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Malaysian Plane Possibly Shot Down?

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edited July 2014 in A Moving Train
http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/07/malaysian-passenger-plane-crashes-in-ukraine-near-russian-border/374616/

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Please say it not so, 295 possibly killed.

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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    I'm not sure what would be worse:

    A) It was shot down
    or
    B) Malaysian Airlines pilots are just going to start downing planes every few months
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    (I hope it was just a legitimate accident)
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    BinFrog said:

    I'm not sure what would be worse:

    A) It was shot down
    or
    B) Malaysian Airlines pilots are just going to start downing planes every few months

    yeah..i was thinking the same
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    They are saying it was shot down by a missile. Not good. This could escalate very quickly.
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Posts: 14,844
    Unreal. How the fuck do you shoot down a commercial airliner??
  • elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 4,409
    Where the fuck are the authorities on this. People posting pics on Instagram standing on the wreckage? WTF!!!
  • Indifference71Indifference71 Posts: 14,844
    elvistheking44 said:

    Where the fuck are the authorities on this. People posting pics on Instagram standing on the wreckage? WTF!!!

    Apparently there is wreckage all over the place....this is crazy.
  • Tenzing N.Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    This was not on purpose. The missile was almost certainly directed at something else and it made a mistake. Also, the news is going to get wrapped around the fact that a civilian aircraft was flying in/over a war zone. It's very common to transit a war zone. Generally you wouldn't avoid an area unless there's a specific prohibition against flying in an area. Flights of this duration can't afford to circumnavigate entire countries, too costly in terms of fuel and time.
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Tenzing N. said:

    This was not on purpose. The missile was almost certainly directed at something else and it made a mistake. Also, the news is going to get wrapped around the fact that a civilian aircraft was flying in/over a war zone. It's very common to transit a war zone. Generally you wouldn't avoid an area unless there's a specific prohibition against flying in an area. Flights of this duration can't afford to circumnavigate entire countries, too costly in terms of fuel and time.



    How does one make this conclusion already?
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  • Tenzing N.Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.
  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.


    Missile for something else? Are missiles just randomly targeting planes in the region?
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    let's see....2 passenger Malaysian jets....ummmmmmm little wired don't ya think ? but one things for sure,there's no hiding this one...

    Godfather.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    seems was by missle...now there are some things easy to understand.....this type of missle hit target in that high ,well,a normal army has those..rebels cant have that.
    the airplane wreckage are all over the area..another thing says that was explode on air or hit on air..signal dissapear right away,no sos,no radio problem
    the area was war zone and said lately that they open an air window for commercial flights..
    those shit must stop...more innocent people get killed every fuckin day...
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.

    I'm surrounded by doctors all day, but I'm not going to diagnose you with anything...I don't have the facts and I'm not a doctor.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.

    Could it be that whoever shot the plane down mistook it for a military plane? If it's true the plane was at 33,000 feet, it would take a large rocket if it was shot down with SAM.
  • Tenzing N.Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    True but that's a very different and poor analogy. Obviously I have no idea what actually happened but based on the combined knowledge of this group we can make very informed assumptions. If I came in with a bullet hole in my arm could you not diagnose me with a gunshot wound? If my heart had stopped was I poisoned with cyanide or was it much more likely a heart attack?
  • Tenzing N.Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    stickfig13 said:

    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.


    Missile for something else? Are missiles just randomly targeting planes in the region?
    No, not random but once you let one go you are counting on good initial targeting data and continual good tracking. Assuming this was a shady missile operator using second class missiles it would be very conceivable that the missile failed in some capacity. There is absolutely nothing to gain by downing a random commercial airliner.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'll wait for further information.

    Meantime, close to 300 lives...poof.
  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Do u think they'd find bodies around the country side? I'm always wondering how come u never hear of any bodies being found. Do they all (300 people) just blow up on impact of the missle? I'm seriously asking. Does anybody have any info on other crashes where bodies we're found?
  • Tenzing N.Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    Yes, they will find most of the bodies. The process of dying as you are falling is not pleasant so you don't hear much about it. More than likely the missile hit one of the engines and the plane broke apart, spilling the people out as it broke up. They will also most likely be naked as you tend to shed clothes coming down. That combined with the carnage means you won't see the people.
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    Tenzing N. said:

    True but that's a very different and poor analogy. Obviously I have no idea what actually happened but based on the combined knowledge of this group we can make very informed assumptions. If I came in with a bullet hole in my arm could you not diagnose me with a gunshot wound? If my heart had stopped was I poisoned with cyanide or was it much more likely a heart attack?

    At 33,000 feet how is it that they're going to know that this was a commercial airliner? Al they might know is that a plane of some sort is flying in our zone and that we are conflict situation. They might not have capability to send up military planes to confirm whether or not this was a military plane or commercial one. Either way nearly 300 lives have been snuffed out just like that.

    One positive lining to all this, both may take more concerns to possibly bring some PEACE to this ongoing conflict.

    Peace

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    You fon
    Tenzing N. said:

    stickfig13 said:

    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.


    Missile for something else? Are missiles just randomly targeting planes in the region?
    No, not random but once you let one go you are counting on good initial targeting data and continual good tracking. Assuming this was a shady missile operator using second class missiles it would be very conceivable that the missile failed in some capacity. There is absolutely nothing to gain by downing a random commercial airliner.
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  • Tenzing N.Tenzing N. Posts: 466
    I'm no expert on missile systems and operators but I would assume that they could easily infer from altitude, speed, and radar size what type of plane it is.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    no fighting aircraft fly at 33.000..the main reason is not to mess with comercial flights and some other things with the weapon system and randar..forget the mistake ,"they thought was a fighter"
    randar get signal from the heat of the aircrafts,the signal is different from big boing than an f-16..
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    badbrains said:

    Do u think they'd find bodies around the country side? I'm always wondering how come u never hear of any bodies being found. Do they all (300 people) just blow up on impact of the missle? I'm seriously asking. Does anybody have any info on other crashes where bodies we're found?

    when airplanes crash at water. cos of the pressure ..bodies become Plankton,,means nothing left to be found...now an explosion at that 33.000...cos of missle or any other reason,create almost the same thing...usually bodies can found when the crash is on the ground
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Tenzing N. said:

    stickfig13 said:

    Tenzing N. said:

    I'm sitting in a center surrounded by pilots who have all operated large commercial aircraft and served in multiple military roles over the course of dozens and dozens of years. It's obviously an argument from authority but you'd have to admit that my resources are much more extensive than nothing you are hearing on the news.


    Missile for something else? Are missiles just randomly targeting planes in the region?
    No, not random but once you let one go you are counting on good initial targeting data and continual good tracking. Assuming this was a shady missile operator using second class missiles it would be very conceivable that the missile failed in some capacity. There is absolutely nothing to gain by downing a random commercial airliner.
    Or taking down two building in NYC....
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  • stickfig13stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    Tenzing N. said:

    Yes, they will find most of the bodies. The process of dying as you are falling is not pleasant so you don't hear much about it. More than likely the missile hit one of the engines and the plane broke apart, spilling the people out as it broke up. They will also most likely be naked as you tend to shed clothes coming down. That combined with the carnage means you won't see the people.


    Not to be a jerk, but have you ever died while falling? How are you such an expert on this crash that happened less than two hours ago?
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196

    One of the passenger's tweeted this before the flight:

    image

    It translates to something like "in case it disapears, this is what it looks like"

    Peace
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    edited July 2014
    Strelkov, leader of DNR
    Strelkov confirms, that they shoot the plane. They mistook it for Ukrainian cargo plane. Upd. He removed that post.
    Translation from /u/proterozoic :
    We warned them not to fly in our sky. The birdie fell behind the earth dump, didn't affect inhabited areas. Peaceful civilians were not harmed

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswc4vNIAAAm25j.jpg

    Edit: I copied and pasted this from another forum. Apparently a leader of the DNR claimed resposibility for shooting down the plane before realizing that it was a passenger jet. Then removed his post.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    dimitrispearljam said:

    no fighting aircraft fly at 33.000..the main reason is not to mess with comercial flights and some other things with the weapon system and randar..forget the mistake ,"they thought was a fighter"
    randar get signal from the heat of the aircrafts,the signal is different from big boing than an f-16..

    Greetings Dimi. You know if they have to set altitude prior to launch?
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