Donald Trump

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Because when I think of a person or organization fucking things up and I want to express my concern for same, I immediately think of “monkeying up.” Particularly if the one fucking things up is a white guy. The guy wants to be governor of the state for crying out loud. Team Trump Treason’s ethos has really trickled down.

no, it hasn't. I just don't happen to accuse everyone of one political persuasion a racist/misogynist/bigot/etc. 

it’s not done in a vacuum. Team Trump Treason and his administration is pretty openly racist. But hey, to each their own. From Team Trump Treason’s tweet regarding “socialists” to the repube governor candidate using “monkey up” with “socialist,” it’s pretty clear to me the comparison being made. He didn’t use any one of the following, “screw this up,” “fuck this up,” “F this up,” “mess this up,” or, “blow this up.” He said, “monkey this up.” Why do you think that was? When referencing the first black democrat candidate for governor of Florida?

I can't claim to know for sure. But you go ahead and assume the worst. 

Yeah, but dude, you need to acknowledge he was talking specifically about voting for his opponent, a   black dude.

I am making zero assumptions in stating the GOP nominee for FL gov used a racially sensitive word regarding a topic directly related to a black man



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/comparing-black-people-to_b_9345322.html

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Because when I think of a person or organization fucking things up and I want to express my concern for same, I immediately think of “monkeying up.” Particularly if the one fucking things up is a white guy. The guy wants to be governor of the state for crying out loud. Team Trump Treason’s ethos has really trickled down.

no, it hasn't. I just don't happen to accuse everyone of one political persuasion a racist/misogynist/bigot/etc. 

it’s not done in a vacuum. Team Trump Treason and his administration is pretty openly racist. But hey, to each their own. From Team Trump Treason’s tweet regarding “socialists” to the repube governor candidate using “monkey up” with “socialist,” it’s pretty clear to me the comparison being made. He didn’t use any one of the following, “screw this up,” “fuck this up,” “F this up,” “mess this up,” or, “blow this up.” He said, “monkey this up.” Why do you think that was? When referencing the first black democrat candidate for governor of Florida?

I can't claim to know for sure. But you go ahead and assume the worst. 

Yeah, but dude, you need to acknowledge he was talking specifically about voting for his opponent, a   black dude.

I am making zero assumptions in stating the GOP nominee for FL gov used a racially sensitive word regarding a topic directly related to a black man



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/comparing-black-people-to_b_9345322.html

I acknowledge that fully and completely. what few others are acknowleding is that the phrase can be used in a different context. he also didn't compare black people to monkeys. he wasn't even speaking directly about his opponent. he was speaking to his platform and how those policies can severely damage the state. believe me, before I commented I made sure to read and re-read the direct quote. maybe others should too. 

Except with all the various ways he could have expressed his point, he chose “monkey up.”

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Because when I think of a person or organization fucking things up and I want to express my concern for same, I immediately think of “monkeying up.” Particularly if the one fucking things up is a white guy. The guy wants to be governor of the state for crying out loud. Team Trump Treason’s ethos has really trickled down.

no, it hasn't. I just don't happen to accuse everyone of one political persuasion a racist/misogynist/bigot/etc. 

it’s not done in a vacuum. Team Trump Treason and his administration is pretty openly racist. But hey, to each their own. From Team Trump Treason’s tweet regarding “socialists” to the repube governor candidate using “monkey up” with “socialist,” it’s pretty clear to me the comparison being made. He didn’t use any one of the following, “screw this up,” “fuck this up,” “F this up,” “mess this up,” or, “blow this up.” He said, “monkey this up.” Why do you think that was? When referencing the first black democrat candidate for governor of Florida?

I can't claim to know for sure. But you go ahead and assume the worst. 

Yeah, but dude, you need to acknowledge he was talking specifically about voting for his opponent, a   black dude.

I am making zero assumptions in stating the GOP nominee for FL gov used a racially sensitive word regarding a topic directly related to a black man



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/comparing-black-people-to_b_9345322.html

I acknowledge that fully and completely. what few others are acknowleding is that the phrase can be used in a different context. he also didn't compare black people to monkeys. he wasn't even speaking directly about his opponent. he was speaking to his platform and how those policies can severely damage the state. believe me, before I commented I made sure to read and re-read the direct quote. maybe others should too. 

Except with all the various ways he could have expressed his point, he chose “monkey up.”

The Juggler said:

People play the racism card a lot these days (much of it is indeed warranted, btw), so it make sense to be a little skeptical like Hugh is here. 

But in this case, I think it's pretty obvious what's going on.

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

People play the racism card a lot these days (much of it is indeed warranted, btw), so it make sense to be a little skeptical like Hugh is here. 

But in this case, I think it's pretty obvious what's going on.

Do you? I don't. Maybe I'm being naive, but why in the world would this guy do such a thing? There is literally NO benefit for him, and the harm it would cause would be predictable. I'm not saying it's impossible ... i just don't have any reason to assume it was racist, with the info I have.

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

I will have to side with Juggler and Hailifax on this one...

I myself use the phrase little monkey, but I'm referring to my dog...she acts like a little monkey sometimes.

I still don't get it. I have no clue why any of you are just assuming it was a racial slur. 100 people could come and say the same thing, and I still wouldn't get why that's the immediate assumption, all things considered.

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Because when I think of a person or organization fucking things up and I want to express my concern for same, I immediately think of “monkeying up.” Particularly if the one fucking things up is a white guy. The guy wants to be governor of the state for crying out loud. Team Trump Treason’s ethos has really trickled down.

no, it hasn't. I just don't happen to accuse everyone of one political persuasion a racist/misogynist/bigot/etc. 

it’s not done in a vacuum. Team Trump Treason and his administration is pretty openly racist. But hey, to each their own. From Team Trump Treason’s tweet regarding “socialists” to the repube governor candidate using “monkey up” with “socialist,” it’s pretty clear to me the comparison being made. He didn’t use any one of the following, “screw this up,” “fuck this up,” “F this up,” “mess this up,” or, “blow this up.” He said, “monkey this up.” Why do you think that was? When referencing the first black democrat candidate for governor of Florida?

I can't claim to know for sure. But you go ahead and assume the worst. 

Yeah, but dude, you need to acknowledge he was talking specifically about voting for his opponent, a   black dude.

I am making zero assumptions in stating the GOP nominee for FL gov used a racially sensitive word regarding a topic directly related to a black man



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/comparing-black-people-to_b_9345322.html

I acknowledge that fully and completely. what few others are acknowleding is that the phrase can be used in a different context. he also didn't compare black people to monkeys. he wasn't even speaking directly about his opponent. he was speaking to his platform and how those policies can severely damage the state. believe me, before I commented I made sure to read and re-read the direct quote. maybe others should too. 

Except with all the various ways he could have expressed his point, he chose “monkey up.”

That really means nothing. Maybe it's a really common phrase for him. Until I have a real reason to think it was a deliberate slur (and come on... why in the hell would he do that??), I'm going to assume it was just a random phrase that he uses.

A really common phrase for a racist. In all of the years I’ve been on this planet, in all different locations and situations, and around a whole slew of different people with all kinds of different backgrounds, including southern racists, not once have I heard the phrase, “monkey up,” used to relate to making a mess of things, and particularly not used in reference to a black man.

#bebetter

I completely disagree, and while it's not a common term, it doesn't strike me as very unusual either. It's just too close to "monkeying around" for it to be that weird. I think you're taking the term and running in wild directions with it... hey, almost like a monkey, lol. At all. In any case, isn't it prudent to err on the side of caution when accusing someone of such an act, when you are going on nothing but pure conjecture and the fact that you happen to think "monkeying up" something is a weird term?? Again, anything's possible, but given the fact that saying such a thing as a racial slur only serves to predictably hurt this guy, I think it makes more sense to give him the benefit of the doubt until there is a real reason not to, i.e. a history of throwing out random, sideways, subtle racial slurs like that. Honestly, what you think happened seems like the most unrealistic possibility. Not impossible, but unlikely...... But hey, if you're right, that is some really sly pathological racism the likes of which I've never actually encountered.

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Because when I think of a person or organization fucking things up and I want to express my concern for same, I immediately think of “monkeying up.” Particularly if the one fucking things up is a white guy. The guy wants to be governor of the state for crying out loud. Team Trump Treason’s ethos has really trickled down.

no, it hasn't. I just don't happen to accuse everyone of one political persuasion a racist/misogynist/bigot/etc. 

it’s not done in a vacuum. Team Trump Treason and his administration is pretty openly racist. But hey, to each their own. From Team Trump Treason’s tweet regarding “socialists” to the repube governor candidate using “monkey up” with “socialist,” it’s pretty clear to me the comparison being made. He didn’t use any one of the following, “screw this up,” “fuck this up,” “F this up,” “mess this up,” or, “blow this up.” He said, “monkey this up.” Why do you think that was? When referencing the first black democrat candidate for governor of Florida?

I can't claim to know for sure. But you go ahead and assume the worst. 

Yeah, but dude, you need to acknowledge he was talking specifically about voting for his opponent, a   black dude.

I am making zero assumptions in stating the GOP nominee for FL gov used a racially sensitive word regarding a topic directly related to a black man



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/comparing-black-people-to_b_9345322.html

I acknowledge that fully and completely. what few others are acknowleding is that the phrase can be used in a different context. he also didn't compare black people to monkeys. he wasn't even speaking directly about his opponent. he was speaking to his platform and how those policies can severely damage the state. believe me, before I commented I made sure to read and re-read the direct quote. maybe others should too. 

Except with all the various ways he could have expressed his point, he chose “monkey up.”

That really means nothing. Maybe it's a really common phrase for him. Until I have a real reason to think it was a deliberate slur (and come on... why in the hell would he do that??), I'm going to assume it was just a random phrase that he uses.

A really common phrase for a racist. In all of the years I’ve been on this planet, in all different locations and situations, and around a whole slew of different people with all kinds of different backgrounds, including southern racists, not once have I heard the phrase, “monkey up,” used to relate to making a mess of things, and particularly not used in reference to a black man.

#bebetter

I completely disagree, and while it's not a common term, it doesn't strike me as very unusual either. It's just too close to "monkeying around" for it to be that weird. I think you're taking the term and running in wild directions with it... hey, almost like a monkey, lol. At all. In any case, isn't it prudent to err on the side of caution when accusing someone of such an act, when you are going on nothing but pure conjecture and the fact that you happen to think "monkeying up" something is a weird term?? Again, anything's possible, but given the fact that saying such a thing as a racial slur only serves to predictably hurt this guy, I think it makes more sense to give him the benefit of the doubt until there is a real reason not to, i.e. a history of throwing out random, sideways, subtle racial slurs like that. Honestly, what you think happened seems like the most unrealistic possibility. Not impossible, but unlikely...... But hey, if you're right, that is some really sly pathological racism the likes of which I've never actually encountered.

Faux News felt it necessary to qualify his statement. Referencing monkeys or apes to black people has a long sordid history.

Later in the hour, the Fox News anchor read the DeSantis camp statement and felt the need to address his remarks, saying “We do not condone this language and wanted to make our viewers aware that he has since clarified his statement.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/desantis-floridians-monkey-electing-african-american-democrat-governor/story?id=57476957

And its called a dog whistle.