Inuk father faces online backlash after sharing photo of beluga harvest

Spiritual_Chaos said:

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rgambs said:

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rgambs said:

I'm not against hunting and fishing, both are part of my own heritage and I still engage in both from time to time.
Whales though...those fuckers might be just as smart as us and they are certainly as loving as us.  I don't like the idea of killing whales and dolphins, it's just not groovy.

Killing any animal - when it is not needed - is not groovy. Shouldn't need tiers on how loving or intelligent they are.

That thar be a slippery slope!
What about the insects that are deliberately murdered on your veggie crops? 

Not a fan of it.

But you accept it.  Why?

In what way do you mean I accept it?

I try to not harm insects either, if  I can help it. I try to by ecologically (maybe you call i organically though?) farmed things as much as possible. 

And in a philosophical sense, I'd say we should try to not harm any other life - if we can help it.

But choosing a vegetarian option for you tomorrow for lunch instead of the slaughtered an murdered cow, or chicken, or fish is a very easy option to make. It's even SUPER EASY. It should be the only sane choice to make in 2018. Any other, shows a severe lack of empathy and thought.

What I mean is that thousands upon thousands of insects die for you to eat vegetables, whether grown organically or not, and you accept it and continue to eat the vegetables.  If no distinction is to be made based on the intelligence and emotional depth of the living creature, then how do you draw the line.  Shouldn't eating plants even be a problem under that ideology?

What do you think?

I think the distinction is relevant.  We are animals too.  Smart ones, sure, but animals nonetheless.
We evolved to consume a large variety of living creatures and I don't think that can be cast aside easily.
On the other hand, we really don't NEED to eat beef for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  I think that starting with the smartest and most emotional animals as "off-limits" is a good way to push societies towards eating less meat over time.  Guilt trips will only entrench the staunch carnivores, they won't make progress.

I also think veganism is silly.  If you really care so much about your food then you should produce your own.  There's nothing wrong with eggs, milk, and cheese if the animals aren't abused.

I have a hard time seeing the relevance of us being "animals too"? So?

I don't see how that could not be cast aside easily -- when it's easily proven it without a problem can be cast aside easily?

I also don't see the point in calling veganism or vegans silly. That way of living harms less living creatures than your diet, destroys the planet less and don't harm anyone. "It's silly to care". I'm trying to eat vegan as much as possible, but would not have a problem eating eggs etc if I had a couple of hens my self.

But, anyways - there is no defendable reason to eat meat in the western world in 2018. The only reasons are lack of empathy, ignorance and gluttony. Shitty people eat meat.

And I don't think we should kill whales if we can avoid it.

I respect your decision and lifestyle.

I don't respect your disdain for those that eat meat (shitty people eat meat). As a meat eater, I can tell you I won't apologize for my existence. We were not born herbivores. If a human has become a herbivore... that is by choice. So congratulations on your personal choice.

I have never understood peoples "we were born..."-argument. It has no bearing other than what... some fatalistic view of what... exactly? 

We as a species can make a choice in 2018 with how far we have come and guided by our empathy.

I have a hard time respecting those who are too ignorant to see that supporting the murder of living beings - when we in no way have to, to move forward - is fucked up. How could you not feel some level of disdain for that.

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

I'm not against hunting and fishing, both are part of my own heritage and I still engage in both from time to time.
Whales though...those fuckers might be just as smart as us and they are certainly as loving as us.  I don't like the idea of killing whales and dolphins, it's just not groovy.

Killing any animal - when it is not needed - is not groovy. Shouldn't need tiers on how loving or intelligent they are.

That thar be a slippery slope!
What about the insects that are deliberately murdered on your veggie crops? 

Not a fan of it.

But you accept it.  Why?

In what way do you mean I accept it?

I try to not harm insects either, if  I can help it. I try to by ecologically (maybe you call i organically though?) farmed things as much as possible. 

And in a philosophical sense, I'd say we should try to not harm any other life - if we can help it.

But choosing a vegetarian option for you tomorrow for lunch instead of the slaughtered an murdered cow, or chicken, or fish is a very easy option to make. It's even SUPER EASY. It should be the only sane choice to make in 2018. Any other, shows a severe lack of empathy and thought.

What I mean is that thousands upon thousands of insects die for you to eat vegetables, whether grown organically or not, and you accept it and continue to eat the vegetables.  If no distinction is to be made based on the intelligence and emotional depth of the living creature, then how do you draw the line.  Shouldn't eating plants even be a problem under that ideology?

What do you think?

I think the distinction is relevant.  We are animals too.  Smart ones, sure, but animals nonetheless.
We evolved to consume a large variety of living creatures and I don't think that can be cast aside easily.
On the other hand, we really don't NEED to eat beef for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  I think that starting with the smartest and most emotional animals as "off-limits" is a good way to push societies towards eating less meat over time.  Guilt trips will only entrench the staunch carnivores, they won't make progress.

I also think veganism is silly.  If you really care so much about your food then you should produce your own.  There's nothing wrong with eggs, milk, and cheese if the animals aren't abused.

I have a hard time seeing the relevance of us being "animals too"? So?

I don't see how that could not be cast aside easily -- when it's easily proven it without a problem can be cast aside easily?

I also don't see the point in calling veganism or vegans silly. That way of living harms less living creatures than your diet, destroys the planet less and don't harm anyone. "It's silly to care". I'm trying to eat vegan as much as possible, but would not have a problem eating eggs etc if I had a couple of hens my self.

But, anyways - there is no defendable reason to eat meat in the western world in 2018. The only reasons are lack of empathy, ignorance and gluttony. Shitty people eat meat.

And I don't think we should kill whales if we can avoid it.

You forgive the lion for eating the gazelle, no?  
Yes, we are much smarter, smart enough to know better and caring enough to empathize with the gazelle...but I thought those factors were irrelevant to the equation?

You cast the issue in such stark terms: right is absolutely right and wrong is absolutely wrong.
It really, really isn't that simple.  My guess is that you have never been on a working farm and you don't have an intimate knowledge of how inputs and outputs work, the roles that animals play in vegetable food production.  A sustainable farm mimics an ecosystem as closely as possible and disrupting that balance requires a shift in inputs that can be disastrous for the environment.  An immediate shift to vegetarian/vegan eating by a majority of the world's population would have huge unforseen and predictable consequences.
You live in northern Europe, right?  What do you eat all winter as a vegetarian? Dried beans, turnips, and winter squash?  Or do you eat imported fresh produce that is shipped from warmer climes?  What happens if the demand for winter produce skyrockets?  The climate surely suffers.  It's all just way more complicated than you want to believe with your moral absolutes.

 You've probably never seen a beautiful, innocent looking cow or horse haul off and kick somebody nearly to death.  People nowadays love to convince themselves that "animals are innocent"...morons one and all lol
Do you know that the cow gif you posted is a dairy cow that was never intended for meat consumption to begin with? 

And there's this.

2 out of 11 posts... RG has a good one.

Come on, can't you spot me a 3 out of 12???

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

I'm not against hunting and fishing, both are part of my own heritage and I still engage in both from time to time.
Whales though...those fuckers might be just as smart as us and they are certainly as loving as us.  I don't like the idea of killing whales and dolphins, it's just not groovy.

Killing any animal - when it is not needed - is not groovy. Shouldn't need tiers on how loving or intelligent they are.

That thar be a slippery slope!
What about the insects that are deliberately murdered on your veggie crops? 

Not a fan of it.

But you accept it.  Why?

In what way do you mean I accept it?

I try to not harm insects either, if  I can help it. I try to by ecologically (maybe you call i organically though?) farmed things as much as possible. 

And in a philosophical sense, I'd say we should try to not harm any other life - if we can help it.

But choosing a vegetarian option for you tomorrow for lunch instead of the slaughtered an murdered cow, or chicken, or fish is a very easy option to make. It's even SUPER EASY. It should be the only sane choice to make in 2018. Any other, shows a severe lack of empathy and thought.

What I mean is that thousands upon thousands of insects die for you to eat vegetables, whether grown organically or not, and you accept it and continue to eat the vegetables.  If no distinction is to be made based on the intelligence and emotional depth of the living creature, then how do you draw the line.  Shouldn't eating plants even be a problem under that ideology?

What do you think?

I think the distinction is relevant.  We are animals too.  Smart ones, sure, but animals nonetheless.
We evolved to consume a large variety of living creatures and I don't think that can be cast aside easily.
On the other hand, we really don't NEED to eat beef for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  I think that starting with the smartest and most emotional animals as "off-limits" is a good way to push societies towards eating less meat over time.  Guilt trips will only entrench the staunch carnivores, they won't make progress.

I also think veganism is silly.  If you really care so much about your food then you should produce your own.  There's nothing wrong with eggs, milk, and cheese if the animals aren't abused.

I have a hard time seeing the relevance of us being "animals too"? So?

I don't see how that could not be cast aside easily -- when it's easily proven it without a problem can be cast aside easily?

I also don't see the point in calling veganism or vegans silly. That way of living harms less living creatures than your diet, destroys the planet less and don't harm anyone. "It's silly to care". I'm trying to eat vegan as much as possible, but would not have a problem eating eggs etc if I had a couple of hens my self.

But, anyways - there is no defendable reason to eat meat in the western world in 2018. The only reasons are lack of empathy, ignorance and gluttony. Shitty people eat meat.

And I don't think we should kill whales if we can avoid it.

You forgive the lion for eating the gazelle, no?  
Yes, we are much smarter, smart enough to know better and caring enough to empathize with the gazelle...but I thought those factors were irrelevant to the equation?

You cast the issue in such stark terms: right is absolutely right and wrong is absolutely wrong.
It really, really isn't that simple.  My guess is that you have never been on a working farm and you don't have an intimate knowledge of how inputs and outputs work, the roles that animals play in vegetable food production.  A sustainable farm mimics an ecosystem as closely as possible and disrupting that balance requires a shift in inputs that can be disastrous for the environment.  An immediate shift to vegetarian/vegan eating by a majority of the world's population would have huge unforseen and predictable consequences.
You live in northern Europe, right?  What do you eat all winter as a vegetarian? Dried beans, turnips, and winter squash?  Or do you eat imported fresh produce that is shipped from warmer climes?  What happens if the demand for winter produce skyrockets?  The climate surely suffers.  It's all just way more complicated than you want to believe with your moral absolutes.

 You've probably never seen a beautiful, innocent looking cow or horse haul off and kick somebody nearly to death.  People nowadays love to convince themselves that "animals are innocent"...morons one and all lol
Do you know that the cow gif you posted is a dairy cow that was never intended for meat consumption to begin with? 

And there's this.

2 out of 11 posts... RG has a good one.

Come on, can't you spot me a 3 out of 12???

Sometimes... when you are starting your next '2 for 11' cycle... you start with a gooder on your very 1st post.

This also qualifies your previous '2 for 11' as a '3 for 12'!

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

City folk (like me) are disconnected with their food.

I understand this though. I understand the process undergone by other people who have grown or raised the food my family eats.

As much as evolution has been an astounding thing (getting to where he have come to)... it has its pitfalls. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

City folk (like me) are disconnected with their food.

I understand this though. I understand the process undergone by other people who have grown or raised the food my family eats.

As much as evolution has been an astounding thing (getting to where he have come to)... it has its pitfalls. 

You grew up rural didn't you?  The country never leaves a person who was raised there.

We hunted and fished (we still 'casually' fish). I grew up with our deep freezer full of deer, moose, and fish- trout and salmon. 

My parents owned a farm when I was small, but this doesn't count for me.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

City folk (like me) are disconnected with their food.

I understand this though. I understand the process undergone by other people who have grown or raised the food my family eats.

As much as evolution has been an astounding thing (getting to where he have come to)... it has its pitfalls. 

You grew up rural didn't you?  The country never leaves a person who was raised there.

We hunted and fished (we still 'casually' fish). I grew up with our deep freezer full of deer, moose, and fish- trout and salmon. 

My parents owned a farm when I was small, but this doesn't count for me.

Gotcha, not full country mouse or city mouse, somewhere in between.
I grew up and live still full country, but hunting has always been minimal for a country fella.

I always feel a little guilty: I never raised my son and daughter as I was raised.

Growing up, we were at the lake all summer. In the fall we hunted. During the winter it was skidooing and ice fishing every weekend. In the spring we fished.

My kids have not experienced this and I'm not sure if they have been ripped off or not?

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

I'm not against hunting and fishing, both are part of my own heritage and I still engage in both from time to time.
Whales though...those fuckers might be just as smart as us and they are certainly as loving as us.  I don't like the idea of killing whales and dolphins, it's just not groovy.

Killing any animal - when it is not needed - is not groovy. Shouldn't need tiers on how loving or intelligent they are.

That thar be a slippery slope!
What about the insects that are deliberately murdered on your veggie crops? 

Not a fan of it.

But you accept it.  Why?

In what way do you mean I accept it?

I try to not harm insects either, if  I can help it. I try to by ecologically (maybe you call i organically though?) farmed things as much as possible. 

And in a philosophical sense, I'd say we should try to not harm any other life - if we can help it.

But choosing a vegetarian option for you tomorrow for lunch instead of the slaughtered an murdered cow, or chicken, or fish is a very easy option to make. It's even SUPER EASY. It should be the only sane choice to make in 2018. Any other, shows a severe lack of empathy and thought.

What I mean is that thousands upon thousands of insects die for you to eat vegetables, whether grown organically or not, and you accept it and continue to eat the vegetables.  If no distinction is to be made based on the intelligence and emotional depth of the living creature, then how do you draw the line.  Shouldn't eating plants even be a problem under that ideology?

What do you think?

I think the distinction is relevant.  We are animals too.  Smart ones, sure, but animals nonetheless.
We evolved to consume a large variety of living creatures and I don't think that can be cast aside easily.
On the other hand, we really don't NEED to eat beef for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  I think that starting with the smartest and most emotional animals as "off-limits" is a good way to push societies towards eating less meat over time.  Guilt trips will only entrench the staunch carnivores, they won't make progress.

I also think veganism is silly.  If you really care so much about your food then you should produce your own.  There's nothing wrong with eggs, milk, and cheese if the animals aren't abused.

I have a hard time seeing the relevance of us being "animals too"? So?

I don't see how that could not be cast aside easily -- when it's easily proven it without a problem can be cast aside easily?

I also don't see the point in calling veganism or vegans silly. That way of living harms less living creatures than your diet, destroys the planet less and don't harm anyone. "It's silly to care". I'm trying to eat vegan as much as possible, but would not have a problem eating eggs etc if I had a couple of hens my self.

But, anyways - there is no defendable reason to eat meat in the western world in 2018. The only reasons are lack of empathy, ignorance and gluttony. Shitty people eat meat.

And I don't think we should kill whales if we can avoid it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

City folk (like me) are disconnected with their food.

I understand this though. I understand the process undergone by other people who have grown or raised the food my family eats.

As much as evolution has been an astounding thing (getting to where he have come to)... it has its pitfalls. 

You grew up rural didn't you?  The country never leaves a person who was raised there.

We hunted and fished (we still 'casually' fish). I grew up with our deep freezer full of deer, moose, and fish- trout and salmon. 

My parents owned a farm when I was small, but this doesn't count for me.

Gotcha, not full country mouse or city mouse, somewhere in between.
I grew up and live still full country, but hunting has always been minimal for a country fella.

I always feel a little guilty: I never raised my son and daughter as I was raised.

Growing up, we were at the lake all summer. In the fall we hunted. During the winter it was skidooing and ice fishing every weekend. In the spring we fished.

My kids have not experienced this and I'm not sure if they have been ripped off or not?

any other connection to the outdoors you are giving them?

Just the idle stuff (hiking and such). We used to snowshoe when the kids were younger.

We do the neat stuff like (surf, swim and snorkel) when on vacation.

But all this doesn't equate to my experience. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I am just saying I can't help but feel I might have been wise to force myself to revisit more outdoor pursuits to mentor properly.

I'm also not going to hang myself for this either. We've done the best we could for our kids and they have not been neglected.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Mickey...

They are familiar with how I was raised. They aren't interested in that life.

If they expressed any kind of interest I would have for sure provided.

Your last question is where my doubts have entered my mind. I feel that maybe I should have exposed them more.

Having said that... we are all healthy and happy. We don't have anything to complain about. I'm typically in the habit of questioning everything including my beliefs and actions. I'm expressing this now I guess.

Thanks for taking an interest. Cheers!

Meltdown99 said:

The Inuit are not responsible for the decline in whale populations.  They have a varied diet, they do not just eat whales.  It is not practical for them to buy their meat when they can harvest their own, something they've been doing for 100's of years.  And I will say again, this is their land ... they do not need permission from government set up by European conquerers as far as I'm concerned.