Donald Trump

unsung · July 2018

vaggar99 said:

Laughing about Obama people now caring about treason.

OnWis97 · July 2018

unsung said:

vaggar99 said:

Laughing about Obama people now caring about treason.

Laughing about how "libertarians" that vote for anything with an "R" by it and claim to love America support treason (not to mention the elimination of checks and balances).

Halifax2TheMax · July 2018

cincybearcat said:

BS44325 said:

unsung said:

I prefer diplomacy. Have you all gone mad with your rabid hatred?

This is actually a great line.

It is. But it’s only words and 1 line from a lot of other really bad lines.

But peace through surrender isn’t good.

Where are all the conservatives that loved Reagan. Trump pretended to be a Reagananite but only in that he wants military funding. He sure as shit doesn’t have Reagans ability at diplomacy and he sure as shit lacks his spine. We’ve gone from “year down this wall” and Peace through strength to “what else can I do for you mr Putin and peace through giving in to your adversaries while attacking your allies.

its nonsense.

No, it’s 3D chess. Brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy.

tempo_n_groove · July 2018

PJNB said:

The Juggler said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

unsung said:

I prefer diplomacy. Have you all gone mad with your rabid hatred?

This is actually a great line.

It’s a line from a con man, and it looks like you’ve been conned based on the last couple pages.

Nope I have not been conned...i just refuse to get emotional or pre-judge. I am results driven. Trump’s strategy to date has been pretty consistent with somewhat early positive results. On the surface he makes nice with the ruthless and behind the scenes he is ruthless with those he makes nice. He’s nice to Xi yet piles on the tariffs and pushes American presence in the South China Sea. He’s nice to Kim Jong Un yet enforces strict sanctions and puts the military option right off his coastline. He’s nice to Putin yet tightens sanctions, increases oil/gas competition, increases NATO spending, and slaughters his people in Syria. How it all will play out nobody knows but in the end only the results will matter to me. If Trump has to make nice in public in order to let these bastards save face while losing then so be it. Only the win matters.

The people who’ve been conned also do serious turd polishing.

It’s quite amazing isn’t it? Haha

anyway—worst foreign trip ever by an American president right? Not even close?

Not if you ask Rand Paul or Fox News. They are trying to flip the narrative today missing key points and problems of the summit. You know that this is going to work with his base too.

FOX has been giving him the business. Even that Tucker person was beleaguered by what Trump said.

Halifax2TheMax · July 2018

unsung said:

vaggar99 said:

Laughing about Obama people now caring about treason.

Laughing at you making an allegation that you can’t support with facts. Again.

vaggar99 · July 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

vaggar99 said:

Laughing about Obama people now caring about treason.

Laughing at you making an allegation that you can’t support with facts. Again.

I'm done laughing. I'm calling it was it is. Sociopathy.

Halifax2TheMax · July 2018

#walkawayalready

Ohio GOP Leader Resigns in Protest Over Trump-Putin Summit: It’s A ‘Matter of Conscience’ - Newsweek https://apple.news/ACsADhPz0SDGDnbJXhYY_Qg

OnWis97 · July 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

PJNB said:

The Juggler said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

Go Beavers said:

BS44325 said:

unsung said:

I prefer diplomacy. Have you all gone mad with your rabid hatred?

This is actually a great line.

It’s a line from a con man, and it looks like you’ve been conned based on the last couple pages.

Nope I have not been conned...i just refuse to get emotional or pre-judge. I am results driven. Trump’s strategy to date has been pretty consistent with somewhat early positive results. On the surface he makes nice with the ruthless and behind the scenes he is ruthless with those he makes nice. He’s nice to Xi yet piles on the tariffs and pushes American presence in the South China Sea. He’s nice to Kim Jong Un yet enforces strict sanctions and puts the military option right off his coastline. He’s nice to Putin yet tightens sanctions, increases oil/gas competition, increases NATO spending, and slaughters his people in Syria. How it all will play out nobody knows but in the end only the results will matter to me. If Trump has to make nice in public in order to let these bastards save face while losing then so be it. Only the win matters.

The people who’ve been conned also do serious turd polishing.

It’s quite amazing isn’t it? Haha

anyway—worst foreign trip ever by an American president right? Not even close?

Not if you ask Rand Paul or Fox News. They are trying to flip the narrative today missing key points and problems of the summit. You know that this is going to work with his base too.

FOX has been giving him the business. Even that Tucker person was beleaguered by what Trump said.

A small bump in the road. State News will be back in line before the day is out.

OnWis97 · July 2018

I hate bringing Hilary up since the GOP is still, with some success, running against her. And I myself had to hold my nose to vote for her. But my god did she call it...

https://www.facebook.com/TheGuardiansOfDemocracy/videos/425105534570237/UzpfSTI1NzM5NDYwMTM0MTMzMjo0OTQ2OTU5NzA5NDQ1MjY/?hc_ref=ARQkjqBGL_gA_15k1b6BEcwsQTWjysNk68W15hOdbcttkZedmWFFNcd9eoK-HDs6yMQ&fref=nf

Go Beavers · July 2018

unsung said:

vaggar99 said:

Laughing about Obama people now caring about treason.

Whataboutism will get its own paragraph in history books so the kids know how it got this far.

vaggar99 · July 2018

^^^^
spot on

MayDay10 · July 2018

https://www.greensboro.com/news/u-s-trade-immigration-and-biofuel-policies-hit-farmers-hard/article_ed068b22-2557-5c5c-9af5-b03c82ee385b.html

U.S. trade, immigration and biofuel policies hit farmers hard

DES MOINES, Iowa — Even before the specter of a trade war with China and other countries threatened to cost them billions of dollars, American farmers were feeling the squeeze from fluctuating crop prices and other factors that have halved their overall income in recent years.

The threat of counter-tariffs on U.S. farm goods and the impact of President Donald Trump's other policies on immigration and biofuels, though, have some farmers more worried than ever about their ability to continue eking out an existence in agriculture.

"No matter where you look in ag right now, you see storm clouds on the horizon and some of those are a lot closer overhead than we'd care for," said Chad Hart, an agricultural economist with Iowa State University.

Trump's tariff threats earlier this year against China, Mexico, Canada and European Union elicited quick retaliatory measures that depressed the prices of certain U.S. agricultural products, including corn, soybeans, pork. When $34 billion worth of tariffs against China took effect July 6 and China responded with tariffs of its own, U.S. farmers were already feeling the squeeze from lower crop prices, higher land prices and other factors.

The Department of Agriculture predicted before the threat of tariffs and counter-tariffs that U.S. farm income would drop this year to $60 billion, or half the $120 billion of five years ago. That projection is likely high, given what's transpired since.

Don Bloss, who grows corn, soybeans, sorghum and wheat on his farm in the southeastern Nebraska community of Pawnee City, said he's already seen a few neighbors quit farming as they struggled to make a profit even before the tariff battle began this year.

"They aren't making money. One has said the banker is giving up on them," said Bloss.

John Weber, who raises pigs and grows corn and soybeans with his son about 100 miles northeast of Des Moines, near Dysart, said many farmers' budgets were already tight going into this growing season and the impact of tariffs has made it worse.

"Some were given the go-ahead for another year, but boy, you start looking at these lower prices and the extra costs that are out there now it gets tough. It just doesn't work," he said.

Per-bushel soybean prices have fallen 19 percent since early May to a 10-year low and corn is down more than 15 percent. At current prices, most farmers lose money on corn, soybeans and pigs.

U.S. pork producers stand to lose more than $2 billion per year because of plunging hog futures prices, the result of the Chinese retaliatory tariffs, according to Iowa State University economists' projections.

Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue has promised that Trump will restore farmer profitability but he hasn't specified how and some economists are skeptical that the administration can come up with the billions of dollars necessary to cover losses.

"If this continues and the USDA does not discover a way to helicopter in and drop buckets of cash into the corn belt this fall, then I would not be surprised if there are tractor parades going to DC at some point in the next year," said Scott Irwin, University of Illinois agricultural economist.

There's no sign of a quick resolution to the trade dispute. The U.S. and China have threatened to impose 25 percent tariffs next week on $16 billion of each other's goods. And on Tuesday, Trump announced plans to impose 10 percent tariffs on an additional $200 billion in Chinese imports by the end of August. China said it would retaliate, leaving even more U.S. farm products at risk.

Meanwhile, Trump's hardline immigration policies have been making it even harder to recruit workers for pork producers, who have historically relied on immigrants for a third of their workforce. The industry had been planning a rapid expansion due to growing export demand from China and Mexico, but the trade dispute and raids spring immigration raids on a Tennessee meatpacking plant and an Iowa concrete plant have worried pork producers.

"Skilled and unskilled foreign workers have been crucial to maintaining and growing the workforce and revitalizing rural communities across the United States. We need more of them, not less," Heimerl said.

The Trump administration's willingness to issue waivers exempting petroleum refineries from having to blend ethanol into their fuels has led to an estimated 250 million bushels of corn going unused, which contributed to lower corn prices.

"There's potential here for this to turn into the worst farm financial crisis since the 1980s," Irwin said.

g under p · July 2018

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

vaggar99 said:

https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1018990073700708355

Hahahhahahahaha

The best part is the sigh at the end.

I agree that sigh at the end was the best part....it was akin to saying I don't know what else to say about that idiotic summit.

I felt not much was going to come from the summit but never the implosion that occurred.

Peace

Halifax2TheMax · July 2018

MayDay10 said:

https://www.greensboro.com/news/u-s-trade-immigration-and-biofuel-policies-hit-farmers-hard/article_ed068b22-2557-5c5c-9af5-b03c82ee385b.html

U.S. trade, immigration and biofuel policies hit farmers hard

DES MOINES, Iowa — Even before the specter of a trade war with China and other countries threatened to cost them billions of dollars, American farmers were feeling the squeeze from fluctuating crop prices and other factors that have halved their overall income in recent years.

The threat of counter-tariffs on U.S. farm goods and the impact of President Donald Trump's other policies on immigration and biofuels, though, have some farmers more worried than ever about their ability to continue eking out an existence in agriculture.

"No matter where you look in ag right now, you see storm clouds on the horizon and some of those are a lot closer overhead than we'd care for," said Chad Hart, an agricultural economist with Iowa State University.

Trump's tariff threats earlier this year against China, Mexico, Canada and European Union elicited quick retaliatory measures that depressed the prices of certain U.S. agricultural products, including corn, soybeans, pork. When $34 billion worth of tariffs against China took effect July 6 and China responded with tariffs of its own, U.S. farmers were already feeling the squeeze from lower crop prices, higher land prices and other factors.

The Department of Agriculture predicted before the threat of tariffs and counter-tariffs that U.S. farm income would drop this year to $60 billion, or half the $120 billion of five years ago. That projection is likely high, given what's transpired since.

Don Bloss, who grows corn, soybeans, sorghum and wheat on his farm in the southeastern Nebraska community of Pawnee City, said he's already seen a few neighbors quit farming as they struggled to make a profit even before the tariff battle began this year.

"They aren't making money. One has said the banker is giving up on them," said Bloss.

John Weber, who raises pigs and grows corn and soybeans with his son about 100 miles northeast of Des Moines, near Dysart, said many farmers' budgets were already tight going into this growing season and the impact of tariffs has made it worse.

"Some were given the go-ahead for another year, but boy, you start looking at these lower prices and the extra costs that are out there now it gets tough. It just doesn't work," he said.

Per-bushel soybean prices have fallen 19 percent since early May to a 10-year low and corn is down more than 15 percent. At current prices, most farmers lose money on corn, soybeans and pigs.

U.S. pork producers stand to lose more than $2 billion per year because of plunging hog futures prices, the result of the Chinese retaliatory tariffs, according to Iowa State University economists' projections.

Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue has promised that Trump will restore farmer profitability but he hasn't specified how and some economists are skeptical that the administration can come up with the billions of dollars necessary to cover losses.

"If this continues and the USDA does not discover a way to helicopter in and drop buckets of cash into the corn belt this fall, then I would not be surprised if there are tractor parades going to DC at some point in the next year," said Scott Irwin, University of Illinois agricultural economist.

There's no sign of a quick resolution to the trade dispute. The U.S. and China have threatened to impose 25 percent tariffs next week on $16 billion of each other's goods. And on Tuesday, Trump announced plans to impose 10 percent tariffs on an additional $200 billion in Chinese imports by the end of August. China said it would retaliate, leaving even more U.S. farm products at risk.

Meanwhile, Trump's hardline immigration policies have been making it even harder to recruit workers for pork producers, who have historically relied on immigrants for a third of their workforce. The industry had been planning a rapid expansion due to growing export demand from China and Mexico, but the trade dispute and raids spring immigration raids on a Tennessee meatpacking plant and an Iowa concrete plant have worried pork producers.

"Skilled and unskilled foreign workers have been crucial to maintaining and growing the workforce and revitalizing rural communities across the United States. We need more of them, not less," Heimerl said.

The Trump administration's willingness to issue waivers exempting petroleum refineries from having to blend ethanol into their fuels has led to an estimated 250 million bushels of corn going unused, which contributed to lower corn prices.

"There's potential here for this to turn into the worst farm financial crisis since the 1980s," Irwin said.

And yet, yet, there are posters on here who believe Team Trump Treason is doing everything they can to protect our elections. Hey, I’ve got a drained swamp I’ll sell you.

cincybearcat · July 2018

unsung said:

vaggar99 said:

Laughing about Obama people now caring about treason.

Wait a minute, so you cared about treason during Obama admin and don't now?

brianlux · July 2018

OnWis97 said:

I hate bringing Hilary up since the GOP is still, with some success, running against her. And I myself had to hold my nose to vote for her. But my god did she call it...

https://www.facebook.com/TheGuardiansOfDemocracy/videos/425105534570237/UzpfSTI1NzM5NDYwMTM0MTMzMjo0OTQ2OTU5NzA5NDQ1MjY/?hc_ref=ARQkjqBGL_gA_15k1b6BEcwsQTWjysNk68W15hOdbcttkZedmWFFNcd9eoK-HDs6yMQ&fref=nf

She definitely nailed it there.

tempo_n_groove · July 2018

MayDay10 said:

https://www.greensboro.com/news/u-s-trade-immigration-and-biofuel-policies-hit-farmers-hard/article_ed068b22-2557-5c5c-9af5-b03c82ee385b.html

U.S. trade, immigration and biofuel policies hit farmers hard

DES MOINES, Iowa — Even before the specter of a trade war with China and other countries threatened to cost them billions of dollars, American farmers were feeling the squeeze from fluctuating crop prices and other factors that have halved their overall income in recent years.

The threat of counter-tariffs on U.S. farm goods and the impact of President Donald Trump's other policies on immigration and biofuels, though, have some farmers more worried than ever about their ability to continue eking out an existence in agriculture.

"No matter where you look in ag right now, you see storm clouds on the horizon and some of those are a lot closer overhead than we'd care for," said Chad Hart, an agricultural economist with Iowa State University.

Trump's tariff threats earlier this year against China, Mexico, Canada and European Union elicited quick retaliatory measures that depressed the prices of certain U.S. agricultural products, including corn, soybeans, pork. When $34 billion worth of tariffs against China took effect July 6 and China responded with tariffs of its own, U.S. farmers were already feeling the squeeze from lower crop prices, higher land prices and other factors.

The Department of Agriculture predicted before the threat of tariffs and counter-tariffs that U.S. farm income would drop this year to $60 billion, or half the $120 billion of five years ago. That projection is likely high, given what's transpired since.

Don Bloss, who grows corn, soybeans, sorghum and wheat on his farm in the southeastern Nebraska community of Pawnee City, said he's already seen a few neighbors quit farming as they struggled to make a profit even before the tariff battle began this year.

"They aren't making money. One has said the banker is giving up on them," said Bloss.

John Weber, who raises pigs and grows corn and soybeans with his son about 100 miles northeast of Des Moines, near Dysart, said many farmers' budgets were already tight going into this growing season and the impact of tariffs has made it worse.

"Some were given the go-ahead for another year, but boy, you start looking at these lower prices and the extra costs that are out there now it gets tough. It just doesn't work," he said.

Per-bushel soybean prices have fallen 19 percent since early May to a 10-year low and corn is down more than 15 percent. At current prices, most farmers lose money on corn, soybeans and pigs.

U.S. pork producers stand to lose more than $2 billion per year because of plunging hog futures prices, the result of the Chinese retaliatory tariffs, according to Iowa State University economists' projections.

Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue has promised that Trump will restore farmer profitability but he hasn't specified how and some economists are skeptical that the administration can come up with the billions of dollars necessary to cover losses.

"If this continues and the USDA does not discover a way to helicopter in and drop buckets of cash into the corn belt this fall, then I would not be surprised if there are tractor parades going to DC at some point in the next year," said Scott Irwin, University of Illinois agricultural economist.

There's no sign of a quick resolution to the trade dispute. The U.S. and China have threatened to impose 25 percent tariffs next week on $16 billion of each other's goods. And on Tuesday, Trump announced plans to impose 10 percent tariffs on an additional $200 billion in Chinese imports by the end of August. China said it would retaliate, leaving even more U.S. farm products at risk.

Meanwhile, Trump's hardline immigration policies have been making it even harder to recruit workers for pork producers, who have historically relied on immigrants for a third of their workforce. The industry had been planning a rapid expansion due to growing export demand from China and Mexico, but the trade dispute and raids spring immigration raids on a Tennessee meatpacking plant and an Iowa concrete plant have worried pork producers.

"Skilled and unskilled foreign workers have been crucial to maintaining and growing the workforce and revitalizing rural communities across the United States. We need more of them, not less," Heimerl said.

The Trump administration's willingness to issue waivers exempting petroleum refineries from having to blend ethanol into their fuels has led to an estimated 250 million bushels of corn going unused, which contributed to lower corn prices.

"There's potential here for this to turn into the worst farm financial crisis since the 1980s," Irwin said.

Good read.

Prices for Soy, corn and pigs have been on a steady decline for a few years now. What I did not know is that Trump admin not adding ethanol to the fuel. I actually agree with that though. The carbon footprint is much greater when producing ethanol. This isn't so bad. We aren't subsidizing ethanol anymore?

Something that is interesting too is that China has complained about us making ethanol. They have voiced that the corn should be used for food and not fuel.

Bentleyspop · July 2018

In case everyone forgot here is an example of not only how to be presidential and a true American patriot but also how to be a mature adult and to care about others not just yourself......

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1019229099934519296?s=19

ikiT · July 2018

PATHETIC

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/07/16/rand-paul-reaction-trump-putin-summit-sot-tsr-vpx.cnn

PJ_Soul · July 2018

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Edved82 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Edved82 said:

Surely what he said today amounts to treason?

Just saying something like that isn't actually treason, is it?? I think you have to do more than that to commit that crime. I'm not saying he's not a traitor, just that him making a comment about America like that doesn't amount to it legally as far as I know. He can trash talk America and praise Russia all he wants without committing a crime, no?

treason
ˈtriːz(ə)n/
noun
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.

I dont know of the legalities of it, but I'm not sure how any right-minded American, Republican or Democrat, could stand behind what Trump did today. There should be an immediate bi-partisan backlash in Congress. He should be impeached.

Yes, of course. I think anyone who supports Trump now, or at any point in the past, is a complete asshole and stupid as hell. But so far he has not committed an act of treason........ that we know of, factually. Of course that doesn't mean he hasn't committed treason at some point. I was just responding to the comments about his words today amounting to an act of treason. They did not...... I actually really really wish they did, lol. Maybe then he'd actually get impeached.

Totally agree with you on “treason” but not on support. I am not stupid as hell or a complete asshole. The alternative choice matters. The alternative choice is not better.

Hm. Well, let's agree to disagree on that one.
As for you... you are just a grade-A troll by your own admission, so do not qualify either way.

I am a grade-A troll? I have admitted to this? I’m not sure where.

Don't you remember when you told us that you feel such an affinity for Trump because he is a massive troll? And I thanked you for finally coming clean so I could comfortably never take anything you say seriously again? I'm still appreciative!

Donald Trump

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