Malaysian Plane Possibly Shot Down?

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Tenzing N. said:

True but that's a very different and poor analogy. Obviously I have no idea what actually happened but based on the combined knowledge of this group we can make very informed assumptions. If I came in with a bullet hole in my arm could you not diagnose me with a gunshot wound? If my heart had stopped was I poisoned with cyanide or was it much more likely a heart attack?

At 33,000 feet how is it that they're going to know that this was a commercial airliner? Al they might know is that a plane of some sort is flying in our zone and that we are conflict situation. They might not have capability to send up military planes to confirm whether or not this was a military plane or commercial one. Either way nearly 300 lives have been snuffed out just like that.

One positive lining to all this, both may take more concerns to possibly bring some PEACE to this ongoing conflict.

Peace

callen

You fon

Tenzing N. said:

stickfig13 said:

Tenzing N. said:

I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.

Missile for something else? Are missiles just randomly targeting planes in the region?

No, not random but once you let one go you are counting on good initial targeting data and continual good tracking. Assuming this was a shady missile operator using second class missiles it would be very conceivable that the missile failed in some capacity. There is absolutely nothing to gain by downing a random commercial airliner.

You do not know this.

Tenzing N.

I'm no expert on missile systems and operators but I would assume that they could easily infer from altitude, speed, and radar size what type of plane it is.

dimitrispearljam

no fighting aircraft fly at 33.000..the main reason is not to mess with comercial flights and some other things with the weapon system and randar..forget the mistake ,"they thought was a fighter"
randar get signal from the heat of the aircrafts,the signal is different from big boing than an f-16..

dimitrispearljam

badbrains said:

Do u think they'd find bodies around the country side? I'm always wondering how come u never hear of any bodies being found. Do they all (300 people) just blow up on impact of the missle? I'm seriously asking. Does anybody have any info on other crashes where bodies we're found?

when airplanes crash at water. cos of the pressure ..bodies become Plankton,,means nothing left to be found...now an explosion at that 33.000...cos of missle or any other reason,create almost the same thing...usually bodies can found when the crash is on the ground

stickfig13

Tenzing N. said:

stickfig13 said:

Tenzing N. said:

I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.

Missile for something else? Are missiles just randomly targeting planes in the region?

No, not random but once you let one go you are counting on good initial targeting data and continual good tracking. Assuming this was a shady missile operator using second class missiles it would be very conceivable that the missile failed in some capacity. There is absolutely nothing to gain by downing a random commercial airliner.

Or taking down two building in NYC....

stickfig13

Tenzing N. said:

Yes, they will find most of the bodies. The process of dying as you are falling is not pleasant so you don't hear much about it. More than likely the missile hit one of the engines and the plane broke apart, spilling the people out as it broke up. They will also most likely be naked as you tend to shed clothes coming down. That combined with the carnage means you won't see the people.

Not to be a jerk, but have you ever died while falling? How are you such an expert on this crash that happened less than two hours ago?

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One of the passenger's tweeted this before the flight:



It translates to something like "in case it disapears, this is what it looks like"

Peace

dignin

Strelkov, leader of DNR
Strelkov confirms, that they shoot the plane. They mistook it for Ukrainian cargo plane. Upd. He removed that post.
Translation from /u/proterozoic :
We warned them not to fly in our sky. The birdie fell behind the earth dump, didn't affect inhabited areas. Peaceful civilians were not harmed

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswc4vNIAAAm25j.jpg

Edit: I copied and pasted this from another forum. Apparently a leader of the DNR claimed resposibility for shooting down the plane before realizing that it was a passenger jet. Then removed his post.

callen

dimitrispearljam said:

no fighting aircraft fly at 33.000..the main reason is not to mess with comercial flights and some other things with the weapon system and randar..forget the mistake ,"they thought was a fighter"
randar get signal from the heat of the aircrafts,the signal is different from big boing than an f-16..

Greetings Dimi. You know if they have to set altitude prior to launch?

dignin

This is the place where I go to for my updates.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2ayjwz/malaysian_plane_crashes_over_the_ukraine/

dimitrispearljam

callen said:

dimitrispearljam said:

no fighting aircraft fly at 33.000..the main reason is not to mess with comercial flights and some other things with the weapon system and randar..forget the mistake ,"they thought was a fighter"
randar get signal from the heat of the aircrafts,the signal is different from big boing than an f-16..

Greetings Dimi. You know if they have to set altitude prior to launch?

if i understand well.u are aking if those fire the missle need to do that ,yes..and we are talking about high technology radar,to hit a target up there..u need to have all the infos to hit the target..his speed,altitude ,countermeasures..ill say simple..a normal army have this technology..
for exable,hamas,or any other group .non-goverment..those rebel groups up there ,its imposible to have this power to do all this

dimitrispearljam

23 was americans 9 british,4 from france..in the plane

Jason P

Reports say that air travel through that region was closed to civilian flights by the Ukraine and it appears the flight drifted off its original course. The FAA had banned flights from that region since last April.

dimitrispearljam

Jason P said:

Reports say that air travel through that region was closed to civilian flights by the Ukraine and it appears the flight drifted off its original course. The FAA had banned flights from that region since last April.

i heard that too,but they said they open the last 3 days something for some flights..

Jason P

I imagine someone is activily looking for the black box without the best intentions.

Tenzing N.

stickfig13 said:

Tenzing N. said:

Yes, they will find most of the bodies. The process of dying as you are falling is not pleasant so you don't hear much about it. More than likely the missile hit one of the engines and the plane broke apart, spilling the people out as it broke up. They will also most likely be naked as you tend to shed clothes coming down. That combined with the carnage means you won't see the people.

Not to be a jerk, but have you ever died while falling? How are you such an expert on this crash that happened less than two hours ago?

multiple crash investigation courses and industry access to crash sites informs me. Many aspects of a crash are the same regardless of the specific circumstances. But whatever... I guess when an expert on air safety and aviation tries to give information here its going to be a waste of time.

FrankieG

http://abcnews.go.com/International/malaysian-air-loses-contact-passenger-plane-ukraine/story?id=24599558

Ukrainian officials called "an act of terrorism"

Last-12-Exit

This is just a horrible, horrible story. Combine this with isreal starting a ground war, well, all I can say is what have we become.

badbrains

And the "bodies" question has been answered. They've started to collect bodies they've found along the country side. I agree last12, what a shitty shitty day.