Should white people be able to appropriate black hairstyles (afro, braids, dreadlocks)
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YesPJ_Soul said:That is weird though, because First Nations LOVE selling dreamcatchers to white people. You see them in every single gift shop on any reserve or at any native casino. I see First Nations people selling them from tables on the street in downtown Vancouver. So how can that possibly be cultural appropriation if they are using them as money makers by selling them to white people?? That makes no sense. I can't agree with the dream catcher theory because of this.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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YesPJ_Soul said:That is weird though, because First Nations LOVE selling dreamcatchers to white people. You see them in every single gift shop on any reserve or at any native casino. I see First Nations people selling them from tables on the street in downtown Vancouver. So how can that possibly be cultural appropriation if they are using them as money makers by selling them to white people?? That makes no sense. I can't agree with the dream catcher theory because of this.Oh, shame on those damn Canadian Indians! (AKA First Nation Peoples- funny that we have differing terminology)No, all joking aside, really? I don't think Native Americans down this way are in favor of doing that. God, I hope not!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Yesoftenreading said:Well, much of what has happened to black Americans hasn’t been fair, either.
Go Beavers said much better what I fumbled - it’s about listening to people and thinking about it through their eyes and not just immediately dismissing it as silly or “a reason to be offended”.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Yesbrianlux said:Oh, shame on those damn Canadian Indians! (AKA First Nation Peoples- funny that we have differing terminology)No, all joking aside, really? I don't think Native Americans down this way are in favor of doing that. God, I hope not!
Louis CK did an amazing bit on this actually.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Yesbrianlux said:Oh, shame on those damn Canadian Indians! (AKA First Nation Peoples- funny that we have differing terminology)No, all joking aside, really? I don't think Native Americans down this way are in favor of doing that. God, I hope not!0
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YesHughFreakingDillon said:I, for one, didn't immediately dismiss it. I have thought about both sides. I still find it a bit much.
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Yesbrianlux said:Oh, shame on those damn Canadian Indians! (AKA First Nation Peoples- funny that we have differing terminology)No, all joking aside, really? I don't think Native Americans down this way are in favor of doing that. God, I hope not!
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YesHughFreakingDillon said:I can't believe people still call them Indians at all. They have zero to do with India. We've known that for hundreds of years. And yet so many people still call them that. I find it so odd.
Louis CK did an amazing bit on this actually.
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PJ_Soul said:That's laying an awful lot of responsibility on some white kid who wants dreads, don't you think?? I don't think that's fair.0
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YesGo Beavers said:Looking at it as an individual decision rather than the larger historical and cultural context is often how white people can operate. The white kid who wants dreads is wanting that within his own context and experience. “I want dreads so I should grow dreads”. A black person might look at a white kid who wants dreads with a different take that includes a history of racism and discrimination. Most white people have the luxury of avoiding even thinking about racism and it’s impact. For most whites, to think about this history requires more conscious action.
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YesPJ_Soul said:Yeah, if anyone says Indians I'm automatically assuming they're talking about people from India. I find it very strange that that label still exists anywhere."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080
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Yesjeffbr said:Yeah, I prefer not to say Indian, but they, themselves will use that. And I know Santa Fe has a Santa Fe Indian Market right in the downtown plaza where natives sell their wares. Jewelry, pottery, art, and yes, dreamcatchers.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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cincybearcat said:You know though you can listen to them and see it through their eyes and then still see something as a silly reason to be offended.0
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YesHughFreakingDillon said:I can't believe people still call them Indians at all. They have zero to do with India. We've known that for hundreds of years. And yet so many people still call them that. I find it so odd.
Louis CK did an amazing bit on this actually.I've asked a few Native Americans and though by no means a consensus, I think a lot of them feel that the term "Native American" is less desirable than Indian or American Indian. A lot of the activist Native writers in the U.S. use the term "Indian". I'm guessing many of them feel like "Native American" is too much a white-invented term, and maybe too politically correct. I think they took back the term "Indian" as their own.Whatever they are called, the main thing to me is to respect that they have a distinct culture, to recognize that Europeans invaded their territories and cause a widespread genocide and to remember that they are people, like anyone else, no better no worse.Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I don't know what the answer is to this.
I spent many of my younger years in a neighborhood where I was a minority. I liked wearing braids because that is what my friends did. I liked the way they looked and wished I could wear them better.
I am also very fond of the meaning behind Dia de los Muertos. I have Hispanic friends that are hurt by the commercialization/appropriation of it.
I have a few Native American friends and family. Some don't like the Cleveland Indians logo, others that don't mind.
IDK...
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Yesthe 1st poll where we are all in agreement as far as , noone should tell any other person how they should wear their hair ...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Yesdionnesimone said:I don't know what the answer is to this.
I spent many of my younger years in a neighborhood where I was a minority. I liked wearing braids because that is what my friends did. I liked the way they looked and wished I could wear them better.
I am also very fond of the meaning behind Dia de los Muertos. I have Hispanic friends that are hurt by the commercialization/appropriation of it.
I have a few Native American friends and family. Some don't like the Cleveland Indians logo, others that don't mind.
IDK...It's not all so easy, is it!?I'm not at all a fan of the sports logos like Indians, Chiefs, etc. I don't know why anybody ever thought that was a good idea. Why do we not have The San Diego Whites, or the New York Caucasians or the Philadelphia Pinks?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Yesbrianlux said:It's not all so easy, is it!?I'm not at all a fan of the sports logos like Indians, Chiefs, etc. I don't know why anybody ever thought that was a good idea. Why do we not have The San Diego Whites, or the New York Caucasians or the Philadelphia Pinks?
I understand why some natives are offended by these team names and others aren't. There are obvious good and bad aspects to them, and one is kind of forced to pick a side.
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brianlux said:It's not all so easy, is it!?I'm not at all a fan of the sports logos like Indians, Chiefs, etc. I don't know why anybody ever thought that was a good idea. Why do we not have The San Diego Whites, or the New York Caucasians or the Philadelphia Pinks?
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