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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    How was he able to obtain the firearm?  Does Canada let people with mental health issues carry firearms?  Not up to date on Canadian gun laws.

    The gun came from the US, apparently.

    Yah. That's what I heard. It's simple enough to go south to Playland... buy a gun from virtually anywhere without any paperwork... and 'sneak' it back across the border.

    The US problem is naturally going to spill over. Just like states that have tried to safeguard their citizens that are located next to states that are more concerned safeguarding the rights of Cletus to shoot shit.
    So they purchased illegally and illegally brought it to Canada?  That’s all you had to say.
    It’s all we had to say, but why shouldn’t we say more? 

    Fairly frequently, Americans on the AMT suggest that Canadians shouldn’t comment on threads that refer to American politics or gun violence. This is an instance where American politics and gun policy has affected Canadians, so I don’t see why we shouldn’t comment on that. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Faisal Hussain, gunman in Danforth shooting rampage, died of self-inflicted gunshot wound: police sourcehttps://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/faisal-hussain-gunman-in-danforth-shooting-rampage-died-of-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound-police-source-1.4761775?cmp=FB_Post

    Too bad he didn't finish himself off first ... piece of shit terrorist.  
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    She isn't coming back': Community mourns loss of 2 young lives in Danforth shooting

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/julianna-kozis-reese-fallon-memorial-1.4761448

    And some have life altering injuries thanks to this terrorist pos...
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,031
    edited July 2018
    CTV news in Toronto just reported the gun was actually stolen in a break-in in Saskatoon (shortly after the brother was arrested on drug charges).

    And today there was another fatal shooting (possibly/likely part of the ongoing gang wars), and Richard Kachkar was given a conditional discharge.

    edit for a stupid autofill/mistype.
    Post edited by DarthMaeglin on
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    She isn't coming back': Community mourns loss of 2 young lives in Danforth shooting

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/julianna-kozis-reese-fallon-memorial-1.4761448

    And some have life altering injuries thanks to this terrorist pos...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    DarthMaeglin said:
    CTV news in Toronto just reported the gun was actually stolen in a break-in in Saskatoon (shortly after the brother was arrested on drug charges).

    And today there was another fatal shooting (possibly/likely part of the ongoing gang wars), and Richard Kachkar was given a conditional discharge.

    edit for a stupid autofill/mistype.
    Isn't his brother in a coma?  Does anyone know why?  Maybe he is in a mental health coma???
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,031
    Meltdown99 said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    CTV news in Toronto just reported the gun was actually stolen in a break-in in Saskatoon (shortly after the brother was arrested on drug charges).

    And today there was another fatal shooting (possibly/likely part of the ongoing gang wars), and Richard Kachkar was given a conditional discharge.

    edit for a stupid autofill/mistype.
    Isn't his brother in a coma?  Does anyone know why?  Maybe he is in a mental health coma???
    That’s one of the angles that isn’t being dug into, apparently. Police apparently found another gun in the family apartment, along with loads of ammunition.

    Btw, your comment about a “mental health coma” is just lame. It borders on trollish, but I’m working my own way through mental health issues myself (with support) (just to explain my POV). I understand we’re all angry about this event, but we need to remain rational if we ever want to arrive at the truth, in my opinion.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    CTV news in Toronto just reported the gun was actually stolen in a break-in in Saskatoon (shortly after the brother was arrested on drug charges).

    And today there was another fatal shooting (possibly/likely part of the ongoing gang wars), and Richard Kachkar was given a conditional discharge.

    edit for a stupid autofill/mistype.
    Isn't his brother in a coma?  Does anyone know why?  Maybe he is in a mental health coma???
    That’s one of the angles that isn’t being dug into, apparently. Police apparently found another gun in the family apartment, along with loads of ammunition.

    Btw, your comment about a “mental health coma” is just lame. It borders on trollish, but I’m working my own way through mental health issues myself (with support) (just to explain my POV). I understand we’re all angry about this event, but we need to remain rational if we ever want to arrive at the truth, in my opinion.
    The comment is more than just “bordering on trolling”; it’s insulting to the many people who struggle with mental illness, it’s senseless, and it’s indefensible. I hope your hard work is bringing you some relief, DarthMaeglin. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,031
    oftenreading said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    CTV news in Toronto just reported the gun was actually stolen in a break-in in Saskatoon (shortly after the brother was arrested on drug charges).

    And today there was another fatal shooting (possibly/likely part of the ongoing gang wars), and Richard Kachkar was given a conditional discharge.

    edit for a stupid autofill/mistype.
    Isn't his brother in a coma?  Does anyone know why?  Maybe he is in a mental health coma???
    That’s one of the angles that isn’t being dug into, apparently. Police apparently found another gun in the family apartment, along with loads of ammunition.

    Btw, your comment about a “mental health coma” is just lame. It borders on trollish, but I’m working my own way through mental health issues myself (with support) (just to explain my POV). I understand we’re all angry about this event, but we need to remain rational if we ever want to arrive at the truth, in my opinion.
    The comment is more than just “bordering on trolling”; it’s insulting to the many people who struggle with mental illness, it’s senseless, and it’s indefensible. I hope your hard work is bringing you some relief, DarthMaeglin. 
    Thanks, I appreciate that. It’s a process, to be sure.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,031
    I’m actually reading on the Toronto Sun that the brother’s coma was caused by an overdose of a mixture of heroin and cocaine.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    What's insulting is they play the mental health card instantly.  He may have suffered from mental health issues.  But his actions were pre-mediitated ... all his fucking family did was add to the stigma of mental health.  Quit defending this terrorist because the mental health card was played ... fuck this asshole.
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  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,031
    Meltdown99 said:
    What's insulting is they play the mental health card instantly.  He may have suffered from mental health issues.  But his actions were pre-mediitated ... all his fucking family did was add to the stigma of mental health.  Quit defending this terrorist because the mental health card was played ... fuck this asshole.
    I’m not sure that anyone’s been defending the shooter, and I assure you we’re in total agreement on the main point: fuck the asshole (one can only hope he’s currently being literally fucked in Hell, since he avoided jailhouse justice).
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    What's insulting is they play the mental health card instantly.  He may have suffered from mental health issues.  But his actions were pre-mediitated ... all his fucking family did was add to the stigma of mental health.  Quit defending this terrorist because the mental health card was played ... fuck this asshole.
    I’m not sure that anyone’s been defending the shooter, and I assure you we’re in total agreement on the main point: fuck the asshole (one can only hope he’s currently being literally fucked in Hell, since he avoided jailhouse justice).
    Fair enough.  How about this?  The family played the mental health card.  Now they need to offer proof.  But we'll see ... more to follow I'm sure.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Toronto council wants Ottawa to ban sale of handguns within city limits

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-council-wants-ottawa-to-ban-sale-of-handguns-within-city-limits-1.4026911?cid=sm:trueanthem:ctvnews:post&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5b59becb9ac5640007fbcd57&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

    Someone should let the mayor know that legal handguns are not the problem.  Plus Toronto, you don't live on an island.  More knee jerk reaction from more useless politicians...
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Ontario teacher charged in drowning of Jeremiah Perry in Algonquin Park canoe trip

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-man-charged-in-death-of-jeremiah-perry-1.4762341

    I spent 25 years working for a school and have lost count as to how many teachers no longer participate in field trip type of activities because they worried something like this would happen to them ... essentially the risk was no longer worth the reward.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited July 2018
    Meltdown99 said:
    Ontario teacher charged in drowning of Jeremiah Perry in Algonquin Park canoe trip

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-man-charged-in-death-of-jeremiah-perry-1.4762341

    I spent 25 years working for a school and have lost count as to how many teachers no longer participate in field trip type of activities because they worried something like this would happen to them ... essentially the risk was no longer worth the reward.
    @Thirty Bills Unpaid you are a teacher, what do think?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,754
    Geez, you'd think the parental permission forms would take care of shit like that. Obviously not. They should. If parents don't want to accept the risks of such trips, they shouldn't let their kids go.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,031
    Meltdown99 said:
    Ontario teacher charged in drowning of Jeremiah Perry in Algonquin Park canoe trip

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-man-charged-in-death-of-jeremiah-perry-1.4762341

    I spent 25 years working for a school and have lost count as to how many teachers no longer participate in field trip type of activities because they worried something like this would happen to them ... essentially the risk was no longer worth the reward.
    As I understand it, it was actually clear negligence in this case. A child went on a canoe trip, but the school/organizers didn’t do their due diligence to confirm the students actually had the swimming skills they claimed.
    When I went on a similar trip with Scouts, a pool was rented and we were tested on both swimming and canoeing abilities.
     I don’t see them throwing the book at the teacher, more just send a message.
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Ontario teacher charged in drowning of Jeremiah Perry in Algonquin Park canoe trip

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-man-charged-in-death-of-jeremiah-perry-1.4762341

    I spent 25 years working for a school and have lost count as to how many teachers no longer participate in field trip type of activities because they worried something like this would happen to them ... essentially the risk was no longer worth the reward.
    As I understand it, it was actually clear negligence in this case. A child went on a canoe trip, but the school/organizers didn’t do their due diligence to confirm the students actually had the swimming skills they claimed.
    When I went on a similar trip with Scouts, a pool was rented and we were tested on both swimming and canoeing abilities.
     I don’t see them throwing the book at the teacher, more just send a message.
    I'll never understand anyone going out on the water and not wearing a life jacket.  I do not even think this case will get to court.  The Teachers union will back him and they have plenty of money for his legal defence...
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Meltdown99 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Ontario teacher charged in drowning of Jeremiah Perry in Algonquin Park canoe trip

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-man-charged-in-death-of-jeremiah-perry-1.4762341

    I spent 25 years working for a school and have lost count as to how many teachers no longer participate in field trip type of activities because they worried something like this would happen to them ... essentially the risk was no longer worth the reward.
    @thi@"Thirty Bills Unpaid" you are a teacher, what do think?

    I read the story.

    It's obviously a really tragic event, but the details were faint with regards to what the extent of the negligence was on the part of the teacher. Did he push him into the water? Was he busy doing something and had a lapse in supervision?  

    I'm wondering why- after a failed the swim test- the kid was even there in the first place?

    But to your point, the cumbersome amount of paperwork needed to (say) go bowling on a bus has turned teachers off from organizing field trips... let alone the fact that if something goes wrong... the teacher is hung out to dry. I could offer several examples where kids were taken off campus on an organized event, have acted poorly, got themselves into some kind of trouble, and the teacher was blamed with no ramifications for the kids. Sheer nonsense.  

    Typically, teachers will try to get permission forms and waivers signed, as well as collecting monies, from all kids well in advance (these things tend to trickle in very slowly). Many times, 5-6 kids will not have turned anything in once the day of the event is upon them. This leads to a supervision issue: the kids cannot attend and now there is a segment of the class unattended. This forces the organizing teacher to scramble at the last minute and try and find somewhere for the kids to be. There is always another accommodating teacher, but inevitably (for many reasons) the situation is far from ideal.

    Again, and as sad as it is, most teachers abstain from planning such events.
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