$15 minimum wage

PJPOWER · July 2018

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

Most of the automotive culture is centered around freedom to “hit the open road” and exploring roads less traveled. Many agricultural tasks could not be done by driverless cars. I do not foresee people giving up their driving privileges any time soon. If anything, driverless car manufacturers are going to have to adapt to sharing the road a majority of actual drivers, not the other way around.

Halifax2TheMax · July 2018

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

Most of the automotive culture is centered around freedom to “hit the open road” and exploring roads less traveled. Many agricultural tasks could not be done by driverless cars. I do not foresee people giving up their driving privileges any time soon. If anything, driverless car manufacturers are going to have to adapt to sharing the road a majority of actual drivers, not the other way around.

Tell that to the GPS guided combines. Just a matter of time before agriculture is harvested via roomba or iRobot. Autonomous dexterity is improving by leaps and bounds.

PJPOWER · July 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

Most of the automotive culture is centered around freedom to “hit the open road” and exploring roads less traveled. Many agricultural tasks could not be done by driverless cars. I do not foresee people giving up their driving privileges any time soon. If anything, driverless car manufacturers are going to have to adapt to sharing the road a majority of actual drivers, not the other way around.

Tell that to the GPS guided combines. Just a matter of time before agriculture is harvested via roomba or iRobot. Autonomous dexterity is improving by leaps and bounds.

There are a ton of agricultural tasks that would likely never be able to be accomplished by automated vehicles. Hell, some people still even use horses for them even though cars have been around for 100 years. Maybe once artificially intelligent robots start taking over every aspect of our lives, but does anyone really want that?

Jason P · July 2018

The unemployment rate is so low you shouldn’t have problems finding a $15 / hr as long as you show up every day and are reliable. There are help wanted signs everywhere. It’s a workers market right now.

PJ_Soul · July 2018

1ThoughtKnown said:

You two fight on every thread?

It's not fighting, but yeah, I very strongly disagree with almost everything Meltdown says and will not back away from expressing why. I think the majority of his posts are willfully ignorant.

PJ_Soul · July 2018

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses. No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China. Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

Quit giving governnment control over your life...

I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while. My wheels is my freedom...

Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.

I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity.

And I don't give a rats ass about people like you who want to turn control over their life to politicians like fluff. Quit relying on the government to make decisions for you...and your horse analogy is fucking stupid. Who the fuck would choose a horse over a heated car in Canada'a winter...only a fool or out of necessity (like ranchers). You want rid of congestion quit inviting everyone in through fluffs open border policy...people cause congestion.

What are you talking about with this government control bullshit? The government actually has nothing to do with it beyond following the lead of private corporations man. The government will simply make what private corporations will drive feasible by funding infrastructure and creating generally common sense laws to match the reality of change. It will just be the same as when cars came along - the cars were made, people bought them, it became more popular, and THEN government came along to facilitate it with a road infrastructure and some traffic laws.
My analogy may sound stupid, but it is factually based. There was a LOT of kickback when cars came along. People JUST LIKE YOU were against the rise of the automobile. Their minds were not open to change.

Quoting yourself is a sign that you should stop drinking:)

I don't understand what this means.

HesCalledDyer · July 2018

Nowhere in my area starts you anywhere close to $15/hr. Maryland minimum is $10.10 and you'd be hard-pressed a find a penny more. It is still higher than the Federal min and higher than most states (including $8.75 in bordering WV, $8.25 in DE, $7.25 in PA/VA), but still not a livable wage. And that's the problem with minimum wage - it's not the minimum a person can live off of, it's the minimum that business owners & corporate CEOs have figured out they can get away with paying you while lining their greedy pockets.

PJ_Soul · July 2018

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

But that isn't how it would work at all. The government is not going to "try to ban driving" all of a sudden, while people are not prepared for it in the least, to the point where everyone would freak out, lol. I don't understand how either of you got this fantasy in your heads. The technology and capability will come first, and gradually. The government will just step in when forced to by private enterprise and consumer behaviour in order to keep traffic moving - as a transit authority, just as does now. That is why this whole "government control" crap is so dumb. Government control has absolutely nothing to do with it - no more than government control is at play when you're stopped at a red light anyway.

Meltdown99 · July 2018

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

But that isn't how it would work at all. The government is not going to "try to ban driving" all of a sudden, while people are not prepared for it. I don't understand how either of you got this fantasy in your heads. The technology and capability will come first, The government will just step in when forced to by private enterprise and consumer behaviour. That is why this whole "government control" crap is so dumb. Government control has absolutely nothing to do with it - no more than government control is at play when you're stopped at a red light.

I am certainly not going to worry about something that will not reach the masses in my lifetime...

PJ_Soul · July 2018

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

Most of the automotive culture is centered around freedom to “hit the open road” and exploring roads less traveled. Many agricultural tasks could not be done by driverless cars. I do not foresee people giving up their driving privileges any time soon. If anything, driverless car manufacturers are going to have to adapt to sharing the road a majority of actual drivers, not the other way around.

Of course driverless will start out sharing the road with drivers - that's not a guess. That is already what's happening; remember that driverless cars are already being tested on the roads, and many companies are looking into driverless trucking with great interest. This is obviously a very gradual change. And I disagree completely about the agricultural aspect. I think such industries, along with the transportation industry in general, will be the most eager to swith over as technology allows them to.

PJ_Soul · July 2018

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

But that isn't how it would work at all. The government is not going to "try to ban driving" all of a sudden, while people are not prepared for it. I don't understand how either of you got this fantasy in your heads. The technology and capability will come first, The government will just step in when forced to by private enterprise and consumer behaviour. That is why this whole "government control" crap is so dumb. Government control has absolutely nothing to do with it - no more than government control is at play when you're stopped at a red light.

I am certainly not going to worry about something that will not reach the masses in my lifetime...

Is that the official motto for conservatives? It seems like it most of the time. They don't give a flying fuck about future generations. Just about themselves.

PJPOWER · July 2018

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

Most of the automotive culture is centered around freedom to “hit the open road” and exploring roads less traveled. Many agricultural tasks could not be done by driverless cars. I do not foresee people giving up their driving privileges any time soon. If anything, driverless car manufacturers are going to have to adapt to sharing the road a majority of actual drivers, not the other way around.

Of course driverless will start out sharing the road with drivers - that's not a guess. That is already what's happening; remember that driverless cars are already being tested on the roads, and many companies are looking into driverless trucking with great interest. This is obviously a very gradual change. And I disagree completely about the agricultural aspect. I think such industries, along with the transportation industry in general, will be the most eager to swith over as technology allows them to.

I can see cars that allow you to drive, but also allow an “auto-pilot” being useful for farmers and ranchers, but not complete driverless cars. There are tasks such as driving out in the middle of fields, avoiding hazards in the fields that you are driving on, and so on that would not be logical with a driverless car. Maybe driverless on highways only?

PJ_Soul · July 2018

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles. My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving. Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers? If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before. I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%. The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive. However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.

Most of the automotive culture is centered around freedom to “hit the open road” and exploring roads less traveled. Many agricultural tasks could not be done by driverless cars. I do not foresee people giving up their driving privileges any time soon. If anything, driverless car manufacturers are going to have to adapt to sharing the road a majority of actual drivers, not the other way around.

Of course driverless will start out sharing the road with drivers - that's not a guess. That is already what's happening; remember that driverless cars are already being tested on the roads, and many companies are looking into driverless trucking with great interest. This is obviously a very gradual change. And I disagree completely about the agricultural aspect. I think such industries, along with the transportation industry in general, will be the most eager to swith over as technology allows them to.

I can see cars that allow you to drive, but also allow an “auto-pilot” being useful for farmers and ranchers, but not complete driverless cars. There are tasks such as driving out in the middle of fields, avoiding hazards in the fields that you are driving on, and so on that would not be logical with a driverless car. Maybe driverless on highways only?

Yes, I think the first consumer driverless cars will be "hybrids", where you can turn it on and off. But I don't think that is a logistical consideration. The technology that makes it possible to never have a driver already exists. Computers are already smart enough to do of the tasks you're talking about. Just imagine what they'll be capable of in 20 or 30 years. AI is real. And driverless on highways only would kind of defeat the purpose. Consumer-level driverless will be most useful within cities, where most of the congestion and accidents are.

Halifax2TheMax · July 2018

See what the military is doing with autonomous humvees as far as computers driving in fields and woods. It’s much closer than you think as are robotic “pack” animals.

flywallyfly · July 2018

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

I am certainly not going to worry about something that will not reach the masses in my lifetime...

Is that the official motto for conservatives? It seems like it most of the time. They don't give a flying fuck about future generations. Just about themselves.

You need to get out more then. The echo chamber in here is not doing you any favors, in my humble opinion.

PJ_Soul · July 2018

flywallyfly said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

I am certainly not going to worry about something that will not reach the masses in my lifetime...

Is that the official motto for conservatives? It seems like it most of the time. They don't give a flying fuck about future generations. Just about themselves.

You need to get out more then. The echo chamber in here is not doing you any favors, in my humble opinion.

So you think I get all of my information from the AMT??

PJPOWER · July 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

See what the military is doing with autonomous humvees as far as computers driving in fields and woods. It’s much closer than you think as are robotic “pack” animals.

Yeah, I just don’t see it. Maybe i’ll be wrong or maybe you will...we’ll see. It would be awesome for robots to herd cattle, drive over pastures without running over cactus and getting flats, or find lost calves and bring them back to their mothers, and fix broken fences...but I’m not going to hold my breath. I’m not saying the technology will never be able to do these things, but i’m not sure how feasible it will be.

tempo_n_groove · July 2018

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

See what the military is doing with autonomous humvees as far as computers driving in fields and woods. It’s much closer than you think as are robotic “pack” animals.

Yeah, I just don’t see it. Maybe i’ll be wrong or maybe you will...we’ll see. It would be awesome for robots to herd cattle, drive over pastures without running over cactus and getting flats, or find lost calves and bring them back to their mothers, and fix broken fences...but I’m not going to hold my breath. I’m not saying the technology will never be able to do these things, but i’m not sure how feasible it will be.

"Danger Will Rogers!!!"

I want my own pet robot like in Lost in Space!!!

PJ_Soul · July 2018

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

See what the military is doing with autonomous humvees as far as computers driving in fields and woods. It’s much closer than you think as are robotic “pack” animals.

Yeah, I just don’t see it. Maybe i’ll be wrong or maybe you will...we’ll see. It would be awesome for robots to herd cattle, drive over pastures without running over cactus and getting flats, or find lost calves and bring them back to their mothers, and fix broken fences...but I’m not going to hold my breath. I’m not saying the technology will never be able to do these things, but i’m not sure how feasible it will be.

Why would computers not be able to navigate difficult terrain? They can already do that, way better than any human can.
Just take a look at what robots can do now. And these are simply still in the research phase. Soon enough we'll all be like, "omg, look at how slow and clumsy that thing is, har har har." I believe that we are still in the infancy of technological innovation, and look how fucking far we've come in only 30 years - it's so crazy. And just imagine the kinds of things the military is doing behind closed doors. And North America is behind the game as far as driverless goes. Check out where Singapore is at with it - they are clearly already working towards it and starting to issue licenses and regulations to accommodate the technology in business at a fast rate. Other countries will be following suit soon enough. I'm sure the less crowded a country is, the slower it will be to pick it up. NECESSITY is the mother of invention after all. In the case of driverless, overcrowding is what will make it a necessity. Eventually being in a driver car will just mean sitting in traffic 6 hours a day. Having "control" over your machine won't seem so great when it's ruining your life. I already know people who literally spend 4 hours every single work day commuting... and yeah, it's ruining their lives.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h8mX9ZMs7g

PJPOWER · July 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

See what the military is doing with autonomous humvees as far as computers driving in fields and woods. It’s much closer than you think as are robotic “pack” animals.

Yeah, I just don’t see it. Maybe i’ll be wrong or maybe you will...we’ll see. It would be awesome for robots to herd cattle, drive over pastures without running over cactus and getting flats, or find lost calves and bring them back to their mothers, and fix broken fences...but I’m not going to hold my breath. I’m not saying the technology will never be able to do these things, but i’m not sure how feasible it will be.

"Danger Will Rogers!!!"

I want my own pet robot like in Lost in Space!!!

No shit, the one in the new series is badass. If those existed, I would be sold!

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