Trade gone south...

mookieblalock said:

Backspacer came in a bag seal. This was standard.

lastexitlondon said:

Mine came in a bag also the white vinyl 

Yeah people keep saying that so this is the last time I will say I understand that it's very possible it's just something I've never seen before but that isn't the main issue here that's just one small part of it. Also all 3 of the records arrived in bags even the shrink wrapped coke bottle ten. Which is why I was confused. Like I have said multiple times I cannot understand the deep scratches, finger prints, and spine wear, on the backspacer that I saw in taking it out of the bag. But again as I keep saying this is just one part of the issue and I'm not going to repeat it again.

mlrega said:

Cool....

It is I... the demon trader.  
There are lessons learned all around.  Yes....I should have added additional insurance...my bad.  Second, don't try to help out a new trader who says they don't have record mailers by saying you can use the one you send.  I mailed the records in the same box vault 4 came in, with an additional record mailer inside for stability, then wrapped them in additional plastic in case they got wet somehow.  They were properly packaged....better than the vast majority of records you receive in the mail... but no amount of packaging will save something if a mail truck runs it over. 

The Backspacer was sealed.... and now it isn't....  I sent the records we agree to trade... TFlyer didn't.  

I am not a new trader, I have never had an issue like this before. I told you that I didn't have a vinyl specific mailer but I would be sending them in something well packaged with double bubble wrap and as I have stated and have the messages to prove all of this you told me to reuse your mailer. I asked if you were sure you wanted me to do this and you never confirmed. 

THE ONLY REASON I DIDNT SEND ANYTHING IS YOU NEVER CONTACTED ME TELLING ME YOU SENT YOUR ITEMS. You contacted me only 5 days later after yours arrived damaged and got mad that I asked why you didn't bubble wrap them. 


You are getting $50 from the claim that more than covers any cost of what a backspacer is worth. I have said this now to you numerous times. 

You wouldn't even rationally talk to me about me sending your items back to you, you just want my beatles vinyl which is worth hundreds (in the condition it's in) and for me to deal with this mess I recieved. I am not going to engage with you any more.

I should probably say for the record the last message he sent me before I didn't hear from him for 5 days (which he then got nasty at me for trying to get in contact and told me "not all people live on the internet") included this....

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

3 things to do when trading vinyl worth anything-

1-get insurance- it only costs you like 5 bucks max.

2-wrap it in more bubble wrap and cardboard reinforcers than you think is necessary so if shit goes pear shaped you at least have no blame on your packing job.

3-get pics!  People call things near mint that aren’t.  There’s either sealed or open, not both.  People call things VG+ that are garbage.  People tell you there’s “shelf wear” that looks like it got dragged behind a truck.

I always put stuff I am mailing in bubble wrap, I had my vinyl double wrapped ready to go to him. I even wrapped his in bubble wrap to return to him even though it is already damaged...

Dr Emmett Brown said:

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TFlyer said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

3 things to do when trading vinyl worth anything-

1-get insurance- it only costs you like 5 bucks max.

2-wrap it in more bubble wrap and cardboard reinforcers than you think is necessary so if shit goes pear shaped you at least have no blame on your packing job.

3-get pics!  People call things near mint that aren’t.  There’s either sealed or open, not both.  People call things VG+ that are garbage.  People tell you there’s “shelf wear” that looks like it got dragged behind a truck.

I always put stuff I am mailing in bubble wrap, I had my vinyl double wrapped ready to go to him. I even wrapped his in bubble wrap to return to him even though it is already damaged...

I am not going to debate the status of what was or wasn't the condition of the vinyl anymore, the pictures were exactly as I received them and I will always firmly believe that I had every right to return these items to him, and his lack of communication played a big issue in this as did him getting mad at me when I tried to figure out what was going on, if the items had been shipped, and why he wasn't contacting me...

I think RMIIB's post was more aimed towards the other party, at least that's how I read it

I didn't mean to come across to seem like I thought I was being attacked or anything, I just wanted to say that I agree about the bubblewrap and that I did rewrap the records before returning them in bubblewrap even though they were already damaged. I also have extensive photos of the damage to them prior to when they were returned/when I first opened them so hopefully this is the end of it.