Why does Pearl Jam totally disregard Binaural?

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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Brisk. said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I mean shit, Evacuation comes to mind. Weird tuning, time shifts and a vocal stretch that might not be Ed friendly. They've botched the shit out of it the last handful of times they've tried playing it.
    The bridge in Evacuation is so good! It's a great song, also one written by Matty :-)
    Not disagreeing at all. Those two records back to back are out of this world. Who knows why, point is we all agree they should NOT be ignoring these records!!
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,881
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I mean shit, Evacuation comes to mind. Weird tuning, time shifts and a vocal stretch that might not be Ed friendly. They've botched the shit out of it the last handful of times they've tried playing it.
    They are professionals....all it takes is a few practice runs....like a sound check?  Similar to the sound check of Army Reserve that I listened to the other night.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Torontonian
    Torontonian Posts: 562
    I loved hearing all of Binaural in my home town May 10, 2016!
  • Brisk.
    Brisk. Posts: 11,581
    willbarclay said:

    Binaural is probably just too awesome, therefore it is untouchable.


    Hahaha!
  • wnh1977
    wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 651
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I mean shit, Evacuation comes to mind. Weird tuning, time shifts and a vocal stretch that might not be Ed friendly. They've botched the shit out of it the last handful of times they've tried playing it.
    Agreed.  I've seen that get butchered live plenty.  "Gods' Dice" as well, mostly lyrics, but I've seen the whole thing just collapse (Toronto 2011, maybe?).  Getting an average tune to begin with, then seeing it get butchered, ugh.
    1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
    2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
    2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
    2005: 9/9, 9/28
    2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
    2007: 8/5
    2009: 8/23, 8/24
    2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
    2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
    2013: 7/19, 11/16
    2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
    2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
    2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
    2022: 9/18
    2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
    2024: 5/18, 6/29
  • rummy
    rummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    I know mega-fans at the Binaural show in Toronto 2016 would disagree but, trying to speak objectively, the crowd was pretty subdued during its performance. The energy picked up afterwards.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Gern Blansten said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I mean shit, Evacuation comes to mind. Weird tuning, time shifts and a vocal stretch that might not be Ed friendly. They've botched the shit out of it the last handful of times they've tried playing it.
    They are professionals....all it takes is a few practice runs....like a sound check?  Similar to the sound check of Army Reserve that I listened to the other night.
    What's your take on why then?
    www.cluthelee.com
  • wnh1977
    wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 651
    rummy said:
    I know mega-fans at the Binaural show in Toronto 2016 would disagree but, trying to speak objectively, the crowd was pretty subdued during its performance. The energy picked up afterwards.
    Exactly.  It's hard for me to selfishly enjoy it when 9,000 fans are waiting for a hit!
    1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
    2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
    2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
    2005: 9/9, 9/28
    2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
    2007: 8/5
    2009: 8/23, 8/24
    2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
    2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
    2013: 7/19, 11/16
    2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
    2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
    2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
    2022: 9/18
    2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
    2024: 5/18, 6/29
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Another thought is that those records weren't as 'popular' so they stay with material that is mostly familiar even to the casual fan.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,881
    wnh1977 said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I mean shit, Evacuation comes to mind. Weird tuning, time shifts and a vocal stretch that might not be Ed friendly. They've botched the shit out of it the last handful of times they've tried playing it.
    Agreed.  I've seen that get butchered live plenty.  "Gods' Dice" as well, mostly lyrics, but I've seen the whole thing just collapse (Toronto 2011, maybe?).  Getting an average tune to begin with, then seeing it get butchered, ugh.
    Yet they play Hail Hail....which is basically the same tune.  It's all about practice.  If a song needs practice you figure it out during a sound check.  Or in the lounge before you take the stage.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,881
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I mean shit, Evacuation comes to mind. Weird tuning, time shifts and a vocal stretch that might not be Ed friendly. They've botched the shit out of it the last handful of times they've tried playing it.
    They are professionals....all it takes is a few practice runs....like a sound check?  Similar to the sound check of Army Reserve that I listened to the other night.
    What's your take on why then?
    Unfortunately I think they are playing to the casual fan.  
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Gern Blansten said:
    wnh1977 said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I mean shit, Evacuation comes to mind. Weird tuning, time shifts and a vocal stretch that might not be Ed friendly. They've botched the shit out of it the last handful of times they've tried playing it.
    Agreed.  I've seen that get butchered live plenty.  "Gods' Dice" as well, mostly lyrics, but I've seen the whole thing just collapse (Toronto 2011, maybe?).  Getting an average tune to begin with, then seeing it get butchered, ugh.
    Yet they play Hail Hail....which is basically the same tune.  It's all about practice.  If a song needs practice you figure it out during a sound check.  Or in the lounge before you take the stage.
    I don't think anyone would disagree with you about what it would take for them to rehearse the songs.
    www.cluthelee.com
  • cwja
    cwja Posts: 143
    rummy said:
    I know mega-fans at the Binaural show in Toronto 2016 would disagree but, trying to speak objectively, the crowd was pretty subdued during its performance. The energy picked up afterwards.

    Pretty subdued is an understatement. Personally I’d choose a great set over a great crowd though. Especially in North America. If you’re looking to pay money to watch a crowd, go to Argentina.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Gern Blansten said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I mean shit, Evacuation comes to mind. Weird tuning, time shifts and a vocal stretch that might not be Ed friendly. They've botched the shit out of it the last handful of times they've tried playing it.
    They are professionals....all it takes is a few practice runs....like a sound check?  Similar to the sound check of Army Reserve that I listened to the other night.
    What's your take on why then?
    Unfortunately I think they are playing to the casual fan.  
    How did the 16' stadium shows stack up with RA and Binaural? Maybe they ignored them largely because Ed has said he looks at what was played last time (no clue if this is still a consideration in how he writes set lists currently)?
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,238
    cwja said:
    rummy said:
    I know mega-fans at the Binaural show in Toronto 2016 would disagree but, trying to speak objectively, the crowd was pretty subdued during its performance. The energy picked up afterwards.

    Pretty subdued is an understatement. Personally I’d choose a great set over a great crowd though. Especially in North America. If you’re looking to pay money to watch a crowd, go to Argentina.
    Disagree completely.  You need a balance. Newark 2010 has a fantastic set list but the crowd absolutely sucked which equated to a pretty bad show. Hartford 2010 wasn’t the greatest setlist but my god the crowd!  That show is still one of my favorites.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Ray J. T.
    Ray J. T. Posts: 4,131
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Another thought is that those records weren't as 'popular' so they stay with material that is mostly familiar even to the casual fan.
    How is Binaural not on more of the fans radar? The casual fan needs to pick this album up ASAP. One of the best albums in their catalogue. I would love to see a Binaural tour in the future like how U2 just recently did a Joshua Tree tour covering the album. More Binaural love please. Top 3 favorite album for me easily. 
  • Tristelune
    Tristelune Posts: 318
    Matt likes complex patterns actually. Parting ways, of the girl and Thin air are simple songs and could be played more often easily. Insignificance has been a bit forgotten lately but it’s tougher, especially on the vocal side. I don’t think it’s based on individual technicity but songs like gods dice, breakerfall, evacuation, or insignificance require a certain level of focus from the band while being vocally demanding.

  • bobby dazzlers
    bobby dazzlers Posts: 2,040
    yosi said:
    Agreed. I also don't love that cover songs are the second most represented songs...
    Thats why the QC show was tops!
    Less filler, more killer!   :D
    That I no longer give a fuck
    Who is wrong and who’s right
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,881
    cwja said:
    rummy said:
    I know mega-fans at the Binaural show in Toronto 2016 would disagree but, trying to speak objectively, the crowd was pretty subdued during its performance. The energy picked up afterwards.

    Pretty subdued is an understatement. Personally I’d choose a great set over a great crowd though. Especially in North America. If you’re looking to pay money to watch a crowd, go to Argentina.
    Me too....as a musician I would rather destroy the place with Insignificance vs playing U or RITFW
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • wnh1977
    wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 651
    Gern Blansten said:
    wnh1977 said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I mean shit, Evacuation comes to mind. Weird tuning, time shifts and a vocal stretch that might not be Ed friendly. They've botched the shit out of it the last handful of times they've tried playing it.
    Agreed.  I've seen that get butchered live plenty.  "Gods' Dice" as well, mostly lyrics, but I've seen the whole thing just collapse (Toronto 2011, maybe?).  Getting an average tune to begin with, then seeing it get butchered, ugh.
    Yet they play Hail Hail....which is basically the same tune.  It's all about practice.  If a song needs practice you figure it out during a sound check.  Or in the lounge before you take the stage.
    "Hail, Hail", for me, is WAYYYY better than "Evacuation" or "Gods' Dice".
    1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
    2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
    2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
    2005: 9/9, 9/28
    2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
    2007: 8/5
    2009: 8/23, 8/24
    2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
    2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
    2013: 7/19, 11/16
    2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
    2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
    2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
    2022: 9/18
    2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
    2024: 5/18, 6/29

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