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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    my2hands said:
    RYME said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    RYME said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up.  That my friend is reality.


    It probably won't be today or tomorrow but You'll see. :)

    What have you seen thats so special?
    2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 spells it out pretty well.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    RYME said:
    my2hands said:
    RYME said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    RYME said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up.  That my friend is reality.


    It probably won't be today or tomorrow but You'll see. :)

    What have you seen thats so special?
    2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 spells it out pretty well.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=KJV
    How about in your words my friend?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from).  My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture".  In fact,  according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby.  And according to this article:


    the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

    I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run.  According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.



    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    What if God was one of us?
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    edited May 2018
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    What if God was one of us?
    For a while there was a thread titled "McCready is God".  Do you suppose they were on to something?  I don't think Mike is the world's greatest guitar player, but he's damn good (oops, sorry, God) and he'd make a fine god, wouldn't you say?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    brianlux said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    What if God was one of us?
    For a while there was a thread titled "McCready is God".  Do you suppose they were on to something?  I don't think Mike is the world's greatest guitar player, but he's damn good (oops, sorry, God) and he'd make a fine god, wouldn't you say?
    He's pretty good.
    Was trying to start a sing along... lol
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited May 2018
    brianlux said:
    What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from).  My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture".  In fact,  according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby.  And according to this article:


    the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

    I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run.  According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.



    No Brian there is no rapture.
    The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
    The Rapture Theory started around 1830  because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
    Post edited by RYME on
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical. 

    i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.  
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    edited May 2018
    RYME said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    You are in for an enormous unfathomable wake up call one of these days pjsoul, just giving you the heads-up.  That my friend is reality.
    and this is the other end of the "I know the unknowable" spectrum. 
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    What if God was one of us?
    isn't that a song?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical. 

    i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.  
    I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two.
    One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability.
    The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    just to expand on this, the same could be said about aliens. I think it is unfathomable that they DON'T exist, however, I find it just as unfathomable that they've been here without the masses knowing about it while the government does (if they have the technology to get here, surely they have the superior intellect/resources to avoid capture by puny humans). yet, there are people, many people, that swear they've had an extra-terrestrial encounter. others in the military that swear they've been to bunkers with aliens imprisoned. I'm not going to sit here on my soapbox and tell someone they are full of shit just because I haven't personally experienced it. I think it's entirely possible they are telling the truth. I also think it's entirely possible they experienced something else entirely. 

    my point is, there's no way for me to know either way. there's no way for anyone to know. belief and knowledge are two different things. language is important. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from).  My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture".  In fact,  according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby.  And according to this article:


    the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

    I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run.  According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.



    No Brian there is no rapture.
    The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
    The Rapture Theory started around 1830  because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
    Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!

    If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    rgambs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical. 

    i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.  
    I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two.
    One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability.
    The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
    I'm not talking about religion. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    rgambs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical. 

    i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.  
    I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two.
    One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability.
    The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
    https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/physicists-find-we-re-not-living-in-a-computer-simulation
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    rgambs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical. 

    i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.  
    I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two.
    One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability.
    The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
    in essence, if we are living in a simulation, that would make the programmer "god" (or more specifically, "the creator"). so how you can say there is no god but there is a creator IS in fact a contradictory statement. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    so does that make it possible that the characters in video games are self-aware? LOL
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    brianlux said:
    What RYME is referring to I'm pretty sure is The Rapture (there is actually no reference to the word "rapture" in the Bible- I'm not sure where that term comes from).  My understanding is that many chuches no longer teach about a "Rapture".  In fact,  according to the article linked below, the concept was invented by a man named John Darby.  And according to this article:


    the Rapture has not been taught in Christian churches for 90% of church history.

    I guess anything is possible and I would not go so far as to personally insult anyone who believes in it, but I would say that this kind of teaching/thinking probably does more harm than good in the long run.  According to Christianity Today, only 1/3 of pastors believe Christians will be raptured.



    No Brian there is no rapture.
    The word rapture isn't in the Bible.
    The Rapture Theory started around 1830  because of a woman name that Margaret McDonald.
    Oops, sorry for the mistaken assumption, RYME!

    If not the Rapture, what were you referring to if I might ask?
    I'll take a guess.  When we get rejected at the pearly gates?


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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rgambs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical. 

    i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.  
    I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two.
    One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability.
    The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
    in essence, if we are living in a simulation, that would make the programmer "god" (or more specifically, "the creator"). so how you can say there is no god but there is a creator IS in fact a contradictory statement. 
    But Hawking's theory had nothing to do with a programmed simulation, that's an incorrect and lay way of describing it and it convolutes the meaning entirely.  
    It is about "holographic projection", yes, but that's only a way of describing a mathematical model that people can understand, it isn't literal.

    It's that huge distance between devising concrete notions of creation by a sentient God and searching endlessly for new and more accurate ways of describing the universe as we understand it that makes such a huge difference in the rationality of believing.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    rgambs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    rgambs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And I choose logic, and therefore assert that the concept of the existence of God is ludicrous. I can be 100% secure and confident in that assertion. But you seem to have a problem with that, even though you make the exact same claim about your ideas.
    so the concept of the existence of god is illogical to you, but the idea we are living in a holographic simulation is perfectly logical. 

    i cannot really fathom how you don't see how utterly contradictory those statements are.  
    I can't fathom how you fail to see the difference in the two.
    One is a theoey based on advanced and incredible volumes of collected and tested knowledge from a rigourous system of reason, logic, and accountability.
    The other is a proclaimed certainty delivered by revelation which is utterly fraught with contradictions and glaring impossibilities.
    in essence, if we are living in a simulation, that would make the programmer "god" (or more specifically, "the creator"). so how you can say there is no god but there is a creator IS in fact a contradictory statement. 
    But Hawking's theory had nothing to do with a programmed simulation, that's an incorrect and lay way of describing it and it convolutes the meaning entirely.  
    It is about "holographic projection", yes, but that's only a way of describing a mathematical model that people can understand, it isn't literal.

    It's that huge distance between devising concrete notions of creation by a sentient God and searching endlessly for new and more accurate ways of describing the universe as we understand it that makes such a huge difference in the rationality of believing.
    I have no problem admitting you have lost me here, gambs. 
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