Malaysian Plane Possibly Shot Down?

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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    International/impartial?  A NATO military official standing before the world explaining vaguely how the bad guys are bad guys, while ignoring everything the bad guy says.   Doesn’t ring any bells does it?  And you take ownership of US bullshit, eh?  Lulz.

    Spare me the projections - don’t put words in my mouth.  I am aware that Putin is likely responsible for thousands of deaths.  I don’t need his opponents to define the circumstances for me.  Some people do, I guess.  You repeatedly bait and switch in these convos, never addressing anything specific.  Just personal jabs.  
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Show me the personal jabs? You seem to take it personal when your conspiracies get called out for the bs that they usually are. Not everything is a Western lead false flag attack my friend
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Oh none of your comments have been directed at me nor ‘my kind’?  they’ve all been topical? Pardon me for the misunderstanding.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    I’m trying to figure out if m2h has read anything about this at all, and has anything to contribute other than ‘tin foil.  Putin evil’.  


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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    RUSSIAN MH17 SUSPECT IDENTIFIED BY 'HIGH-PITCHED' VOICE

    http://www.newsweek.com/russian-mh17-suspect-identified-high-pitched-voice-946892
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    dignin said:

    RUSSIAN MH17 SUSPECT IDENTIFIED BY 'HIGH-PITCHED' VOICE

    http://www.newsweek.com/russian-mh17-suspect-identified-high-pitched-voice-946892
    So the suspect is a choirboy?
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    In Soviet Russia, plane shoots rocket down. Oopsy daisy. Just a bunch of dead tourists that a Russian warlord and good friend of Vlady shot down. Good times for the Russians for about 30 minutes until the dumbasses realized the killed a bunch of women and children 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    Russia Deployed Its Trolls to Cover Up the Murder of 298 People on MH17

    The same Putin-backed agency that hit the U.S. elections went into conspiracy-theory overdrive when Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine blew a Malaysian airliner out of the sky.


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/mh17-russia-deployed-its-trolls-to-cover-up-the-murder-of-298-people

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,455

     
    MH17 judgment day: Verdicts due against 4 suspects at trial
    By MIKE CORDER and RAF CASERT
    25 mins ago

    SCHIPHOL, Netherlands (AP) — In a courtroom packed with relatives of victims killed in the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, a Dutch judge began reading the verdict Thursday in the trial of three Russians and a Ukrainian on trial for their alleged roles in the aviation disaster.

    The verdict comes more than eight years after the Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was blown out of the sky over Ukraine, killing all 298 passengers and crew members. The midair explosion and crash on July 17, 2014 happened amid a conflict between pro-Russia rebels and Ukrainian forces.

    Presiding Judge Hendrik Steenhuis opened Thursday's hearing and said “the court takes the view that the MH17 was brought down by a Buk missile” launched from an agricultural field in eastern Ukraine.

    In another important finding, Steenhuis said that the court believed that Russia had overall control at the time of a separatist region in eastern Ukraine, the Donetsk People's Republic. The crash scattered wreckage and bodies over farmland and fields of sunflowers.

    The judge said he would go on to rule on other legal issues and the guilt or innocence of the suspects later in the hearing.

    Tension was high among families ahead of the hearing.

    “The truth on the table — that is the most important thing,” said Anton Kotte, who lost his son, daughter-in-law and his 6-year-old grandson when MH17 was shot down. He said the hearing was a “D-Day” for relatives.

    Robbert van Heijningen, who lost his brother, sister-in-law and nephew, called the downing “an act of barbarism” that he could never put behind him, regardless of the verdict.

    “I call it a stone in my heart, and stones ... don’t disappear,” he said.

    None of the suspects appeared for the trial that began in March 2020 and if they are convicted, it's unlikely they will serve any sentence anytime soon. Prosecutors have sought life sentences for all four. Prosecutors and the suspects have two weeks to file an appeal.

    The Hague District Court, sitting at a high-security courtroom at Schiphol Airport, is passing judgment against a backdrop of global geopolitical upheaval caused by Russia's full-blown invasion of Ukraine in February and the nearly nine-month war it triggered.

    Hundreds of family members of people killed traveled to the court to hear the verdict, bringing them back to the airport their loved ones left on the fateful day MH17 was shot down. Outside the court, planes could be heard taking off and landing nearby on a cold, gray day.

    Dutch prosecutors say the missile launcher came from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade, a unit of the Russian armed forces based in the Russian city of Kursk and was driven back there after MH17 was shot down.

    The suspects aren't accused of firing the missile but of working together to get it to the field where it was fired. They are accused of bringing down the plane and the murder of all those on board.

    The most senior defendant is Igor Girkin, a 51-year-old former colonel in Russia's Federal Security Service, or FSB. At the time of the downing, he was defense minister and commander of the armed forces of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic — the region where the plane was shot down. Girkin reportedly is currently involved in Russia’s war on Ukraine.

    Also on trial are Girkin's subordinates, Sergey Dubinskiy, Oleg Pulatov, and Leonid Kharchenko, a Ukrainian who prosecutors say was commander of a pro-Russia rebel combat unit and took orders directly from Dubinskiy.

    Pulatov is the only one of the suspects who was represented by defense lawyers at the trial. They accused prosecutors of “tunnel vision” in basing their case on the findings of an international investigation into the downing while ignoring other possible causes.

    Pulatov’s defense team also sought to discredit evidence and argued he didn’t get a fair trial.

    In a video recording played in court, Pulatov insisted he was innocent and told judges: “What matters to me is that the truth is revealed. It’s important for me that my country is not blamed for this tragedy.”


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  • mickeyrat
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    MH17 inquiry: 'Strong indications' Putin OK'd missile supply
    By MIKE CORDER
    1 hour ago

    THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — An international team of investigators said Wednesday it found “strong indications” that Russian President Vladimir Putin approved the supply of heavy anti-aircraft weapons to Ukrainian separatists who shot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in 2014 with a Russian missile.

    However, members of the Joint Investigation Team said they had insufficient evidence to prosecute Putin or any other suspects and they suspended their 8½-year inquiry into the shooting down that killed all 298 people on board the Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

    Russia has always denied any involvement in the downing of the flight over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, and refused to cooperate with the international investigation.

    Dutch prosecutors said that “there are strong indications that the Russian president decided on supplying” a Buk missile system — the weapon that downed MH17 — to Ukrainian separatists.

    “Although we speak of strong indications, the high bar of complete and conclusive evidence is not reached," Dutch prosecutor Digna van Boetzelaer said, adding that without Russian cooperation, “the investigation has now reached its limit. All leads have been exhausted.”

    She also said that, as head of state, Putin would have immunity from prosecution in the Netherlands. The team played a recording of an intercepted phone call in which they said Putin could be heard discussing the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

    “Are we disappointed? No, because we think we came further than we had ever thought in 2014. Would we have liked to come further? Of course, yes,” said Andy Kraag of the Dutch police.

    The team informed relatives of those killed in the downing of MH17 of their findings before making them public.

    “There was disappointment because ... they wanted to know why MH17 was shot down," Kraag said. "We’re really clear on what has happened, but the answer to the question why MH17 was shot down still remains in Russia.”

    Van Boetzelaer said that while the investigation is being suspended, phone lines will remain open for possible witnesses who may still want to provide evidence. If that happens, the inquiry could be reactivated.

    Russian officials say that a decision to provide rebels with military support over the summer of 2014 was in Putin’s hands.

    A decision to supply arms was even postponed for a week “because there is only one who makes a decision (…), the person who is currently at a summit in France,” the investigative team said, citing a phone conversation that was referring to Putin.

    Prosecutors said that at the time Putin was at a commemoration of D-Day in France.

    The announcement by the investigative team comes nearly three months after a Dutch court convicted two Russians and a Ukrainian rebel for their roles in shooting down the plane. One Russian was acquitted by the court.

    None of the suspects appeared for the trial and it was unclear if the three who were found guilty of multiple murders will ever serve their sentences.

    The convictions and the court's finding that the surface-to-air Buk missile came from a Russian military base were seen as a clear indication that Moscow had a role in the tragedy. Russia has always denied involvement. The Russian Foreign Ministry accused the court in November of bowing to pressure from Dutch politicians, prosecutors and the news media.

    But the November convictions held that Moscow was in overall control in 2014 over the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, the separatist area of eastern Ukraine where the missile was launched. The Buk missile system came from the Russian military's 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade, based in the city of Kursk.

    The Joint Investigation Team is made up of experts from the Netherlands, Australia, Malaysia, Belgium and Ukraine. Most of the victims were Dutch. It had continued to investigate the crew of the missile system that brought down the plane and those who ordered its deployment in Ukraine.

    As well as the criminal trial that was held in the Netherlands, the Dutch and Ukrainian governments are suing Russia at the European Court of Human Rights over its alleged role in the downing of MH17.

    The findings revealed Wednesday will likely strengthen the case at the human rights court and could also be used by prosecutors at the International Criminal Court who are investigating possible war crimes in Ukraine dating back to the start of the separatist conflict.

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    Follow the AP’s coverage of the war at https://apnews.com/hub/russia-ukraine


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