I have a question about guns

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mickeyrat said:
    LongestRoad said:
    rgambs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    How come there were no school shootings when guns have been around in America with access to them and in the past
    before violent television and especially video games with lots of guns and gun fights, that we have no problem
    whatsoever buying for and allowing our children to play??
    Kids go on emotions and they don't fully understand death yet we give them access to this violence. How come no one is protesting this?
    Why stop at TV and video games?  
    Why not magazines and books?
    They used to execute people in public.

    What about boxing and wrestling?

    Depictions of violence have always existed and they've made the reasonable scapegoat that people with an agenda want to believe they are.
    Watching gun fights on television and playing video games where you're shooting people are much more intense. And who has an agenda? The people who want to take our guns so they can control us? Look at history to know what's happened to people who allowed their governments to take their guns. I don't believe people should want to own machine guns but we should start putting the blame on the violence that the children today are subjected to on a daily basis through the video games and violent shows. 
    those kinds of games, movies and shows are available in other countries that dont seem to have this problem.......... how do you explain that?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5566689/London-murder-rate-overtakes-New-York-time-including-11-killings-just-16-days.html
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited April 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    mickeyrat said:
    LongestRoad said:
    rgambs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    How come there were no school shootings when guns have been around in America with access to them and in the past
    before violent television and especially video games with lots of guns and gun fights, that we have no problem
    whatsoever buying for and allowing our children to play??
    Kids go on emotions and they don't fully understand death yet we give them access to this violence. How come no one is protesting this?
    Why stop at TV and video games?  
    Why not magazines and books?
    They used to execute people in public.

    What about boxing and wrestling?

    Depictions of violence have always existed and they've made the reasonable scapegoat that people with an agenda want to believe they are.
    Watching gun fights on television and playing video games where you're shooting people are much more intense. And who has an agenda? The people who want to take our guns so they can control us? Look at history to know what's happened to people who allowed their governments to take their guns. I don't believe people should want to own machine guns but we should start putting the blame on the violence that the children today are subjected to on a daily basis through the video games and violent shows. 
    those kinds of games, movies and shows are available in other countries that dont seem to have this problem.......... how do you explain that?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5566689/London-murder-rate-overtakes-New-York-time-including-11-killings-just-16-days.html

    But then again, there's this..

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43628494

    Fairly ridiculous to take the murder rates of two cities, over only two months, when there's all that other data out there. Two months. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Seems also that someone recently said something about anomalies and not drawing many conclusions from them.....
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  • brianlux
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    LongestRoad said:
    How come there were no school shootings when guns have been around in America with access to them and in the past
    before violent television and especially video games with lots of guns and gun fights, that we have no problem
    whatsoever buying for and allowing our children to play??
    Kids go on emotions and they don't fully understand death yet we give them access to this violence. How come no one is protesting this?
    I (and surely many others like me) have made numerous observations about how violence in film and gaming is a big part of our obsession with violence and its affect on behavior.  That is certainly one part of the equation.

    elvistheking44 said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Thank the NRA.
    Wrong.
    I would not go so far as to say all NRA members are part of the problem.  I personally know some who are very responsible people who care about life, especially the lives of children.  But because the NRA has allowed it most vocal spokespersons and its general protocol to resist common sense solutions like banning assault rifles and increasing background checks (etc.!),  the NRA must be considered a major part of the problem.  I don't see how one could argue that. 
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited April 2018
    But, but, but... if we give up our guns the black helicopters will swoop in.... history shows us this!!!! FEAR!!!!!

    my country is hopeless... but I dont have kids so i honestly dont give AF at this point.... so feel free to cling to your guns 
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    LongestRoad said:
    rgambs said:
    LongestRoad said:
    How come there were no school shootings when guns have been around in America with access to them and in the past
    before violent television and especially video games with lots of guns and gun fights, that we have no problem
    whatsoever buying for and allowing our children to play??
    Kids go on emotions and they don't fully understand death yet we give them access to this violence. How come no one is protesting this?
    Why stop at TV and video games?  
    Why not magazines and books?
    They used to execute people in public.

    What about boxing and wrestling?

    Depictions of violence have always existed and they've made the reasonable scapegoat that people with an agenda want to believe they are.
    Watching gun fights on television and playing video games where you're shooting people are much more intense. And who has an agenda? The people who want to take our guns so they can control us? Look at history to know what's happened to people who allowed their governments to take their guns. I don't believe people should want to own machine guns but we should start putting the blame on the violence that the children today are subjected to on a daily basis through the video games and violent shows. 
    Society is a system with so many interrelated variables. The best we can hope for is get a good sense of the various root causes of your violent nation, and address them based on what the nation can control, the funds required to change those root causes, and the impact those root causes have (proportionally) to the unwanted current reality.

    To discuss what “the culprit” is for this reality is distracts all parties from making any meaningful moves. 
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  • eddiec
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    LongestRoad said:
    How come there were no school shootings when guns have been around in America with access to them and in the past
    before violent television and especially video games with lots of guns and gun fights, that we have no problem
    whatsoever buying for and allowing our children to play??
    Kids go on emotions and they don't fully understand death yet we give them access to this violence. How come no one is protesting this?
    No one is protesting video games because they are not the root of the problem.
  • Go Beavers
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    mace1229 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    mace1229 said:
    I didn't say juvenile crime is on the rise. Just that some of the factors that contribute to crime are (and actually, some of them are on a slight decline, but no where near where they were 30 or 40 years ago). There are lots of other factors of course.
    Every source about homes I've ever seen always state poverty and broken homes are more common with crimes.
    These are the first 3 Google searches with broken homes, all state it as a contributing factor in crime. I don't think I've ever heard anyone actually deny a connection between the two before.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8109184/Children-from-broken-homes-nine-times-more-likely-to-commit-crimes.html

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201308/poverty-broken-homes-violence-the-making-gang-member

    https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/report/the-real-root-causes-violent-crime-the-breakdown-marriage-family-and
    There’s definitely a correllation, but I guess I’m wondering about What people’s next step in their thinking is. To me what’s important is how kids and parent’s are successful in a single parent home, because obviously this happens. The kid’s success can depend a lot on whether or not they’re in poverty, access to resources and opportunity, and having other quality relationships where they feel connected. 

    What irks me is that often a conservative looks at the single parent home statistic from a good ol days myth perspective and start coming down on feminist ideals and encourage outdated gender roles in some attempt to maintain the traditional nuclear family. 

    I don't think conservatives look down on feminist ideas. Half of the group you're referring to are women. I think many do look down on bad decisions. They look down on the dead-beat dads and the 20-something single mom with 6 kids and no way to support them. But I would disagree that they look down the feminist ideas.It is very difficult financially to have a stay-at-home-mom these days, and most conservative households have working moms.
    There’s a large group, that includes conservative women, who reject the feminist label because of what they associate with it. It includes being pro-choice, but they also see it as a direct attack on the family. This is all woven into conservative Christianity. It a reason a lot of Republicans rail against public assistance. They claim the government is trying to replace the family. They associate a lot of societal ills with single parent households, so naturally this is just another way we liberals are destroying the country. 

    And while the majority of women are left or lean left, the majority of white women voted for trump. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mace1229 said:
    Halifax mentioned parenting. I would agree that has to be part of the problem. Parenting is completely different now than it was 50 years ago. In the 50s and 60s most families had one parent (the mom) always at home. There is no way I can be convinced it doesn't have an impact when most kids go home to an empty house compared to one with always one parent.
    Other factors would include number of broken homes on the rise compared to several decades ago. Again, this causes a lot of conflict and stress on the children. Its commonly knowledge there is a direct correlation between broken homes and crime, it only makes since this carries over to gun violence too.
    Internet plays a role with social media and bullying that is 24/7. Social media is linked to depression and anxiety and isolating kids. 
    Number of kids on antidepressants has increased, probably linked to all of the reasons above. The home is o where near where it was when my parents grew up.
    One of the only things that is the same are guns. Guns were readily available then, and actually easier to get. They've only become more difficult to obtain, you can't go to the local hardware store and walk out with a gun anymore. Kids grew up with gunslingers as heroes. Instead of dancing puppets, kid shows were cowboys shooting bad guys. So I don't buy into this gun culture being new either. Its been around. The kids and homes have changed.
    All that being said, I've said before I'm for gun control. I just don't think gun are the root of the problem.
    I often see this "broken home" defence, but I don't think it holds water. if a family should be broken, it should break. back then, people stayed together because of societal pressure. The stress THAT puts on a child is immense. arguments, possible abuse, and even just unhappiness between parents kids pick up on. My wife can attest in her career, and so can my sister, to how much better and happier a child is once a marital split that was a long time coming actually comes. 

    my parents are still together, so i can't speak from experience. all I know is that when they WERE having issues back in the lean 80's, sometimes I WISHED they'd split up just so they'd stop fucking fighting, and they weren't even that bad. and that was a marriage that was WORTH saving. 
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  • Go Beavers
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax mentioned parenting. I would agree that has to be part of the problem. Parenting is completely different now than it was 50 years ago. In the 50s and 60s most families had one parent (the mom) always at home. There is no way I can be convinced it doesn't have an impact when most kids go home to an empty house compared to one with always one parent.
    Other factors would include number of broken homes on the rise compared to several decades ago. Again, this causes a lot of conflict and stress on the children. Its commonly knowledge there is a direct correlation between broken homes and crime, it only makes since this carries over to gun violence too.
    Internet plays a role with social media and bullying that is 24/7. Social media is linked to depression and anxiety and isolating kids. 
    Number of kids on antidepressants has increased, probably linked to all of the reasons above. The home is o where near where it was when my parents grew up.
    One of the only things that is the same are guns. Guns were readily available then, and actually easier to get. They've only become more difficult to obtain, you can't go to the local hardware store and walk out with a gun anymore. Kids grew up with gunslingers as heroes. Instead of dancing puppets, kid shows were cowboys shooting bad guys. So I don't buy into this gun culture being new either. Its been around. The kids and homes have changed.
    All that being said, I've said before I'm for gun control. I just don't think gun are the root of the problem.
    I often see this "broken home" defence, but I don't think it holds water. if a family should be broken, it should break. back then, people stayed together because of societal pressure. The stress THAT puts on a child is immense. arguments, possible abuse, and even just unhappiness between parents kids pick up on. My wife can attest in her career, and so can my sister, to how much better and happier a child is once a marital split that was a long time coming actually comes. 

    my parents are still together, so i can't speak from experience. all I know is that when they WERE having issues back in the lean 80's, sometimes I WISHED they'd split up just so they'd stop fucking fighting, and they weren't even that bad. and that was a marriage that was WORTH saving. 
    There significant research that supports that the notion of ‘staying together for the kids’ is actually unhealthy for the kids. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Go Beavers said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax mentioned parenting. I would agree that has to be part of the problem. Parenting is completely different now than it was 50 years ago. In the 50s and 60s most families had one parent (the mom) always at home. There is no way I can be convinced it doesn't have an impact when most kids go home to an empty house compared to one with always one parent.
    Other factors would include number of broken homes on the rise compared to several decades ago. Again, this causes a lot of conflict and stress on the children. Its commonly knowledge there is a direct correlation between broken homes and crime, it only makes since this carries over to gun violence too.
    Internet plays a role with social media and bullying that is 24/7. Social media is linked to depression and anxiety and isolating kids. 
    Number of kids on antidepressants has increased, probably linked to all of the reasons above. The home is o where near where it was when my parents grew up.
    One of the only things that is the same are guns. Guns were readily available then, and actually easier to get. They've only become more difficult to obtain, you can't go to the local hardware store and walk out with a gun anymore. Kids grew up with gunslingers as heroes. Instead of dancing puppets, kid shows were cowboys shooting bad guys. So I don't buy into this gun culture being new either. Its been around. The kids and homes have changed.
    All that being said, I've said before I'm for gun control. I just don't think gun are the root of the problem.
    I often see this "broken home" defence, but I don't think it holds water. if a family should be broken, it should break. back then, people stayed together because of societal pressure. The stress THAT puts on a child is immense. arguments, possible abuse, and even just unhappiness between parents kids pick up on. My wife can attest in her career, and so can my sister, to how much better and happier a child is once a marital split that was a long time coming actually comes. 

    my parents are still together, so i can't speak from experience. all I know is that when they WERE having issues back in the lean 80's, sometimes I WISHED they'd split up just so they'd stop fucking fighting, and they weren't even that bad. and that was a marriage that was WORTH saving. 
    There significant research that supports that the notion of ‘staying together for the kids’ is actually unhealthy for the kids. 
    I’d also fathom that the rates of domestic abuse and child physical and sexual abuse, along with murders committed with guns, were higher in the 50s-70s and 80s. The Leave It To Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet depictions of the ideal family unit are and were a myth.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Go Beavers said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mace1229 said:
    Halifax mentioned parenting. I would agree that has to be part of the problem. Parenting is completely different now than it was 50 years ago. In the 50s and 60s most families had one parent (the mom) always at home. There is no way I can be convinced it doesn't have an impact when most kids go home to an empty house compared to one with always one parent.
    Other factors would include number of broken homes on the rise compared to several decades ago. Again, this causes a lot of conflict and stress on the children. Its commonly knowledge there is a direct correlation between broken homes and crime, it only makes since this carries over to gun violence too.
    Internet plays a role with social media and bullying that is 24/7. Social media is linked to depression and anxiety and isolating kids. 
    Number of kids on antidepressants has increased, probably linked to all of the reasons above. The home is o where near where it was when my parents grew up.
    One of the only things that is the same are guns. Guns were readily available then, and actually easier to get. They've only become more difficult to obtain, you can't go to the local hardware store and walk out with a gun anymore. Kids grew up with gunslingers as heroes. Instead of dancing puppets, kid shows were cowboys shooting bad guys. So I don't buy into this gun culture being new either. Its been around. The kids and homes have changed.
    All that being said, I've said before I'm for gun control. I just don't think gun are the root of the problem.
    I often see this "broken home" defence, but I don't think it holds water. if a family should be broken, it should break. back then, people stayed together because of societal pressure. The stress THAT puts on a child is immense. arguments, possible abuse, and even just unhappiness between parents kids pick up on. My wife can attest in her career, and so can my sister, to how much better and happier a child is once a marital split that was a long time coming actually comes. 

    my parents are still together, so i can't speak from experience. all I know is that when they WERE having issues back in the lean 80's, sometimes I WISHED they'd split up just so they'd stop fucking fighting, and they weren't even that bad. and that was a marriage that was WORTH saving. 
    There significant research that supports that the notion of ‘staying together for the kids’ is actually unhealthy for the kids. 
    absolutely. 
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  • Kev - Coat and Keys
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    Pong was popular once and I doubt America suffered from too many people playing tennis like games.
    Did Mario make people eat mushrooms and stomp turtles?
    As has been pointed out American exceptionalism these days is just attempting to have all the guns (because fear?).
  • my2hands
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    Kev - Coat and Keys said:
    Pong was popular once and I doubt America suffered from too many people playing tennis like games.
    Did Mario make people eat mushrooms and stomp turtles?
    As has been pointed out American exceptionalism these days is just attempting to have all the guns (because fear?).
    I ate mushrooms as a teenager and in my early 20's... but I didn't stomp turtles lol
  • ConorKavanagh
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    The old magic mushroom capsules used to be a great one. I would get such vivid dreams. The Mario film was one I probably should've watched.
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    Kev - Coat and Keys said:
    Pong was popular once and I doubt America suffered from too many people playing tennis like games.
    Did Mario make people eat mushrooms and stomp turtles?
    As has been pointed out American exceptionalism these days is just attempting to have all the guns (because fear?).
    LOL.  Yeah, that Mario is definitely tripping on something.

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  • LongestRoad
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    Kev - Coat and Keys said:
    Pong was popular once and I doubt America suffered from too many people playing tennis like games.
    Did Mario make people eat mushrooms and stomp turtles?
    As has been pointed out American exceptionalism these days is just attempting to have all the guns (because fear?).
    If you don't want to blame violent video games and make light of those games then don't blame guns either. You can't tell me that desensitizing children to all that violence hasn't caused this or at least helped create it. How many people are in the gaming industry that don't want the finger pointing at them so they don't lose billions in revenue.
  • tbergs
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    LongestRoad said:
    Kev - Coat and Keys said:
    Pong was popular once and I doubt America suffered from too many people playing tennis like games.
    Did Mario make people eat mushrooms and stomp turtles?
    As has been pointed out American exceptionalism these days is just attempting to have all the guns (because fear?).
    If you don't want to blame violent video games and make light of those games then don't blame guns either. You can't tell me that desensitizing children to all that violence hasn't caused this or at least helped create it. How many people are in the gaming industry that don't want the finger pointing at them so they don't lose billions in revenue.
    I agree that the video gene industry has capitalized on what the NRA was able to propagate into a huge revenue maker. I'd actually argue that games like Call of Duty help increase gun sales and military enlistment. Where I disagree is that video games cause gun violence.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dankind
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    Why would someone ask a question for which they already have an answer?

    That’s an actual question. I honestly don’t know or understand why someone would do that. 
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  • LongestRoad
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    dankind said:
    Why would someone ask a question for which they already have an answer?

    That’s an actual question. I honestly don’t know or understand why someone would do that. 
    ? Are you meaning my asking why we're not protesting against violence in video games and television? I have an answer. I'm asking everyone else. Is that what you're asking? 

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