Malaysian Plane Possibly Shot Down?

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edited July 2014 in A Moving Train
http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/07/malaysian-passenger-plane-crashes-in-ukraine-near-russian-border/374616/

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Please say it not so, 295 possibly killed.

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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    I'm not sure what would be worse:

    A) It was shot down
    or
    B) Malaysian Airlines pilots are just going to start downing planes every few months
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    (I hope it was just a legitimate accident)
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    BinFrog said:

    I'm not sure what would be worse:

    A) It was shot down
    or
    B) Malaysian Airlines pilots are just going to start downing planes every few months

    yeah..i was thinking the same
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    They are saying it was shot down by a missile. Not good. This could escalate very quickly.
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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,910
    Unreal. How the fuck do you shoot down a commercial airliner??
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,540
    Where the fuck are the authorities on this. People posting pics on Instagram standing on the wreckage? WTF!!!
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,910
    elvistheking44 said:

    Where the fuck are the authorities on this. People posting pics on Instagram standing on the wreckage? WTF!!!

    Apparently there is wreckage all over the place....this is crazy.
  • Tenzing N.
    Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    This was not on purpose. The missile was almost certainly directed at something else and it made a mistake. Also, the news is going to get wrapped around the fact that a civilian aircraft was flying in/over a war zone. It's very common to transit a war zone. Generally you wouldn't avoid an area unless there's a specific prohibition against flying in an area. Flights of this duration can't afford to circumnavigate entire countries, too costly in terms of fuel and time.
  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Tenzing N. said:

    This was not on purpose. The missile was almost certainly directed at something else and it made a mistake. Also, the news is going to get wrapped around the fact that a civilian aircraft was flying in/over a war zone. It's very common to transit a war zone. Generally you wouldn't avoid an area unless there's a specific prohibition against flying in an area. Flights of this duration can't afford to circumnavigate entire countries, too costly in terms of fuel and time.



    How does one make this conclusion already?
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  • Tenzing N.
    Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.
  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.


    Missile for something else? Are missiles just randomly targeting planes in the region?
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    let's see....2 passenger Malaysian jets....ummmmmmm little wired don't ya think ? but one things for sure,there's no hiding this one...

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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    seems was by missle...now there are some things easy to understand.....this type of missle hit target in that high ,well,a normal army has those..rebels cant have that.
    the airplane wreckage are all over the area..another thing says that was explode on air or hit on air..signal dissapear right away,no sos,no radio problem
    the area was war zone and said lately that they open an air window for commercial flights..
    those shit must stop...more innocent people get killed every fuckin day...
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.

    I'm surrounded by doctors all day, but I'm not going to diagnose you with anything...I don't have the facts and I'm not a doctor.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,305
    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.

    Could it be that whoever shot the plane down mistook it for a military plane? If it's true the plane was at 33,000 feet, it would take a large rocket if it was shot down with SAM.
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  • Tenzing N.
    Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    True but that's a very different and poor analogy. Obviously I have no idea what actually happened but based on the combined knowledge of this group we can make very informed assumptions. If I came in with a bullet hole in my arm could you not diagnose me with a gunshot wound? If my heart had stopped was I poisoned with cyanide or was it much more likely a heart attack?
  • Tenzing N.
    Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    stickfig13 said:

    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.


    Missile for something else? Are missiles just randomly targeting planes in the region?
    No, not random but once you let one go you are counting on good initial targeting data and continual good tracking. Assuming this was a shady missile operator using second class missiles it would be very conceivable that the missile failed in some capacity. There is absolutely nothing to gain by downing a random commercial airliner.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'll wait for further information.

    Meantime, close to 300 lives...poof.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Do u think they'd find bodies around the country side? I'm always wondering how come u never hear of any bodies being found. Do they all (300 people) just blow up on impact of the missle? I'm seriously asking. Does anybody have any info on other crashes where bodies we're found?
  • Tenzing N.
    Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    Yes, they will find most of the bodies. The process of dying as you are falling is not pleasant so you don't hear much about it. More than likely the missile hit one of the engines and the plane broke apart, spilling the people out as it broke up. They will also most likely be naked as you tend to shed clothes coming down. That combined with the carnage means you won't see the people.

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