.  That shouldn't happen, it's not Evil Little Goat or Brother or some other rare track, it's track 10 on their 6th album.

    I also can't see the "Dark times for them" argument.  Many of their songs are from tough/dark times.  Like Long Road, etc, but they still get love and status in the set list.

    I could hear NAIS, Of The Girl & Parting Ways at every show.  They are huge HITS to me.  If I was guaranteed to get Binaural in its entirety, I would do everything possible to be at that show.
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  • Ray J. T.
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    Get_Right said:
    Play Rival you pussies
    Yes, I need this one so bad.  It's just tough when it's only been played 22 times and only 4 times in the last 15 years.  That shouldn't happen, it's not Evil Little Goat or Brother or some other rare track, it's track 10 on their 6th album.

    I also can't see the "Dark times for them" argument.  Many of their songs are from tough/dark times.  Like Long Road, etc, but they still get love and status in the set list.

    I could hear NAIS, Of The Girl & Parting Ways at every show.  They are huge HITS to me.  If I was guaranteed to get Binaural in its entirety, I would do everything possible to be at that show.
    Same here. Easily one of my favorite albums in their catalogue. Would love to hear Rival myself. Closest I came to having this track was in Miami 2016 and it was scratched! They replaced it with a request from some fans on the rail wanting Tremor Christ which is also a phenomenal track, but Rival would had been amazing. Damn I would love a full Binaural show. 
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  • mrussel1
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    rummy said:
    I was a casual fan until 2014 as I only listened to the first three albums at the time.
    I started to appreciate songs from Binaural after seeing the band played several tracks during the 2014 European tour.
    IMO Binaural songs are definitely better than covers in a setlist for casual fans. And it’s the same for Riot Act and Avocado.
    I agree. No matter what, a PJ original always beats a cover.
    You'd rather hear Swallowed Whole over Baba at the encore?
  • mrussel1 said:
    rummy said:
    I was a casual fan until 2014 as I only listened to the first three albums at the time.
    I started to appreciate songs from Binaural after seeing the band played several tracks during the 2014 European tour.
    IMO Binaural songs are definitely better than covers in a setlist for casual fans. And it’s the same for Riot Act and Avocado.
    I agree. No matter what, a PJ original always beats a cover.
    You'd rather hear Swallowed Whole over Baba at the encore?

    I don't really ever want to hear Swallowed Whole at a concert. 
  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    rummy said:
    I was a casual fan until 2014 as I only listened to the first three albums at the time.
    I started to appreciate songs from Binaural after seeing the band played several tracks during the 2014 European tour.
    IMO Binaural songs are definitely better than covers in a setlist for casual fans. And it’s the same for Riot Act and Avocado.
    I agree. No matter what, a PJ original always beats a cover.
    You'd rather hear Swallowed Whole over Baba at the encore?

    I don't really ever want to hear Swallowed Whole at a concert. 
    I've heard it several times, alas.  I attended too many shows in 13 and 16 evidently.   The worst was when he would put STBC and then Let the Records Play back to back.  I don't like either song.  
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,298
    mrussel1 said:
    rummy said:
    I was a casual fan until 2014 as I only listened to the first three albums at the time.
    I started to appreciate songs from Binaural after seeing the band played several tracks during the 2014 European tour.
    IMO Binaural songs are definitely better than covers in a setlist for casual fans. And it’s the same for Riot Act and Avocado.
    I agree. No matter what, a PJ original always beats a cover.
    You'd rather hear Swallowed Whole over Baba at the encore?
    Yes....
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